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post #8311 of 10037
11/22/10 at 12:26pm
some times weak/defective cables may cause pop-up problems. maybe.
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post #8312 of 10037
11/22/10 at 1:29pm
Would that explain the buzz I get from the right low level input jack but not the left?

When I moved my sub, I actually ran another cable to the new sub location and left the cable I had been using in place, since I'm planning on getting a 2nd sub to offset a null I have in the room. So I think I can rule out cables being the problem, since I'm getting the same pops with the new cable as well. That said, both of them were from the same manufacturer (Monoprice), so perhaps that brand just isn't up to the task? I'd have to run a different company's cable to confirm, but since I'm getting really bad buzz from one input jack (clearly something wrong going on there) and I was told that it seems like I have a bad EQ board, I'm thinking that the probability is low that the cables are the root problem.
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post #8313 of 10037
11/22/10 at 2:56pm
It would be simple enough to check if it's the cable, but I don't think it is. Practically every cable and interconnect in my system is from Monoprice, so I wouldn't think their "no name brand" cabling would be the cause.

Have you called SVS yet? They can probably give you an immediate answer and a path to go down to rule things out if not.
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post #8314 of 10037
11/22/10 at 3:22pm
Nope - I should do that. I'll do that later today or tomorrow.
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post #8315 of 10037
11/22/10 at 4:32pm
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Nope - I should do that. I'll do that later today or tomorrow.

Just wondering if you have observed the cone movement during popping. Mine never pops but by visual estimate the cone has never exceeded 3/8 inch(one way) which is well within the drivers limit.
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post #8316 of 10037
11/22/10 at 4:55pm
No, I haven't. I'm always watching the screen when it happens, and I'm afraid of hurting the sub to keep reproducing it. I'll give it a try next time it happens. I recently picked up The Hulk on Blu-Ray. I expect lots of popping on that one.
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post #8317 of 10037
11/22/10 at 5:12pm
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No, I haven't. I'm always watching the screen when it happens, and I'm afraid of hurting the sub to keep reproducing it. I'll give it a try next time it happens. I recently picked up The Hulk on Blu-Ray. I expect lots of popping on that one.

I did "pop" the 8" drivers in my main speakers (no damage) but it was definitely due to over excursion. So If I were you I would reduce the gain a little. To pop the ultra driver I would think HUGE travel. I did read a report that mentioned the ultra driver x-max is 1" (2"p/p), another review says 3"p/p. SVS does not give any info about its limits.
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post #8318 of 10037
11/23/10 at 5:36am
i had replaced cable of my sub and the buzz was gone! if the new cable doesnt solve the problem then as you said maybe you have some complications with equalizer or sub. better to contact svs.
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post #8319 of 10037
11/23/10 at 8:39am
Thanks, everyone. I sent an e-mail to SVS. I'll keep everyone posted.
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post #8320 of 10037
11/23/10 at 4:15pm
Ok,

So after doing some listening, I'm not sure what is going on. My Logitech Z-5500 sub is stomping all over my PC13-Ultra when playing music. I specifically got 2 bass cds for listening: Bass 305 and Bass Mekanik. I have more on that subject, but that goes beyond this thread.

Listening to tv via Direct TV, or watching movies is fine. In some cases the bass is way more than I'd expect. It's when I play a cd that the bass, well attenuates is the best word I can describe it with. It starts off good, but when I increase the volume the bass output lowers on its own after a few seconds.

What could be the culprit? Could it be Audussey level matching? I tried hitting the pure audio button on my receiver, but turning it up after that was too loud in the main channels and still lacking a bit on the bass.

Gear:
Onkyo TX-NR 5007
Oppo BDP-83
PC13-Ultra --- phase 0, gain 12 o'clock, crossover 120 Hz, crossover off, rca hi pass off, room comp off, subsonic filter 20 Hz, parametric eq all CCW, xlr hi pass off.
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post #8321 of 10037
11/23/10 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by vipervick View Post
Ok,

So after doing some listening, I'm not sure what is going on. My Logitech Z-5500 sub is stomping all over my PC13-Ultra when playing music. I specifically got 2 bass cds for listening: Bass 305 and Bass Mekanik. I have more on that subject, but that goes beyond this thread.

Listening to tv via Direct TV, or watching movies is fine. In some cases the bass is way more than I'd expect. It's when I play a cd that the bass, well attenuates is the best word I can describe it with. It starts off good, but when I increase the volume the bass output lowers on its own after a few seconds.

What could be the culprit? Could it be Audussey level matching? I tried hitting the pure audio button on my receiver, but turning it up after that was too loud in the main channels and still lacking a bit on the bass.

Gear:
Onkyo TX-NR 5007
Oppo BDP-83
PC13-Ultra --- phase 0, gain 12 o'clock, crossover 120 Hz, crossover off, rca hi pass off, room comp off, subsonic filter 20 Hz, parametric eq all CCW, xlr hi pass off.
Gotta be a set-up problem. My pcu-13 walks all over my (2) 10" paradigm subwoofers.
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post #8322 of 10037
11/24/10 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by vipervick View Post

Ok,

So after doing some listening, I'm not sure what is going on. My Logitech Z-5500 sub is stomping all over my PC13-Ultra when playing music. I specifically got 2 bass cds for listening: Bass 305 and Bass Mekanik. I have more on that subject, but that goes beyond this thread.

Listening to tv via Direct TV, or watching movies is fine. In some cases the bass is way more than I'd expect. It's when I play a cd that the bass, well attenuates is the best word I can describe it with. It starts off good, but when I increase the volume the bass output lowers on its own after a few seconds.

What could be the culprit? Could it be Audussey level matching? I tried hitting the pure audio button on my receiver, but turning it up after that was too loud in the main channels and still lacking a bit on the bass.

Gear:
Onkyo TX-NR 5007
Oppo BDP-83
PC13-Ultra --- phase 0, gain 12 o'clock, crossover 120 Hz, crossover off, rca hi pass off, room comp off, subsonic filter 20 Hz, parametric eq all CCW, xlr hi pass off.


I sort of recognize the same thing. I have a Denon AVR-790 with Audyssey and it seems as I continue to put the volume up the sub does not seem to get any louder or bass level comparable to fronts...
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post #8323 of 10037
11/24/10 at 8:11pm
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I sort of recognize the same thing. I have a Denon AVR-790 with Audyssey and it seems as I continue to put the volume up the sub does not seem to get any louder or bass level comparable to fronts...

Since my Ultra is used in a movie only setup, I really can't offer any advice, other than to say this sounds much more like a connection/receiver setting/setup issue than anything to do with the sub.

EDIT: I'm certainly not doubting your claims (you and the other poster). Just saying it doesn't sound like typical behavior of the rather powerful Ultra.
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post #8324 of 10037
11/24/10 at 9:09pm
Sounds like you guys are describing Audyssey dynamic volume. Translation: its suppose to do that.
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post #8325 of 10037
11/25/10 at 9:50am
I just moved into my semi dedicated room, and not sure where to put my dual PB13 Ultra's?

The first thought was to put one on the wall to the left and the other behind the couch.

The second thought was to put both behind the couch, would you have the drivers face them?

Any other thoughts?



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post #8326 of 10037
11/25/10 at 10:28am
Just an interesting piece of data. If you measured the Ultra13 using the methodology that Hsu used for the new 15H, here's what (per EdM) it measures (this is the BASH platform using Ilkkas numbers tested in 2007).

20hz tune
16hz 110.6db
20hz 117.5db
25hz 121.4db
31.5hz 124.8db
40hz 125.9db
50hz 124.8db
63hz 123.7db
80hz 120.5db

This is 1m outdoors, CEA2010 burst/peak testing. Ilkka used CEA 2010 2M RMS. That adds 6dbs for the additional meter and 3db for the peak.

Pretty impressive...it looks like the new Hsu is about equal +/- a db here or there in the 40-80hz range, but loses quite a bit down low. Plus, we don't know what the Sledge measurements are.

I'm not taking shots at what looks like an excellent product and bargain from Hsu either. It's just that testing methodology should be taken in consideration when comparing subs...and it appears that the tried and true Ultra13 isn't such a bad bargain either.
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post #8327 of 10037
11/25/10 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

I just moved into my semi dedicated room, and not sure where to put my dual PB13 Ultra's?

The first thought was to put one on the wall to the left and the other behind the couch.

The second thought was to put both behind the couch, would you have the drivers face them?

Any other thoughts?

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move your fronts forward and chuck the pb13's behind them? front corner placed should give you earth shattering bass.

or directly behind your couch?

also, on a totally unrelated note. I have a very similar room: large windows on one side, bare wall on the other. you plan on doing any acoustic treatment? if so, what? I'm thinking of panels on one side and think curtain over the windows. thoughts?
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post #8328 of 10037
11/26/10 at 5:46am
guys! any sledge amped ultra's caliberations done? Please post.
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post #8329 of 10037
11/26/10 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by vipervick View Post

Ok,

So after doing some listening, I'm not sure what is going on. My Logitech Z-5500 sub is stomping all over my PC13-Ultra when playing music. I specifically got 2 bass cds for listening: Bass 305 and Bass Mekanik. I have more on that subject, but that goes beyond this thread.

Listening to tv via Direct TV, or watching movies is fine. In some cases the bass is way more than I'd expect. It's when I play a cd that the bass, well attenuates is the best word I can describe it with. It starts off good, but when I increase the volume the bass output lowers on its own after a few seconds.

What could be the culprit? Could it be Audussey level matching? I tried hitting the pure audio button on my receiver, but turning it up after that was too loud in the main channels and still lacking a bit on the bass.

Gear:
Onkyo TX-NR 5007
Oppo BDP-83
PC13-Ultra --- phase 0, gain 12 o'clock, crossover 120 Hz, crossover off, rca hi pass off, room comp off, subsonic filter 20 Hz, parametric eq all CCW, xlr hi pass off.

Dolby Volume -- TURN IT OFF!!!! Good gods, took me forever messing with the receiver. It works wonders for tv, but kills music.
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post #8330 of 10037
11/27/10 at 11:49am
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Dolby Volume -- TURN IT OFF!!!! Good gods, took me forever messing with the receiver. It works wonders for tv, but kills music.

I guess on a Denon receiver thats like turning Dynamic EQ or Dynamic Volume off?
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post #8331 of 10037
11/28/10 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by vipervick View Post

Dolby Volume -- TURN IT OFF!!!! Good gods, took me forever messing with the receiver. It works wonders for tv, but kills music.

Yes where would you turn this off on a Denon reciever like the 4308?
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post #8332 of 10037
11/28/10 at 6:23pm
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I guess on a Denon receiver thats like turning Dynamic EQ or Dynamic Volume off?

Dynamic Volume.
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post #8333 of 10037
11/29/10 at 8:19am
Hey guys I need a little input. I have a PB12-NSD and was planning on getting a second one, but I went to SVS web site and found that they are discontinued. So now Im thinking about get the PB13 Ultra.

So the question is, if I get the EQ1, will the Ultra and the PB12 play nice together? I want the Ultra regardless, but I dont want the PB12 to go to waste. If I had known they were going to discontinue the PB12, I would have maybe done something differant. But since I've got lemons, I am going to try to make some lemonade.
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post #8334 of 10037
11/29/10 at 8:33am
They'll be fine. I have 4 Ultras and 2 Pluses through channel one and two of the EQ respectively as recommended by Doug at SVS. The EQ calibrates each channel individually.
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post #8335 of 10037
11/29/10 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by d_m1010 View Post

They'll be fine. I have 4 Ultras and 2 Pluses through channel one and two of the EQ respectively as recommended by Doug at SVS. The EQ calibrates each channel individually.

Thanks. Im new to this, so I'm not really sure what works and what doesn't. It seems like I read somewhere that you can't mix subs. So I just wanted some reassurance before pulling the trigger. This is ALOT of money for me to drop on a speaker! lol... I wanted the Ultra in the beginning but finances at that time would not permit it.

The PB12 is nice, but it does not give me that warm fuzzy feeling. I hope the Ultra can give me alot more. My room is 14x15 so I think it will fit the bill and then some. But nowhere near the insane setup you have!
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post #8336 of 10037
11/29/10 at 9:08am
Hey no problem, and thank you.

The two separate channels on the EQ are there so you can integrate different subs. Call and talk to the guys at SVS, actually Doug is the EQ expert, and he can enlighten you further. The only thing is that the lesser sub will reach its max before the Ultra, but I suspect you can calibrate to take this into account.
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post #8337 of 10037
11/29/10 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by Rugburn76 View Post

Hey guys I need a little input. I have a PB12-NSD and was planning on getting a second one, but I went to SVS web site and found that they are discontinued. So now Im thinking about get the PB13 Ultra.

So the question is, if I get the EQ1, will the Ultra and the PB12 play nice together? I want the Ultra regardless, but I dont want the PB12 to go to waste. If I had known they were going to discontinue the PB12, I would have maybe done something differant. But since I've got lemons, I am going to try to make some lemonade.

Its always better to have matched subs.

Call SVS up and see if they have a B stock.
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post #8338 of 10037
11/29/10 at 10:25am
I couldn't afford the Ultras when I first bought the Pluses either, but my situation changed and I bought the Ultras immediately 'different subs be damned'. They have integrated very well.
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post #8339 of 10037
11/29/10 at 5:44pm
Well even if the two subs dont play nice together, I think one Ultra will be better than 2 PB12's. I will find out soon enough. I am taking the plung!
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post #8340 of 10037
11/30/10 at 10:08pm
For music only (CD,vinyl) which do you believe to be better, pcu-13 or pbu-13 and why.
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