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post #1 of 19
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...on URC (consumer series) remotes. I was wondering how easy these are to program? I have heard horror stories about how URC is horrid with helping out end customers on programming their remotes properly but I do not know if this applies to the Consumer side or the Home Theatre Master (installer/retailer) side.

I know that they will probably not be as user friendly as the Harmony remotes but I want to make sure that I can program it with some ease with my limited programming knowledge (I'm a hardware tech not a programmer).

I am looking at the RF20 with the MRF-100B Powerblaster from URC as my RF solution for my Home Theatre setup.

Thanks,
[H]gregnash
post #2 of 19
Try going to the members.harmonyremote.com web site.

You can create a new account even if you do not have a harmony remote and see how the programming interface looks to you.

I have both a harmony 890 and a URC MX-950. I find the harmony software much easier to use, but the software for the MX-950 is much more powerful.

If you purchase any URC remote at this time, it does not come with the necessary programming software. You need to download it from the internet. See remotecentral.com for instructions on how to do this. If I remember correctly, this site also allows you to download the programming manual for many models of URC remotes.
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by BruceS View Post

If you purchase any URC remote at this time, it does not come with the necessary programming software. You need to download it from the internet.

It most certainly does if you buy from an authorized dealer such as surfremotecontrol.com. Yes you have to download it form their website, but it is the full updateable version.

The MX-900/950 are very easy to program. The one nice thing is that once you update the software, you don't have to worry about site issues which Harmony can have. Plus you can do macros with the URC which as of now you can't with the Harmony.

Check out surfremotecontrol.com nad click on the link for better prices and they will send you an email with discount codes.
post #4 of 19
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Thanks for the responses guys. I am going to be buying this within the next few weeks and I am having a hard time choosing between the RFS200 Bundle (RF20 with base station) which is $89 from surfremote or the MX-600 bundle (MX-600 with rf200 base station) for $125. I would like something that is programmable via computer but I cannot tell from anyone's websites whether the RFS200 is or not.

Can anyone answer this question for me?
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

Thanks for the responses guys. I am going to be buying this within the next few weeks and I am having a hard time choosing between the RFS200 Bundle (RF20 with base station) which is $89 from surfremote or the MX-600 bundle (MX-600 with rf200 base station) for $125. I would like something that is programmable via computer but I cannot tell from anyone's websites whether the RFS200 is or not.

Can anyone answer this question for me?

I am no expert on URC remotes, but from what I have a read you would be better advised to get a Professional line model URC from an authorized dealer such as surfremotecontrol.com. You will pay much less than MSRP and get the software and/or assistance you will need.

http://www.universalremote.com/pro/products.php
http://www.surfremotecontrol.com/

Try and hook up with Mike SRC, who is a member here. He could probably advise you on which model best suits your needs and/or budget (remember to ignore MSRP ... URC or Harmony remotes often sell for about 60% of MSRP on amazon.com).

P.S. I do NOT think the RFS200 is programmable via PC, so it's quite possibly a PITA to set up.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

Thanks for the responses guys. I am going to be buying this within the next few weeks and I am having a hard time choosing between the RFS200 Bundle (RF20 with base station) which is $89 from surfremote or the MX-600 bundle (MX-600 with rf200 base station) for $125. I would like something that is programmable via computer but I cannot tell from anyone's websites whether the RFS200 is or not.

Can anyone answer this question for me?

Neither of those remotes are PC programmable. PC programmability starts at MX-700 (old model) or MX-850 (current)
post #7 of 19
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Damnit Jim that is not what I wanted to hear!!!! So the only thing that I could do is use it as a learning remote and learn each sequence from one remote. But how do I program a macro into it to say, hit the DVD button.

This macro would then turn the DVD player on, Set the TV to the correct input and then put my AVR to the proper input.
Volume up and down (no matter what I was on) would automatically change the volume on the receiver without having to hit Audio, then change it.
This is ultimately what I want the remote for. Now I thought my in-laws had the MX-600 and I had seen the guy come in and program the remote like this but that was some years ago and they just moved into their new house. The guy that setup their HT sold them on the MX-900! Pretty sick remote from what I have seen but way out of my price range....
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

... But how do I program a macro into it to say, hit the DVD button. ...

http://www.universalremote.com/resou..._PowerPack.pdf

I think the "macros" page is P.14 of the PDF (page 26 of the manual).

You may be able to pick up an MX-900 for $250 or thereabouts. There should be other PC programmable models under the $200 mark, but only someone like Mike at SRC can tell you for sure what to expect. He seems to know everything there is to know about URC and can certainly tell you how to get the cheapest PC compatible model.
post #9 of 19
I just purchased a MX-3000 with a MX-300 RF base station. It came with the software, which I installed and have set up. The software for this unit seems to be great in that you can do anything you want on the touch panel screen - even import your own custom button or graphics.

The amazing part of the setup is that you can go to their data base on devices and find your manufacturer and model number, and then with one click download every command that is on the remote, as well as hidden commands that are not on the remote, but used for maintenance by the techs.

Their user manual describes how to use macros to use "toggle" buttons, such as Power or Input, where you do not have a button for each choice - they have some neat tricks. They also show you how to program the remote to operate two identical devices - such as when you have two Sony DVD players.

What I am looking for now, is a user's group that has taken the time to create custom graphics for the background, buttons, etc. The program looks like it could be fun, especially if you want to get clever with the screens like some folks do with a web page. You can have 255 devices with 255 pages of commands for each.

Just my thoughts.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by dsigrist View Post

I What I am looking for now, is a user's group that has taken the time to create custom graphics for the background, buttons, etc.

www.remotecentral.com

There is a URC section.
post #11 of 19
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Kex thanks for the manual!!! I was looking through there and it looks like I should be able to do what I want but it will just take some time to program the macros in by hand. Looks like I will have to find someone local that sells it and see if they will price match SRC.com as if this gets to complicated I may end up returning it out of frustration.
post #12 of 19
I think CC sell the RFS200 and you can try and check instore availability here:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Unive...oductDetail.do

Or just order it shipped free, and give it back in the store if you need to. It is $130 though, instead of $95-100 at amazon.com (including shipping). If you want to try contacting MikeSRC and haven't found him yet (I have never read one single post with any negative feedback):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=431

Good Luck, and let us know how you get on!
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

I should be able to do what I want but it will just take some time to program the macros in by hand. Looks like I will have to find someone local that sells it and see if they will price match SRC.com as if this gets to complicated I may end up returning it out of frustration.

One thing you might have trouble with the fact that it is not PC programmable is that for some devices you have, you may have difficulty programming in discrete codes. Since the remote can only learn from whatever the original remote can send, if you don't have that function on the original remote, the learning remote can't learn it. This may eventually become the frustration you speak of. For example, it looks like you are looking to get a Sony LCD TV. Looking at the remote that comes with that TV, there are no buttons for INPUT1, INPUT2, and so on that will take you directly to that input selection; it just has an INPUT button that toggles through the various input selections. However, Sony generally has discrete codes for their TV, but just do not put them on the remote (probably to simplify the remote). When you program macros to select the correct input selection based on the device you want to use, discrete codes are very useful (some would say indispensable). With PC programmable remotes, you can get Pronto hex codes or other format of ir signals of functions not on the original remote and add that to the universal remote to add that function; with learning remote, you can't.

There are a few ways to work around that. One way is to program a macro to start with a known state. For example, some TVs might have "ANT" or "TV" button that will always go to the tuner input and then program the correct number of "INPUT" key in the macro to go to the desired input selection. It could work, but I don't think it's very reliable and kind of clunky.

Better way is outlined at an FAQ for MX-500 at surfremote.com. You may find it strange to get another universal remote to program another remote, but many of the One for All remotes have a unique ability to add functions without learning, using what they call advanced codes, as long as there is a built in setup code in the remote that can control the device. You can add the functions you need on the OfA remote and then use that to teach the command to the learning remote. Finding the advanced codes might take a bit of hunting, but there are tools to convert Pronto hex codes to advanced codes. Sony products are easy since someone has already compiled a pretty comprehensive list here. You can even add even more capabilities (like adding new devices not in the built in database of the OfA remote), with a JP1 cable, but that's a whole other topic.

One for All remotes like URC-8820 or URC-8910 are inexpensive ($15-20), and good for this purpose (don't get confused by the "URC" in the model name; it's not the same company as the one that makes MX-600 or RF20). URC-8820 has a fairly large built in database and there's a good chance there's a matching setup code you can use to program in advanced code for your devices. URC-8910 is an older model and doesn't have as large built in database, but it can be upgraded for new devices over the phone by OfA, or by playing WAV files generated with tools at the JP1 site, if you don't want to get the JP1 cable to program using a computer.
post #14 of 19
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Yeah I have been researching the remotes a bit. With my current setup I need to definitely have either an IR loop (like the Hidden IR thing) or an RF remote. I like the URC MX series as they are good remotes and seem to have a lot of capability. I guess what it comes down to is I will have to spend a bit more money to get something that will program to my liking. I currently have an OFA 6131n which is a really good remote but does not allow me to do the things that I want and I hate having to keep my cabinet open when watching something.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

... I guess what it comes down to is I will have to spend a bit more money to get something that will program to my liking. ...

Not if you follow Kupakai's advice: the oneforall URC "Premium" line and a JP-1 cable offer a unique ability to program and control via RF for under $50. Nothing beats that, but there are no soft labels AFIK (you cannot change the button labels next to an LCD screen as you can on a Harmony, for example).
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Kex View Post

Not if you follow Kupakai's advice: the oneforall URC "Premium" line and a JP-1 cable offer a unique ability to program and control via RF for under $50. Nothing beats that, but there are no soft labels AFIK (you cannot change the button labels next to an LCD screen as you can on a Harmony, for example).

Well if I could find a good picture of the URC-8910 I may be more inclined towards that but I have a question. Since I already have and use a OFA6131n could I not just buy the JP1 cable for that one and program it then get the MX-600 or RFS200 that I like and use the 6131n to program it via learning? From what I can tell, the 8910 only shows the code of the specific item you are using on the screen, this is the main thing I do not like about it.

EDIT: I just looked on ebay and a Used MX-800 with MRF-200 base can be had for a measley $35 bucks?! Is this worth it?
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

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EDIT: I just looked on ebay and a Used MX-800 with MRF-200 base can be had for a measley $35 bucks?! Is this worth it?

You will not have access to the software updates if you buy from e-Bay, so you would be on your own if you have any issues. You must buy from an authorized retailer to get any warranty or support.

As for the OFA URC question, I am not sure your current model is JP-1 compatible. You will have to refer to the JP-1 experts: Kupakai and The Robman.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

Since I already have and use a OFA6131n could I not just buy the JP1 cable for that one and program it then get the MX-600 or RFS200 that I like and use the 6131n to program it via learning?

Check the battery compartment of your remote. Does it already have a 6 pin header? A stock URC-6131n normally do not have the JP1 pins (although there are holes for it), and the eeprom on the board. However, those can be soldered on and it will work fine. Since you are a hardware guy, you might want to try it. See this for the procedure. The eeprom pads are tiny, so it's not easy, but I've done it with my bear paws.

Another way to get that done is the tell One for All you need an upgrade for a device not in the built in database and send it to them and they will add the JP1 pins and the eeprom so that they can add the upgrade (actually, I read that they send you a different remote with the parts on it). You have to pay the shipping to them, but I think they pay the shipping back. See this on how to do that.

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Originally Posted by [H]gregnash View Post

From what I can tell, the 8910 only shows the code of the specific item you are using on the screen, this is the main thing I do not like about it.

I think the screen on the 8910 is somewhat useless. It shows the device mode you are in and the time. It is also used for programming the remote. I wish One for All would make a remote that actually uses the screen to add some soft keys like Sony RM-AX1400 (which btw I do have, and would not recommend because the software is a disaster, and more importantly the keys are fatally small and unusable).
post #19 of 19
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Ok well it looks like for nothing more than keeping my sanity I will go back with either the MX-600 or RFS200 bundles. I have all the original remotes for all the devices(thank god they are all Sony for the most part). When is someone like Logitech going to make a mid grade RF capable remote that can be programmed via computer? In my in-laws shoes the $500 plus that they just spend on the new MX900 with programming and everything is not an issue but for me and my fiance, more than $200 is a bit of a stretch for a remote.
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