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post #3121 of 10036
11/19/08 at 7:31pm
How do you Ultra owners have your Ultra's plugged in? Whenever I get my sub it will be away from my "master" power center and just close to a random outlet. Is there any need to have anything more than a surge protector between the outlet and the Ultra or is that needed at all - aka does the Ultra have built in surge protection? I haven't been able to find the answer on SVS' site.

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post #3122 of 10036
11/19/08 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by Toksin View Post

How do you Ultra owners have your Ultra's plugged in? Whenever I get my sub it will be away from my "master" power center and just close to a random outlet. Is there any need to have anything more than a surge protector between the outlet and the Ultra or is that needed at all - aka does the Ultra have built in surge protection? I haven't been able to find the answer on SVS' site.

Thanks!

There may be some, but I don't know of any subs with built in surge protecters. Good idea to use one though. Especially if you live in a high lightning or power outage area. The outlet you can use will depend on the total load on the circuit. If you blow the CB, you are going to have to move some of the load.
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post #3123 of 10036
11/19/08 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by ransac View Post

There may be some, but I don't know of any subs with built in surge protecters. Good idea to use one though. Especially if you live in a high lightning or power outage area. The outlet you can use will depend on the total load on the circuit. If you blow the CB, you are going to have to move some of the load.

Got it. Thanks. I definitely won't have it on my main HT circuit.
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post #3124 of 10036
11/19/08 at 7:51pm
I just received my 13 ultra earlier in the day. One think I found is that if I turn the gain up all the way I can hear a faint hum. By faint I mean my ear needs to be right in front of the sub to hear it. Is this common on this particular sub? I also tried to set it to auto and still get the hum.
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post #3125 of 10036
11/19/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by Toksin View Post

Got it. Thanks. I definitely won't have it on my main HT circuit.

If you get a ground loop hum, you may have to plug it into the same circuit as the receiver.
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post #3126 of 10036
11/19/08 at 7:55pm
Everything is plugged into the same surge protector.
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post #3127 of 10036
11/19/08 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by cudwortho View Post

I just received my 13 ultra earlier in the day. One think I found is that if I turn the gain up all the way I can hear a faint hum. By faint I mean my ear needs to be right in front of the sub to hear it. Is this common on this particular sub? I also tried to set it to auto and still get the hum.

Turn it down, unplug the cable, then try again. If you get the hum, or not, still turn it back down. Other than to see if you can amplify noise, it serves no useful purpose.
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post #3128 of 10036
11/20/08 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by cudwortho View Post

I just received my 13 ultra earlier in the day. One think I found is that if I turn the gain up all the way I can hear a faint hum. By faint I mean my ear needs to be right in front of the sub to hear it. Is this common on this particular sub? I also tried to set it to auto and still get the hum.

Why would you turn it up all the way ?

I have mine no more than 11:00 on the dial.

Do you get the hum at say 3/4 power ?

I have friends with new AVRs that if they turn the voume to max (nothing playing) you hear a hum but there is no way to listen to anything turned up that high.
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post #3129 of 10036
11/20/08 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by thsmith View Post

Why would you turn it up all the way ?

I have mine no more than 11:00 on the dial.

Do you get the hum at say 3/4 power ?

I have friends with new AVRs that if they turn the voume to max (nothing playing) you hear a hum but there is no way to listen to anything turned up that high.

No it only hums if it's cranked up all the way, I guess it's not a big deal and most subs would do the same.

I did have time to run thru a few calibrations using avia and the radio shack meter. Everything was going fine until I got to the SW phase with filtered pink noise and SW phase warble sweep. The meter bounces around everywhere. I'm not really sure what i need to do in this stage of calibration.
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post #3130 of 10036
11/23/08 at 4:44pm
How long does shipping generally take for the PB13?

My order was placed on Wednesday afternoon and haven't heard about shipping yet.

Possibly delayed due to the launch of the new subs? I figured they were in stock and could ship soon.
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post #3131 of 10036
11/23/08 at 4:47pm
how musical do people find their Ultras ?

I have a PC-Ultra and no matter the settings - whilst amazing for Movies, sounds a bit cumbersone compared to other subs I've owned when it comes to fast basslines in music ?
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post #3132 of 10036
11/23/08 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

how musical do people find their Ultras ?

I have a PC-Ultra and no matter the settings - whilst amazing for Movies, sounds a bit cumbersone compared to other subs I've owned when it comes to fast basslines in music ?

The PB13 is ranked as one of the most musical ported subwoofers in the world. Placement problems??
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post #3133 of 10036
11/23/08 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by chengbin View Post

The PB13 is ranked as one of the most musical ported subwoofers in the world. Placement problems??

LOL at the "world" thing.

but at the same time, right about the placement question
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post #3134 of 10036
11/23/08 at 5:03pm
doesn't seem so bad at lower crossovers - but at 70-80Hz it begins to get a bit slow IMO ? compared to other subs I've owned anyway (BK Monolith, REL Storm etc)


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Originally Posted by ribbit View Post

LOL at the "world" thing.

but at the same time, right about the placement question
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post #3135 of 10036
11/23/08 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

how musical do people find their Ultras ?

I have a PC-Ultra and no matter the settings - whilst amazing for Movies, sounds a bit cumbersone compared to other subs I've owned when it comes to fast basslines in music ?

For music I find my dual PB13s to perform very well. I don't find them to be combersome at all. I'll tell you duals slam like none other! Stereophile gave a favorable review to the pB13, not that that really means too much, but it has gained some recognition as a musical sub. As for being "cumbersome" as you describe, I'd blame that more on EQ, set-up issues.
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post #3136 of 10036
11/23/08 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

doesn't seem so bad at lower crossovers - but at 70-80Hz it begins to get a bit slow IMO ? compared to other subs I've owned anyway (BK Monolith, REL Storm etc)

Something ain't right there. That sub has no problems in that area. It could be placement, phase setting, etc. Also, if it's calibrated too hot, a higher crossover will cause the sound to be boomy. I'd suggest calibrating the sub and measuring the frequency response to see what's going on.
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post #3137 of 10036
11/24/08 at 2:42am
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Originally Posted by croseiv View Post

For music I find my dual PB13s to perform very well. I don't find them to be combersome at all. I'll tell you duals slam like none other! Stereophile gave a favorable review to the pB13, not that that really means too much, but it has gained some recognition as a musical sub. As for being "cumbersome" as you describe, I'd blame that more on EQ, set-up issues.

Did you ever try a single PB13? And if so, how was the upgrade difference to two?

I am VEEEERY happy with my current PB13-ultra, but have grown into a VEEEERY bass happy person, that want MORE.. ...
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post #3138 of 10036
11/24/08 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

how musical do people find their Ultras ?

I have a PC-Ultra and no matter the settings - whilst amazing for Movies, sounds a bit cumbersone compared to other subs I've owned when it comes to fast basslines in music ?

Perhaps I just got lucky with my room but my PB13 sounds absolutely fantastic with music, lots of slam but always tight and never boomy, extremely pleased owner here.
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post #3139 of 10036
11/24/08 at 11:03am
hi all!

been reading through almost all 105 pages of this thread.. lot of experience here.

-needing some advice-

I have a 24x28x8 room, this includes the dining room and kitchen...
If i cut the living room out of those measurments, i have 16x24x8
roughly 5000 ft^3 to fill with bass for the entire room "it's wide open"...

i currently have a klipsch rw-12d.

i also have a set of Klipsch RF-7's, I think some of the problem may be with the high sensitivity of the klipsch rf-7’s and the sub trying to “keep up” at reference level’s.
The rw-12d I don’t think is the answer to the size living room I have.
Don't get me wrong, it performs well in the -60 to -17 range. but push it past -10db and i sometimes scratch my head thinking "did the sub just cut off?"

would i be better off with one ultra 13 or save a few more dollars up and buy two PB12-Plus subs?

i could buy one ultra and save some room for upgrade later down the road. but i could def swing the two plus's into my budget. "after i sell the klipsch rw-12d"

-thanks
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post #3140 of 10036
11/24/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by WudChuK View Post

hi all!

been reading through almost all 105 pages of this thread.. lot of experience here.

-needing some advice-

I have a 24x28x8 room, this includes the dining room and kitchen...
If i cut the living room out of those measurments, i have 16x24x8
roughly 5000 ft^3 to fill with bass for the entire room "it's wide open"...

i currently have a klipsch rw-12d.

i also have a set of Klipsch RF-7's, I think some of the problem may be with the high sensitivity of the klipsch rf-7's and the sub trying to keep up at reference level's.
The rw-12d I don't think is the answer to the size living room I have.
Don't get me wrong, it performs well in the -60 to -17 range. but push it past -10db and i sometimes scratch my head thinking "did the sub just cut off?"

would i be better off with one ultra 13 or save a few more dollars up and buy two PB12-Plus subs?

i could buy one ultra and save some room for upgrade later down the road. but i could def swing the two plus's into my budget. "after i sell the klipsch rw-12d"

-thanks

We haven't seen any real world reviews of the new plus, but it's supposed to have 1 or 2dbs more output here or there in it's FR than the previous rev. Based on that you should get more output from dual +s. SQ is an unknown as yet. Prior to this release, I would have unconditionally recommended a single Ultra, but now I just don't know. 5000 cube is borderline for a dual Ultra recommendation, too. A single can handle it, but duals would be much better.
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post #3141 of 10036
11/24/08 at 1:27pm
For those Ultra owners that have and use a Velodyne SMS, did you install the software upgrade that lets you remove the 15Hz subsonic filter? I have recently ordered another Ultra and am wondering if the upgrade is worth it. On a side note, when I was running twin Ultras I had to cut at least 6db from 50Hz down to get my curve close to flat.
Thanx for your thoughts
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post #3142 of 10036
11/24/08 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by ravingndrooling View Post

For those Ultra owners that have and use a Velodyne SMS, did you install the software upgrade that lets you remove the 15Hz subsonic filter? I have recently ordered another Ultra and am wondering if the upgrade is worth it. On a side note, when I was running twin Ultras I had to cut at least 6db from 50Hz down to get my curve close to flat.
Thanx for your thoughts

I think you certainly want to do the SMS upgrade. Not only does it fix the rolloff problems, but it also fixes a distortion problem if the input level is a bit high. I can't say how it actually affects the sound. The one I bought already had the new software.
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post #3143 of 10036
11/27/08 at 5:48am
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WudChuK wrote

I have a 24x28x8 room, this includes the dining room and kitchen...
If i cut the living room out of those measurments, i have 16x24x8
roughly 5000 ft^3 to fill with bass for the entire room "it's wide open"...

i currently have a klipsch rw-12d.

i also have a set of Klipsch RF-7's, I think some of the problem may be with the high sensitivity of the klipsch rf-7’s and the sub trying to “keep up” at reference level’s.
The rw-12d I don’t think is the answer to the size living room I have.
Don't get me wrong, it performs well in the -60 to -17 range. but push it past -10db and i sometimes scratch my head thinking "did the sub just cut off?"

would i be better off with one ultra 13 or save a few more dollars up and buy two PB12-Plus subs?

I have the same size room and front speakers as you Chuk.
I also have a Klipsch sub that is just gathering dust as I have no inclination to add it in for extra slam factor. The one Ultra is just fine after I dialed it in properly.

But if you want, try the Ultra with your Klipsch sub although I don't think you will need it or want after a proper set up of your new Ultra.

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To markabuckley who wrote,
how musical do people find their Ultras ?

I have a PC-Ultra and no matter the settings - whilst amazing for Movies, sounds a bit cumbersone compared to other subs I've owned when it comes to fast basslines in music ?



I too had this experience when I first purchased the Ultra if you read my first impressions http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2478

But after proper tuning there is no comparison to the previous subs.
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post #3144 of 10036
11/29/08 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

how musical do people find their Ultras ?

I have a PC-Ultra and no matter the settings - whilst amazing for Movies, sounds a bit cumbersone compared to other subs I've owned when it comes to fast basslines in music ?

It is awsome with music. This sub excels at mid-bass. The key it the integration with the mains. You may want to cross over the sub at a higher or lower level than you have in the past. You may also want to play with the phase via the distance setting in your reciever.

There is a program call Room EQ Wizard that lets you do bass sweeps and tweak the heck out of your set-up. I have an older receiver where everything is manual, so that program is key to me.

Does your reciever do any kind of auto-set-up? What receiver do you have?
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post #3145 of 10036
11/29/08 at 8:43am
Where you can tell it is great with music is during movies like Wall-E. The musical score in that movie sounded great with the PB-13. The bass doesn't overpower you, but still manages to fill the room and disappear when it is not there anymore.

I find it to be a very "musical" sub in that sense. I don't jam to CD's or my iPod downstairs in the theater.
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post #3146 of 10036
11/29/08 at 7:29pm
Looking for an opinion from current SVS owners. I'm considering the PC13-Ultra (cylinder version) to pair up with my JL F113. The JL is placed up front with the mains and I'm thinking of installing the SVS as a second sub in the rear corner of the room setup for LFE only. Any thoughts or opinions?
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post #3147 of 10036
11/30/08 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Looking for an opinion from current SVS owners. I'm considering the PC13-Ultra (cylinder version) to pair up with my JL F113. The JL is placed up front with the mains and I'm thinking of installing the SVS anda second sub in the rear corner of the room setup for LFE. Any thoughts or opinions?

While it's not impossible to do, it is tricker to get two very dissimilar to work well together. If you do it, I think you do have the right idea about how to best utilize each sub. The JL can be hooked up to the L&R fronts using the stereo inputs and the PC13 can do the LFE. Each sub is thus given a different chore to do according to it's strong suits.
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post #3148 of 10036
11/30/08 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

While it's not impossible to do, it is tricker to get two very dissimilar to work well together. If you do it, I think you do have the right idea about how to best utilize each sub. The JL can be hooked up to the L&R fronts using the stereo inputs and the PC13 can do the LFE. Each sub is thus given a different chore to do according to it's strong suits.

That's kind of what I had in mind. My preamp has two sub outs. I would continue to use the JL up front with the mains and the SVS on sub out 2 handling LFE. However, will the cylinder type sub give me the punch I need?
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post #3149 of 10036
11/30/08 at 5:32am
There isn't a whole lot of difference between the PB13 and the PC13. The PB13 has a slight advantage in the deepest bass area due to a larger enclosure, but the overall sound should be just about the same.
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post #3150 of 10036
12/1/08 at 3:02pm
I want to put in my request for SVS to offer a deal on the PC-13 Ultra during this holiday month.
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