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post #9601 of 10036
In my hot spot, playing my best bass material, with my trim level set pretty high, volume level on receiver set close to reference level, I'm hitting 112db. Is this decent or should I be hitting a lot harder? I'm in a roughly 17x17' room. Reading is off my analog radio shack db meter set to C/slow oh and I have one port plug in and is a svs pb13 ultra w/ sledge amp.

Just curious is my placement is decent compared to others or if I'm missing out on a lot of bassssssss.... I don't really have any other placement options though, so I'm just wondering how I'm doing considering limited placement options.
post #9602 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

Well the difference in quality of subs is pretty far at this point. I'm now thinking the SubM smokes the Ultra. If it's the 'sealed' sound giving the increased sound quality over the svs, then I'm all for SEALED!

To be fare with the sealed/ported debate, I think you would probably have to listen to a SubMersive and a Captivator to level the playing field to make a better informed decision.

WoW that was a pretty long winded response to your question

I'm going with ......sealed, for both, movies and music. This sub is really that good!

there's one thing you could do to give you a better idea of the quality differences in between different subs:
take a short recorded passage of your choice, a minute long or so, and play it through the subs only, no other amps/speakers. this way you'll be able to make a judgment without your being influenced by the main speakers' low bass output. just be sure all subs are at the same SPL level.
then, don't forget to write up your impressions here.
post #9603 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

Well the difference in quality of subs is pretty far at this point. I'm now thinking the SubM smokes the Ultra. If it's the 'sealed' sound giving the increased sound quality over the svs, then I'm all for SEALED!

To be fare with the sealed/ported debate, I think you would probably have to listen to a SubMersive and a Captivator to level the playing field to make a better informed decision.

WoW that was a pretty long winded response to your question

I'm going with ......sealed, for both, movies and music. This sub is really that good!

To test your sealed vs ported SQ theory, you could always put the PB13 in sealed tune and listen. From a specs/build quality standpoint, the PB13 driver is pretty much as good as it gets.

The SubM would have a lot more output in sealed mode though.

Always wondered what the pb13 driver could take power wise while in sealed mode and how it would fair say with 2400 watts.
post #9604 of 10036
Would also be useful to see FR at the listening position. I find typically people who say they prefer a sealed sub to a ported sub have rising I room responses as the FR closes in on the tuning point causing it to sound a bit bloated which goes away somewhat with a sealed sub.
post #9605 of 10036
I use the Omnimic to check how everthing is and my SvS was set up pretty good, my Ultra sounded awesome and NEVER sounded boomy just clean and warm. That is why I was really nervous with trying out the SubM but I have to tell you, the SubM is crazy. As for output, this thing is nuts....loud loud loud and my room is pretty large, it easily out outputs the SvS....easily.

I can't say enough good things about this sub. I never heard a Cap and my understanding is that they are in the same league and are the two subs to get....in this price range.

The Ultra is a great sub but the SubM is just better. IMHO
post #9606 of 10036
I am listening to The Eagles Farewell Tour on DVD-A in the background while drinking some vintage Scotch and could not be happier with my PB13. It is giving me so many countless hours of enjoyment. Ported vs Sealed? Not sure...
post #9607 of 10036
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post

Always after running Audyssey you have to add 9db to the sub level and leave the eq on FLAT

You have to be kidding me. I leave my sub where Audessey put it, and only occasional bump it up +3 watching a movie but even then I have to be careful or it gets too bass heavy.
post #9608 of 10036
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I am listening to The Eagles Farewell Tour on DVD-A in the background while drinking some vintage Scotch and could not be happier with my PB13. It is giving me so many countless hours of enjoyment. Ported vs Sealed? Not sure...

I did not know that this was on DVD-A. Where did you buy it from.
post #9609 of 10036
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Originally Posted by sourbeef View Post

You have to be kidding me. I leave my sub where Audessey put it, and only occasional bump it up +3 watching a movie but even then I have to be careful or it gets too bass heavy.

The link he posted seemed to imply people with a specific Marantz model AVRs which had some sort of Audyssey bug had to do this. I sure hope he isn't adding 9db of boost if he doesn't have that bug...
post #9610 of 10036
i think this applied to some Marantz receivers of a few years ago.
mine is a SR5005 and has no problem of this kind.
i just increase the sub level by 3 dB so i get a flat response to my ears.

things like this don't die easily...
post #9611 of 10036
Need help!!! After calibrating, re-calibrating, and re-recalibrating my Speakers / Sub I am tired (and a little quezzy..literally). I have an Onkyo TX-NR809 Receiver, Axiom M60Fronts & QS8 Rears, I just purchased and was adding to my set up a PCUltra13 and I already had a 20-39PCI.

So, after talking w/ Ed at SVS numerous times in email on how to calibrate, he recommended I set the PCI 2-3 db lower than the Ultra since the Ultra is much more powerful. So I did this in the beginning stage of running Audyssey but setting the Ultra VLM on -14 (reading 78 db on screen w/ audyssey mic) and the PCi volume at 9 o'clock (no digital readuot)..when the PCi was my only sub, I had the gain just a tad below 12 O'clock.

I thought I had it dialed in pretty good. I threw in some blu rays to test some scenes out I am familiar with and throught, "perfect". UNTIL, I put in Superman Returns blu ray where this one scene would ALWAYS cause my PCi to bottom out and give off a clank. I was "hoping" that w/ the gain only at 9 O'clock on the PCi and the Ultra running a little hotter than the PCi this scene wouldn't make the PCi do this, but nope..it's still there.

BTW, the scene I am talking about it where Lex in the basement of the house takes a chip of the crystal and drops it into the water and this causes the power outage, and then there's a flash of light in the water and a quick "BOOM". That "BOOM" bottoms out my Pci.

SO, my question, is how to proceed, should I on the Pci gain, lower the gain a little more and increase the Volume on the Ultra and see if that does the trick? If I do this do I "HAVE" to re-run Audyssy. Thought I remember reading on the threads that once you run audyssey, you do not want to touch the gain/vol on the subs because then you're basically over riding audyssey. True?

ANY HELP APPRECIATED!!!

This is causing me so much headache I am tempted to just stick w/ the Ultra sub solo since I am obviously not very good at calibrating two subs together.
post #9612 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Henry Lambert View Post

I did not know that this was on DVD-A. Where did you buy it from.

Its a 2005 concert we bought from the Good Guys before they went out of business. Its one of my favorites! PM me if you would like me to mail it to you to check out in your system if you can;t find it just make sure you mail it back.
post #9613 of 10036
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

Need help!!! After calibrating, re-calibrating, and re-recalibrating my Speakers / Sub I am tired (and a little quezzy..literally). I have an Onkyo TX-NR809 Receiver, Axiom M60Fronts & QS8 Rears, I just purchased and was adding to my set up a PCUltra13 and I already had a 20-39PCI.

So, after talking w/ Ed at SVS numerous times in email on how to calibrate, he recommended I set the PCI 2-3 db lower than the Ultra since the Ultra is much more powerful. So I did this in the beginning stage of running Audyssey but setting the Ultra VLM on -14 (reading 78 db on screen w/ audyssey mic) and the PCi volume at 9 o'clock (no digital readuot)..when the PCi was my only sub, I had the gain just a tad below 12 O'clock.

I thought I had it dialed in pretty good. I threw in some blu rays to test some scenes out I am familiar with and throught, "perfect". UNTIL, I put in Superman Returns blu ray where this one scene would ALWAYS cause my PCi to bottom out and give off a clank. I was "hoping" that w/ the gain only at 9 O'clock on the PCi and the Ultra running a little hotter than the PCi this scene wouldn't make the PCi do this, but nope..it's still there.

BTW, the scene I am talking about it where Lex in the basement of the house takes a chip of the crystal and drops it into the water and this causes the power outage, and then there's a flash of light in the water and a quick "BOOM". That "BOOM" bottoms out my Pci.

SO, my question, is how to proceed, should I on the Pci gain, lower the gain a little more and increase the Volume on the Ultra and see if that does the trick? If I do this do I "HAVE" to re-run Audyssy. Thought I remember reading on the threads that once you run audyssey, you do not want to touch the gain/vol on the subs because then you're basically over riding audyssey. True?

ANY HELP APPRECIATED!!!

This is causing me so much headache I am tempted to just stick w/ the Ultra sub solo since I am obviously not very good at calibrating two subs together.

Calibrating two subs, especially ones with such different capabilities is a pain. Ed would be/is the man, so his advice should of course be front and center. I would advise not to adjust gain(s) on the sub(s) without re-re-rerunning Audyssey though. I know, that sucks.

How do you have your subs placed in the room? One thing I'd try, if possible and if you haven't already, is try the PCI near field and the Ultra far field. This may help to minimize the difference in their respective outputs.

Also, are you level matching or gain matching the subs? If the PCI is level matched to the sub per SPL at the main listening position, that may be why you are running out of steam.

Again, a near-field/far-field arrangement may help this. Or you could try gain matching.

Also, what gain settings are you using in your AVR for the subs? Are you clipping the channel? Try lowering the AVR's gain and upping the subs gains a touch if you are greater than 0DB on the sub out and see if that helps.

Finally, and probably this should have been first, have you measured your room to see if you have any large nulls/peaks? If you are sitting in a null, unless you move the subs and/or listening position, you could be over taxing the sub by trying to combat the null with more output, causing the subs to go into distress.

Hopefully some of this helps. I'd keep talking with SVS, Ed and Jack are great guys with a ton of knowledge.
post #9614 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

Calibrating two subs, especially ones with such different capabilities is a pain. Ed would be/is the man, so his advice should of course be front and center. I would advise not to adjust gain(s) on the sub(s) without re-re-rerunning Audyssey though. I know, that sucks.

How do you have your subs placed in the room? One thing I'd try, if possible and if you haven't already, is try the PCI near field and the Ultra far field. This may help to minimize the difference in their respective outputs.

Also, are you level matching or gain matching the subs? If the PCI is level matched to the sub per SPL at the main listening position, that may be why you are running out of steam.

Again, a near-field/far-field arrangement may help this. Or you could try gain matching.

Also, what gain settings are you using in your AVR for the subs? Are you clipping the channel? Try lowering the AVR's gain and upping the subs gains a touch if you are greater than 0DB on the sub out and see if that helps.

Finally, and probably this should have been first, have you measured your room to see if you have any large nulls/peaks? If you are sitting in a null, unless you move the subs and/or listening position, you could be over taxing the sub by trying to combat the null with more output, causing the subs to go into distress.

Hopefully some of this helps. I'd keep talking with SVS, Ed and Jack are great guys with a ton of knowledge.


My subs are in front corners of the room. I placed my SPL meter / audyssey mic equadistant at the main listening area.

Here are the steps I took.
1. W/ SPL - 1 sub at a time, I calibrated each sub to 75db so the starting points were the same.
2. Then hooked up audyssey mic and ran audyssey and first step there says to calibrate sub to 75db (but audyssey is running at around 80 db on screen where my spl just said 75). So, I remembered ed's advice on running the ultra higher so I turned off the pci and lowered gain so this read 78 db, then turned off ultra and turned on pci, and adjusted gain so that read 75 db)
3. Ran audyssey fully measuring 8 locations all around the main listening point 1.

My settings were as follows
Fronts -6 / -5
Center -7
Rears -4 / - 3
Sub +1 (My gain on my PCi is at 9 O'clock and my volume on the Ultra is at -14).

4. I then pulled out my SPL to see if I was at 75db each, and each speaker was a good 4db lower, so at first I adjusted the speakers upward to read 75 on my spl. And My sub was QUITE lower, so I adjusted that to +8.
(am I "suppose" to do this, or just leave where Audyssey set the limits?)

But then I started listening to movies / scenes I am familiar with and it sounded BOOMY, so I lowered the settings down to where Audyssey set them and it sounded better.

Then I pulled out Superman Returns and the ONE scene I described earlier that ALWAYS gave my PCi fits, still made it bottom out.

SO, that led me here on how to proceed. Am I being to picky w/ that ONE scene making me nuts? I guess logic would tell me to lower the gain on the PCi and up the volume on the Ultra to compensate. But if I lower the gain to much on the PCi, what's the point of even having it run w/ the Ultra?

Can u tell me what you mean by gain or level matching?
post #9615 of 10036
If I'd decide to sell my 8 year old 20-39PCi, what do you think I should ask for it? I paid $599 for it in 2004 and it's only been used for movies 90% of the time. Never been abused from a kid free / smoke free home.
post #9616 of 10036
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

If I'd decide to sell my 8 year old 20-39PCi, what do you think I should ask for it? I paid $599 for it in 2004 and it's only been used for movies 90% of the time. Never been abused from a kid free / smoke free home.

I got $400 for mine. He tried to hand me $350 but I held my ground and he paid the $400. I was surprised it would hold its value so well. Good luck.
post #9617 of 10036
My 3 year old 750 watt Bash amp is still working like day 1 and kicking butt. My sub is back corner located. Gain is set on 9. Audyssey set it to -3 which seems fine. I sometimes add 2 or 3 db to a movie but have to be careful or it is overpowering.
post #9618 of 10036
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I got $400 for mine. He tried to hand me $350 but I held my ground and he paid the $400. I was surprised it would hold its value so well. Good luck.

Was that a PCi or a Plus? I paid $599 for mine in 2004.
post #9619 of 10036
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

Was that a PCi or a Plus? I paid $599 for mine in 2004.

It was the basic PCi and I also paid $599 new. I listed on craigslist. He wanted it so bad and already had the movies he wanted to play in his hand. I knew he would take it for $400. I bought mine about the same year as yours.
post #9620 of 10036
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

It was the basic PCi and I also paid $599 new. I listed on craigslist. He wanted it so bad and already had the movies he wanted to play in his hand. I knew he would take it for $400. I bought mine about the same year as yours.

Sweet, good to know.
post #9621 of 10036
I've got a PB Ultra-13 with black texture exterior and Bash amp that I'd like to put up for sale and have no idea what to ask.

Ebay doesn't show any for sale nor any recent sales. The new beta site for audiogon shows one but not any sales.

I guess once you own this beast you don't want to sell it.

Any suggestions????
post #9622 of 10036
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I've got a PB Ultra-13 with black texture exterior and Bash amp that I'd like to put up for sale and have no idea what to ask.

Ebay doesn't show any for sale nor any recent sales. The new beta site for audiogon shows one but not any sales.

I guess once you own this beast you don't want to sell it.

Any suggestions????

I think the gloss black sells for an asking price of $1200-$1300, but im not sure about the textured black.
post #9623 of 10036
I do not believe they make a textured black anymore. I may be interested I have a textured currently but with a sledge amp. I upgraded amps. Wonder if you put a sledge in there what it would cost.
post #9624 of 10036
I'd like to talk to you about your textured ultra. I'm looking for a match to mine.
post #9625 of 10036
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I've got a PB Ultra-13 with black texture exterior and Bash amp that I'd like to put up for sale and have no idea what to ask.

Ebay doesn't show any for sale nor any recent sales. The new beta site for audiogon shows one but not any sales.

I guess once you own this beast you don't want to sell it.

Any suggestions????

Send it to shanghai. I'll take it :-)
post #9626 of 10036
januza,
No problem...I'll just put it in my carry on luggage on my next trip there.

7channelfreak....Check your PM
post #9627 of 10036
[quote=JimP;21595627]januza,
No problem...I'll just put it in my carry on luggage on my next trip there.



awesome!
post #9628 of 10036
I'm thinking about replacing my Sunfire True Signature sub with a SVS sub. Not sure what sub i should go with. It's for a bedroom that is 14x16. I would like to keep the sub small in size like the Sunfire.

What would you guys pick?
post #9629 of 10036
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I'm thinking about replacing my Sunfire True Signature sub with a SVS sub. Not sure what sub i should go with. It's for a bedroom that is 14x16. I would like to keep the sub small in size like the Sunfire.

What would you guys pick?

The Ultra 13 (the subject of this thread) is a suitable replacement for that unit. It's what I replaced my Sunfire Sigtature with. In that size room, either sub will provide ample bass, but the SVS will be cleaner. The footprint is nearly the same, just the vertical space taken is more with the SVS. I put the SVS right where my Sunfire was in a pretty tight space without issues (see my signature for pictures).
post #9630 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Roger Clark View Post

The Ultra 13 (the subject of this thread) is a suitable replacement for that unit. It's what I replaced my Sunfire Sigtature with. In that size room, either sub will provide ample bass, but the SVS will be cleaner. The footprint is nearly the same, just the vertical space taken is more with the SVS. I put the SVS right where my Sunfire was in a pretty tight space without issues (see my signature for pictures).

That's a really neat setup you've got, especially the room it's in

(Don't you think the PC13-Ultra is a bit much for a CHASLS2's 16x14 room?)
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