The "Official" VSX-94TXH Thread...:0) - Page 62

So if your n 80s hair metal type, in internet radio select Genres, Rock, United States, and the 1st listing is 80s hair metal. It is a GREAT station. Im hearing stuff I havent heard in ages and it is commercial free. AWESOME. i am very glad I bought the 94.

Me too except for my 2.0/2.1 problem... need help...

help!?

Somethings to check.

What is your crossover set at? Remember the sub does dual duty possibly:

Handling LFE as dictated by the source (IE: the .1 in say DD)
Handling freqs below that of your crossover setting.

So if your source, say a stereo CD has little information say under 80Hz, and your crossover is at 80Hz, you really want hear your sub at all.

It sounds like music (CDs) is your primary question. Most music does not have a .1 track.

Regarding your PVR, what format is the audio in? And what method do you use to get it to your system?

mapatton, answers are below:

First, thank for taking the time to help me.

What is your crossover set at? 80Hz, Speakers set to LARGE (Using Paradigm M11's that (can) go down to 32Hz

Handling LFE as dictated by the source (IE: the .1 in say DD)
Handling freqs below that of your crossover setting.

So if your source, say a stereo CD has little information say under 80Hz, and your crossover is at 80Hz, you really want hear your sub at all. Understood.

It sounds like music (CDs) is your primary question. Most music does not have a .1 track. Yes but also TV from my HD set top box (Motorola 3216 PVR).

Regarding your PVR, what format is the audio in? And what method do you use to get it to your system? I am using optical and it is set to output set to Advanced, Matrix, Small Compression. As I am writing this, Lynard Skynard is playing on HDNet and it's working fine with the sub and shows <<LFE>>. I haven't changed my setting since I initially wrote in for help... sigh...

I had the same problem. I had to set my speakers to small to get the sub to kick in.

I would say what you are experiencing is little need from the sub for your source. I can think of entire discs where my sub never is needed (remember there is no .1). In addition a digital connection from your PVR will allow for DD, but that doesn;t mean there is info in the .1 of the source.

I say all is fine. What is most important is sound quality. Not knowing what sub you have, I can say you have solid mains, and the sub could possibly not offer the same quality of sound at some of the freqs that either could handle.

Same for me - I got nothing from the sub until I set the main speakers (KEF Q80) to small. I definitely prefer the added tight punch with the subwoofer.

Guys, I'm exhausted DLing manuals, decoding hype, sorting through HDMI obfuscation, and reading Official Threads lol. The Pioneer manual seems to devote very little time to upconversion, so please bear with my looking for verification.

Assuming ALL inputs are 480i S-Video or composite, and NO HDMI connections of any kind, can this receiver be set to:

a) upconvert any chosen Input to 1080i and Output it via its single component Output jackset?

b) If so, can anyone comment on the quality? 480i to 1080i component is the reason I am considering buying a new receiver.

c) Assuming upconversion as above, are 480i signals still available at the other S-Video &/or Composite jacks? (ie, Monitor and "VCR Output")

Assuming the setup above but now adding one 1080i component Input to the mix,

d) Is it passed through to the component Output jackset untouched?

e) Is it downconverted to the "VCR" and Monitor composite/S-Video output jacks?

f) If so, can anyone comment on the quality?

For anyone interested in why I'm avoiding HDMI atm . . . as if HDMI itself is not enough reason lol . . . my 7 year-old A/V system is complicated and . . . my 65" Mitsubishi Diamond 1080i RPTV fits in its custom cabinet, is incredibly bright over a wide viewing angle, and does not reflect the seven 2-story windows that share the room with it. I have not yet found a new TV that meets all these criteria, not even the current Mitsu 65" RPTV . . . with or without rainbows

Current Setup:
Mitsubishi WD65907 1080i
Denon AVR 5803
3 x DirecTV SD DVRs
Oppo DVD
HTPC, Homebuilt
Panasonic DVD/VCR
4 x Modulators for DirecTV, HTPC
8 x Modulators for Security Cameras
Basic Cable + 12 Channels to five 4x3 TVs, 3 PCs
Multi-room stereo speaker system

I was thinking that this had something to do with it (spkrs set to large). I will try playing around with that.

I watched Blade Runner in BD last night. Absolutely amazing sound! No issues with getting the sub to kick in!

Thanks guys!

BR

Make sure you do an audio quality test. As neat as it can be to have you sub working, it is not always the best solution. Just cause you sub is producing the freq, doesn't mean it's higher quality than what your capable mains could do.

You really should investigate your crossover points between main and sub.

Setting your mains to small defeats really the purpose of your tower speakers.

Keep in mind this is all related to freq, not an LFE track noted as .1

I only have an Elite 84, but it allows subwoofer seetings of "NO", "YES", and "PLUS". Using the "PLUS" setting allows LFE with mains set to "LARGE". Does the 94 have a sub "PLUS" setting? If so, try it.

Jim H.

Yes - I just checked the online PDF manual of the 94.
Look on page 48. The subwoofer allows "No", "YES", and "PLUS".
When set to "YES", the subwoofer is used when the mains are set to "SMALL".
When set to "PLUS", the subwoofer is used regardless of main setting.

Hope this solves your issue.

Jim H.

I would test that setting with one's ear.

Depending upon placement, using a Main+Sub (the Plus) setting could actually result in lower bass output, or lesser audio quality of bass due to phase cancellations.

Same issue that one can run into when running multiple subs.

You can test for alternate locations to minimize, eliminate that effect.

Mark, Jim,

Thanks for taking the time. Much appreciated. I did let the MCCAA do it's thing as soon as all was hooked-up. It came up with pretty much the same settings as I would have done manually. So that seems to be okay. As Mark pointed out, I just want LFE for the sake of having it on all the time. My mains produce a huge amount of great quality Bass. That said, my sub is also very good so it's nice to have it kick in when I want it. Jim, thanks for the info from page 48. I'll play around wit it later today once I finish building my projection screen...

BR

Could you 2.0 "problem" be because of the sound mode you are in?

I know that if you listening to a CD via HDMI from a DVD player (like the DV48) AND you are in "Pure Direct" more then sub will not be engaged because the .1 channel is not present in the direct signal. But if you switch modes to "Stereo" then it will use the bass management features of the receiver to route the bass accordingly.

This could explain why DVDs play fine you, because the signal does in fact contain a .1 channel that is routed to your sub.

Does anyone know where I can find images of the 94TXH GUI Interface?

I am also looking for images of the GUI and I've looked all over the internet and pioneer's website. Can someone take pictures and put them on here please?

There is no GUI on this unit, it is a text based dispaly that will show on your TV. It's functional, but it looks like a holdover from Colecovision or Atari.

It's white text on a background with hypens and brakets that represent adjustment scales.

Like this:

1. Option 1
2. Option 2
3. Option 3

[--------|--------]
VOLUME

Edit: I see a manual for it at: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...ctions0807.pdf

Ah, that is true as well
Should have mentioned it as I have a DV48

I was thinking Pong

Tom is correct, but only if you have your mains set to "small." If your mains are set to large, there is no bass to "manage" (redirect to the sub). Don't confuse LFE (the low-level ".1" signal present in some source material) with bass.

Leaving the mains set as large and setting the sub to plus doesn't redirect bass, rather it duplicates the bass. Sometimes this setting can be a bit much, but that is most definitely a personal preference.

Like stereo, the PLIIx mode is another processing mode that does not automatically send bass to the sub if your mains are set to large.

Could someone help me by suggesting the best set up configuration as per my HDMI set up?

Pro930HD (has 2 HDMI inputs)
VSX-94TXH
SA8300HD
HDXA2
PS3

Should I have all HDMI connections going through the receiver and apply all switching through the receiver or should I have everything hooked up to the receiver except for the SA8300HD box instead by having it hooked up to HDMI input #2 of Pro930 media box and run optical for sound from the receiver to the SA8300HD box.

I,m thinking that the best scenario would be having the receiver do all switching, however, some may have an alternate suggestion.

Thanks

My 94 is on the UPS truck and I'll be getting to tomorrow, I can't wait to get it setup and going...

Hi Tom, I agree, in Pure Direct (boy, is it ever clean), the sub is out. In stereo it did not work unless I set up my speakers to small. That's fine though. I also noticed something interesting; when watching TV (like today's NFC game), the LFE's << and >> disappear during commercials (LFE stays on). when the game comes back on, the << and >> to the left and right of the LFE symbol come back on and so does the sub. Very interesting. My HK receiver would simply switch DD modes during commercials. The PIO is better IMO. The more I listen to it, the more I like it. It will look great once I have all my components set up in my Middle Atlantic rack with custom faceplates!

Thanks for all your help!

BR

Congrats! You will love it!

BR

I would have the PIO take care of business for all.

BR

Bubba,

Tested and verifies to be correct. I also agree with you, there is no need to duplicate Bass. My M11's do a great job and that's what I'll let them do.

I was just watching Cars, sound was really incredible!

BR

I just pulled the trigger myself and purchased mine at Magnolia BB on Sat. It wasn't in stock and have to wait until Wed for it to come in. Can't wait to get it hooked up to see what it can do!!! The same day my Toshiba A35 will be in as well!

Im planning on having everything connected via HDMI with my ascend acoustics speaker system.

Congrats Stix!