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post #9541 of 10037
1/25/12 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

That would make two of us who would like to know... Its the only other sub that has me wondering?

I have a Seaton HP and my friend is picking up his Ultra 13 on Fri.
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post #9542 of 10037
1/25/12 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

Ummmmm, by "room correcting software", do you mean Audyssey?




Yeah, I "try" to follow instructions by reading and reading these forums, think I have a good understanding what I am doing, attempt to do it, usually, don't end up "liking" the settings the receiver comes up with, and end up tweaking to my likings anyway, usually w/ the subwoofer a good +10db hot...meaning I have my sub calibrated at 85db, where other speakers are calibrated to 75db.


I'm just a little concerned I've bought a sub out of my knowledge base since you can port it, fine tune it, has a digital display (for what I have no idea).

Sure it'll come with a dummy instruction book!!!!


Thanks for the replies, keep em comin'!!!

Always after running Audyssey you have to add 9db to the sub level and leave the eq on FLAT
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post #9543 of 10037
1/25/12 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post

I have a Seaton HP and my friend is picking up his Ultra 13 on Fri.

Would love to hear your thoughts...
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post #9544 of 10037
1/25/12 at 10:15pm
Hey moto

Give us your synopsis as DenonLover stated and perhaps run some passages in similar movies and give us a nice little opinion of what you heard from the Submersive and the Ultra in such similar passages.

Run each sub at reference and then run them at moderate levels and let us know what your heard.
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post #9545 of 10037
1/26/12 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post


Always after running Audyssey you have to add 9db to the sub level and leave the eq on FLAT

+9dB? Flat? Why?
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post #9546 of 10037
1/26/12 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by breadvan View Post

Could you advise where Ed mentioned about sealing 2 ports and running the sun sealed? I am interested to know the story behind it. Thanks.

i found it in 2 separate posts by him.

1: page 282 Post # 8436
2: page 262 Post # 7854

"running the sun sealed?" should read the sub's filter in sealed mode.
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post #9547 of 10037
1/26/12 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

+9dB? Flat? Why?

I know why the +9db, Ed at SVS told me, and I found too, that Audyssey is calibrating the sub channel WAY to low.

But, where in the AVR do I set the EQ to Flat?
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post #9548 of 10037
1/26/12 at 7:12am
go to Menu-audio adjust-Audyssey settings-multEQ;
there you will find the different Audyssey calibrations. this is for a Marantz, yours might be different.
("flat" acts in the high frequencies, like HT-EQ)
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post #9549 of 10037
1/26/12 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

I know why the +9db, Ed at SVS told me, and I found too, that Audyssey is calibrating the sub channel WAY to low.

But, where in the AVR do I set the EQ to Flat?

+ 9dB ! i'm a bit surprised that this comes from Ed, it's a whole lot, and i think it could damage the sub.
unless you like your bass extremely strong, around + 3dB should give you flat frequency response.
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post #9550 of 10037
1/26/12 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by bass excavator View Post

Hey moto

Give us your synopsis as DenonLover stated and perhaps run some passages in similar movies and give us a nice little opinion of what you heard from the Submersive and the Ultra in such similar passages.

Run each sub at reference and then run them at moderate levels and let us know what your heard.

the svs was my sec. choice so i am very interested to hear the difference, i use a SMS-1 tho with my hp, he would be running his stock, + i still have to figure out how to set the thing up and i`am still learning about mine...
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post #9551 of 10037
1/26/12 at 7:22am
Was that +9 from the audyssey calculated settings or +9 above the other channels?

That may be the mixup.

Probably the best thing to do is to verify what your system is doing with an spl meter.
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post #9552 of 10037
1/26/12 at 7:44am
I don't get it. Audyssey sets my sub slightly low for *my tastes* in music, so I raise the sub 3dB from where Audyssey sets it. This is mostly because I listen to my music pretty quiet (-40 on my Denon's main volume, for most of my music recordings) but I still like to hear and feel a strong-ish bass response.
For blu-ray movies though, the bass is ridiculous-absurd strong at Audyssey's setting and I always wind up using Dynamic Volume (Evening) and rolling the sub down a couple or a few dBs. Audyssey sets my sub at -5.
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post #9553 of 10037
1/26/12 at 8:00am
OK, I'm really confused. My dual PC13's are about 15ft away, symmetrically flanking my front channel. Audyssey sets my AVR trim to 0.0dB (the Sledge is at -20), yet it seems to be the consensus that it should be considerably lower. I have verified that there is no null (via REW) at the measurement position, so what am I doing wrong (or differently)? Currently, I have the LFE trim set at +2dB, and that seems to be better, but still not the impact everyone refers to... Help!
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post #9554 of 10037
1/26/12 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

go to Menu-audio adjust-Audyssey settings-multEQ;
there you will find the different Audyssey calibrations. this is for a Marantz, yours might be different.
("flat" acts in the high frequencies, like HT-EQ)

Ohh, I got my forums mixed up. I have an Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver. I'll have to venture in there and see if there's anywhere I can set it to "flat"
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post #9555 of 10037
1/26/12 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Was that +9 from the audyssey calculated settings or +9 above the other channels?

That may be the mixup.

Probably the best thing to do is to verify what your system is doing with an spl meter.

Here was my dilemma. W/ my Onkyo TX-NR809 reciever, when I run Audyssey, the first thing it does it tells you to turn your sub gain up / down until the level on the screen is at 75db. So I started at -10 on the sub (where Ed told me to start) and went to -20. Then I ran through the full audyssey process.

After Audyssey procedure was done, I pulled out my SPL meter to check the db levels, and all my speaker channels were around 75db's but the sub was a lot lower...so I adjusted the gain on my sub from -20 to -10 (Where Ed orginally told me to set it to begin with) and that brought my sub level to 75db. I then used my AVR trim levels and kicked it up to 80 (I like mine HOT).

When I contacted Ed about this, he said from what he's been hearing more and more from people, that when they run Audyssey, it sets the sub level LOW around 10db.

Hope that helps.
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post #9556 of 10037
1/26/12 at 8:41am
I think when you start changing the levels on the receiver, you in effect take the receiver out of audyssey processing. Check your owners manual and verify this is how yours works.

What may work better is to leave the receiver where Audyssey puts it and then do all your adjusting on the back of the subwoofer and measured with the spl meter.
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post #9557 of 10037
1/26/12 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I think when you start changing the levels on the receiver, you in effect take the receiver out of audyssey processing. Check your owners manual and verify this is how yours works.

What may work better is to leave the receiver where Audyssey puts it and then do all your adjusting on the back of the subwoofer and measured with the spl meter.

mine does not shut down Audyssey when i change sub level in my receiver; if it did, then i think "Audyssey" would disappear from the display on the receiver.
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post #9558 of 10037
1/26/12 at 10:16am
I'll be getting my SubMersive HP in a few days and I'll give my honest non-bias opinion of how it fares with my PC-13 ultra.

When I run Audyssey I turn my Ultra to -22 then run all mic positions (Audyssey sets the receiver trim to 0 after running it) . When I'm done I turn the Ultra to -18 to -16 and then use dynamic EQ to bump the bottom end, I also find Audyssey hurts the bottom end and the so called 'tricking' seems to work....for me anyhow
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post #9559 of 10037
1/26/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

I'll be getting my SubMersive HP in a few days and I'll give my honest non-bias opinion of how it fares with my PC-13 ultra.

When I run Audyssey I turn my Ultra to -22 then run all mic positions (Audyssey sets the receiver trim to 0 after running it) . When I'm done I turn the Ultra to -18 to -16 and then use dynamic EQ to bump the bottom end, I also find Audyssey hurts the bottom end and the so called 'tricking' seems to work....for me anyhow

I never thought of this until you mentioned it, should I turn off Dynamic EQ / VOL before re-running audyssey OR once you start running Audyssey does it automatically shut those down?
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post #9560 of 10037
1/26/12 at 3:19pm
I could be wrong but I think it will ask you after it's done running if you want to use dynamic volume.....not sure though. But this works for me and makes my bottom end sound really good at -16.
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post #9561 of 10037
1/26/12 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Was that +9 from the audyssey calculated settings or +9 above the other channels?

That may be the mixup.

Probably the best thing to do is to verify what your system is doing with an spl meter.

read the audyssey thread, this is a known fault by the auto calculation by audyssey.

if audyssey sets your sub at -10 then add 9 to the sub level only which would give you -1
this would give you the proper setting.

had a marantz sr8002 and this adjustment works, if you read some of the audyssey threads most people will tell you the flat setting is the better one.
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post #9562 of 10037
1/27/12 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post

if audyssey sets your sub at -10 then add 9 to the sub level only which would give you -1
this would give you the proper setting.

When you say add 9, do you do it on the AVR or do you turn your gain/volume knob on the sub and measure w/ a SPL meter?

Reason I ask is because the way I was thinking of calibrating my 2 subs this weekend was going to be as follows:
1. First step of Audyssey is to set gain knob on sub until screen reads 75 db. Ed at SVS told me to do this individually and set each sub to 75 individually w/ the other one off.

2. Run Audyssey w/ both subs on.

3. After running Audyssey, pull out the SPL meter and run test tones and make any adjustments in the AVR to bring both subs together to the desired level.

But, I think I read in one of the many posts that once you run Audyssey, you shouldn't make big adjustments in the AVR, you're making adjustments to the Audyssey settings, you should make the adjustments on the gain/volume on your subs. Is this correct?


Another question, in step one I am doing setting the volume on each sub to 75db. Then when I turn both on, wouldn't that be WAY to much bass, so shouldn't I want to lower the gains after running audyssey otherwise it'd be WAY to much output w/ both set to 75?
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post #9563 of 10037
1/27/12 at 6:04am
In the AVR
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post #9564 of 10037
1/27/12 at 6:27am
Another question I always wondered, does it matter what your AVR volume is set at when you start Audyssey, or are the chirps / test tones not controlled by the volume level on the AVR and are just 1 audio level in itself?

I think it's the latter, but just want to verify.
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post #9565 of 10037
1/27/12 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

When you say add 9, do you do it on the AVR or do you turn your gain/volume knob on the sub and measure w/ a SPL meter?

Reason I ask is because the way I was thinking of calibrating my 2 subs this weekend was going to be as follows:
1. First step of Audyssey is to set gain knob on sub until screen reads 75 db. Ed at SVS told me to do this individually and set each sub to 75 individually w/ the other one off.

2. Run Audyssey w/ both subs on.

3. After running Audyssey, pull out the SPL meter and run test tones and make any adjustments in the AVR to bring both subs together to the desired level.

But, I think I read in one of the many posts that once you run Audyssey, you shouldn't make big adjustments in the AVR, you're making adjustments to the Audyssey settings, you should make the adjustments on the gain/volume on your subs. Is this correct?


Another question, in step one I am doing setting the volume on each sub to 75db. Then when I turn both on, wouldn't that be WAY to much bass, so shouldn't I want to lower the gains after running audyssey otherwise it'd be WAY to much output w/ both set to 75?


do the spl meter chk first, then run audyssey
after go into your avr settings and add 9 to the sub level in the avr menu

or read this
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895
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post #9566 of 10037
1/27/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

I'll be getting my SubMersive HP in a few days and I'll give my honest non-bias opinion of how it fares with my PC-13 ultra.

When I run Audyssey I turn my Ultra to -22 then run all mic positions (Audyssey sets the receiver trim to 0 after running it) . When I'm done I turn the Ultra to -18 to -16 and then use dynamic EQ to bump the bottom end, I also find Audyssey hurts the bottom end and the so called 'tricking' seems to work....for me anyhow

Crabalocker,
I went through the same thing as you a few years ago. I had dual PC-13 Ultra's and dual Submersive Ultras and after a few weeks I sent the Submersives to Audiogon. I am interested in what you think. I thought the HP's were very clean and went lower but couldn't match the output. Please keep in mind that this was my opinion and in my living room which only has room for subs in the two rear corners of the room.

After this progression (6 Months Later) I then upgraded to a single Captivator with the 4000W amp and have not looked back. The Ultra PC's were sent to Audiogon as well. The Captivator is an absolute BEAST! Cleaner and much more powerfull than by PC's. I just put an order in for an Orbit Shifter so we will see what happens.

Good luck in you demo and keep us posted.
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post #9567 of 10037
1/27/12 at 9:13am
carlm9.......uh oh.........I was debating months ago with which one I wanted...the SubMersive or the Captivator? I really do like output so I hope I didn't choose 'unwisely'.

From what I hear or should say...read , the Orbit Shifter is supposed to be LOUD! crazy output.

I know bass is subjective but I really hope I'm not buying a Cap in 6 months. It really kills the old pocket book and not to mention 'THE WIFE'.....especially when she finds out (I never tell her what I'm doing until I'm unpacking, you can guess how that goes over). D'oh!

Now I'm a little anxious/nervous with turning on the SubM HP
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post #9568 of 10037
1/27/12 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post

do the spl meter chk first, then run audyssey
after go into your avr settings and add 9 to the sub level in the avr menu

or read this
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895

Do you have any links about adding 9db to the sub level? This is the first I have heard about it. All I could find is that there was a bug in certain firmware versions in older Marantz receivers that was later fixed. If you don't have a Marantz receiver that was effected by the bug, I don't think you should add 9db to the sub level if you want reference calibration. A 9db boost is huge and could easily overdrive a sub, a sub's input or the SW out when listening at high levels.

-Mike
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post #9569 of 10037
1/27/12 at 9:35am
The Ultra 13 should only have more output than a Submersive right around the tuning point of the Ultra. Above and below that a Submersive should be considerably stronger.
As a matter of fact I believe that comparison was done with the Bash amp on the SVS and the non- HP Submersive amp. The thread I'm recalling is many years ago though so I could be wrong.
I've seen many for from Ultra to Submersive but carl is the first I recall going the other way.
Besides anyone who orders an Orbit Shifter craves so much bass all these others are like Bose bass modules in comparison.
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post #9570 of 10037
1/27/12 at 10:07am
^ I hope so.....The best thing I love about my ultra is that you can feel the slam when watching movies. That 'feeling' of the bass is what drives my addiction, I just hope the SubM delivers!

As you know, junkies are just waiting for their next fix or that perfect 'Mr. Brownstone' I'm hoping mine is a Seaton, an Espresso HP and stops my craving once and for all!
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