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post #4561 of 4922
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Originally Posted by Run4Cuvr View Post

Two questions.
1.) Do you still have to ship your receiver off to a dealer for upgrades?
2.) What do the current updates fix / change / enhance?
Thanks,

I called an Authorized dealer on Thursday or Friday. On question 1. They told me a house call is not possible because they need it on the bench to upgrade the firmware. Apparently it is not as simple as them inserting a usb thumb drive and hitting some secret codes. I would have gladly paid an extra hundred for them to come to the house and do it to avoid the unhook, rehookup process.
post #4562 of 4922
The tech had mine done the same day and said they connect it through the RS-232 port and download the upgrades directly from Pioneer's dealer only site. He also siad every now and then a receiver will be wiped clean during an upgrade(not sure why) and need have all the software re-loaded which takes a good bit of time and downloads.
post #4563 of 4922
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

The tech had mine done the same day and said they connect it through the RS-232 port and download the upgrades directly from Pioneer's dealer only site. He also siad every now and then a receiver will be wiped clean during an upgrade(not sure why) and need have all the software re-loaded which takes a good bit of time and downloads.

Yeah, the guy I talked to said that if we schedule it properly I could bring it there and they could do it right away in about an hour and I could bring it back home. He did not mention the software wipe risk

One day turn around is a must for me because no AVR = no sound = no TV watching which would put me on my families hit list. When my plazma was hung I should have had them install the side speakers that came with it for emergencies but I went for the clean plazma only on wall look.
post #4564 of 4922
He said the wipe is the exception not the norm, but it has happened. Not sure how or why it happened though.
post #4565 of 4922
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Originally Posted by ait109 View Post

I don't have a 3D compatible BD player, but today I was able to play 3D games on my PS3 through the 94, to my Mitsu 3D-A1 adapter, to my WD65837 set. Still this might be a useful data point.

I don't know if this will still work when the PS3 gets full 3D BD support, but I did have to fiddle with several scenarios in order to get everything to work.

1) PS3 - 3DA1 - 94 - TV = 3DA1 doesn't recognize that a compatible display is attached.

2) PS3 - 94 - 3DA1 - TV = PS3 doesn't recognize that a 3D TV is connected.

3) PS2 - 3DA1 - TV = everything works. I can configure PS3 to recognize (and remember) that I have a 3DTV.

4) PS3 - 94 -3DA1 - TV second attempt = everything still works. Once the PS3 accepted the fact that the 3DTV was attached, it remembered the setting even after a power cycle.

This indicates that there are some handshaking communications that are blocked by the 94, but the fact that the actual 3D signal was sent through is a positive sign. If it turns out that the 3D BD signal from the PS3 gets blocked as well then I am stuck with either buying a 3D BD player or a new 1.4 receiver.

Ed

Updated my PS3 to the 3D BluRay firmware release. This technique does not work with 3d blu-ray movies. The 3D games still work; but the PS3 hangs when trying to launch 3D blu-ray discs when the receiver is in between.
post #4566 of 4922
Anyone know if main volume operates digital or analog, in particular when using the multichannel analog inputs?

I can't seem to get a straight answer out of Pioneer.
post #4567 of 4922
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

Anyone know if main volume operates digital or analog, in particular when using the multichannel analog inputs?

I can't seem to get a straight answer out of Pioneer.

AFIK, the actual control of the audio level is analog (the dB scale is logarithmic, not linear). However the Volume Control Knob is, likely, controlled by a small servo stepper-motor (which is digitally controlled).

Implimenting an actual digital volume control over a 30 to 40 dB range, in steps of 1 dB (for 8 channels), would be way too expensive (especially for the lower end AVRs, and even for the mid-level AVRs like the -94).
post #4568 of 4922
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

AFIK, the actual control of the audio level is analog (the dB scale is logarithmic, not linear).

That's what I was hoping to hear as I run my turntable and outboard phono stage through the multichannel input (L/R channels only).

Thanks for your help.
post #4569 of 4922
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

AFIK, the actual control of the audio level is analog (the dB scale is logarithmic, not linear). However the Volume Control Knob is, likely, controlled by a small servo stepper-motor (which is digitally controlled).

Implimenting an actual digital volume control over a 30 to 40 dB range, in steps of 1 dB (for 8 channels), would be way too expensive (especially for the lower end AVRs, and even for the mid-level AVRs like the -94).

Finally got a response from Pioneer, though it is disconcerting:

"You did not get any response as to your question since it is not a standard operation of the product. Looking in the service manual it does look like a digital volume control. For further assistance please call product support at 800-421-1404."

Thank You,
Customer Service Representative

So I did call the number, and it turns out I ended up speaking with the same rep. who replied the above by email. He clarified that as he looks at the service manual, all the circuitry around the main volume knob appears to show it to be a digital volume control. Which would suggest I've got analog to digital conversion and possible truncation at lower volumes at work. At that point should I look for an analog preamp with home theater bypass for my turntable and outboard phono stage?
post #4570 of 4922
Jive Turkey -- I got your PM, and just read your post, above. I am not surprised that the "circuitry around the volume control knob looks like it is digital". However, it is what that digital circuit actually does that matters. The output amplifiers are all analog. All of the incoming digital signals are converted to analog before they are sent to the amps. The digitally controlled input switches select which audio signals get sent to the amps, usually through a buffer circuit which isolates the various inputs from each other. This buffer circuit also contains the volume controls for each channel.

Each volume control is one section of an 8-gang logarithmic taper potentiometer (the actual volume controls). The 8-gangs are driven by a small servo motor which is driven by the "digital control" circuit that the "rep." found in the service manual. He just didn't look far enough into the schematic pages (easy to do if he was not a service tech or electrical engineer).

There is another alternative, which requires more parts. That method is to use stacked resistor arrays which provide the correct resistance ratios needed for each "volume" step. The parts count can be reduced, somewhat, by using integrated circuit (IC) resistance array segments. However the resistance ratios have to be fairly precise, and one pair of resistors, per channel, is needed for each volume step. As an example, to go from -30dB to +6dB, in steps of 1dB, requires 36 pairs of resistors per channel. For 8 channels, that means 36 x 2 x 8 = 576 resistors.

If they can buy resistor ICs with 12 resistors per IC, that still means 48 ICs (that was the state of the art 35 years ago). Hopefully, they can cram more than 12 resistance elements into a single IC by now. For every 5dB of added range, 80 more resistors (8 resistance pairs per dB of gain) are needed. The resistors have to handle the maximum signal level that is being input to the volume control circuit. At one time I was toying with the idea of designing my own amp. This method of volume control was interesting, but the number of parts needed (and the cost) was prohibitive, at least on a one-off basis.

I have not seen those schematics, nor do I work for Pioneer. However, my description is the way I would have designed the VSX-94, if I were to use a "digital volume control". Using a simple mechanical connection, would have been significantly cheaper, but not as "elegant". Of the two alternatives I described, the one that has the least cost is the one they used.

The bottom line is that the actual volume controls are not digital. They may be digitally "stepped", but they still are working on an analog signal (in the analog part of the VSX-94THX).
post #4571 of 4922
Thanks Claus. I appreciate the clarifications. No analog to digital to analog conversion going on just to use the volume control.
post #4572 of 4922
I am having a big Halloween party and have a setup question.

After a while, rather than just listen to music people want to shoot pool, have a football game on and listen to music. In the old days we used to do this all the time. Now with the fancy receivers that control all audio and video I can't figure out an easy way without running out buying a Sonos system or something.

I have an LG blu ray that I can stream music from, either a Pandora Halloween mix or my own mix. The problem is both the blu ray player and the DVRs all go to my receiver then to my Pioneer Kuro 150FD from the reciever to the TV.

I guess I could run an HDMI from one of the DVRs direct to the TV that way we could have TV and music. The problem with this is that I would lose all on screen music information and control of the blu ray music feed, it would not be a simple task to switch to the blu ray and switch songs or anything like that.

Any ideas on how I could make this work for the party by switching a few settings and swapping a few input output cables?
post #4573 of 4922
I think I found a somewhat easy solution. I just realized my TV has 4 HDMI inputs. So I should be able to run one of the DVRs direct to the TV and switch inputs on the TV depending if I want to watch the DVR (for a football game less sound) or the LG music screen. With some figuring and manual reading perhaps I could even get a PIP swap thing going on the TV.

This gets me thinking long term. Does this receiver have multiple HDMI outputs? Instead of all HDMIs going to the receiver and one HDMI from the receiver to the TV. Maybe, there is something I could do with sending two different HDMI outs from the receiver that are sending different content to the TV. For example:

HDMI out 1 could be DVR 1, Xbox
HDMI out 2 could be DVR 2, bd-player

This would allow for all kinds of PIP options at the TV.
post #4574 of 4922
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

Jive Turkey --
The bottom line is that the actual volume controls are not digital. They may be digitally "stepped", but they still are working on an analog signal (in the analog part of the VSX-94THX).

Let me ask your further opinion on this topic please. I use the L/R/sub inputs of the multichannel inputs on the 94, fed by my outboard phono stage and Outlaw ICBM analog crossover, for a 2.1 analog turntable setup. Prior to bringing in outboard Preamps (with Home Theater Bypass), should I expect any improvement in sound over hooked up as mentioned with the receiver?

The line of thought is I don't know what all the signal does or does not run through just to get to the volume knob on the 94 via the multichannel analog inputs, and then output to an outboard amp.

11/10/10 Update: I just ordered a factory refurbished Parasound 2100 preamp, so I'll see about the difference shortly
post #4575 of 4922
Does anyone know the headphone sections performance spec's? I'm trying to determine if I need a seperste headphone amp for the headphones I'm buying - thanks.
post #4576 of 4922
I just unhooked my whole ht, I wont get into the details of why, but now when I plugged in my receiver, everythign works just fine, but the red standby light when the receiver is off is no longer on! Anyone know why?
post #4577 of 4922
Are you sure you previously had a red standby light? I ask because I have the '92' which is virtually the same receiver and I have never had a standby light. The light in the middle of the power button is blue when on, but when off no lights anywhere!
post #4578 of 4922
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Originally Posted by rjardine View Post

Are you sure you previously had a red standby light? I ask because I have the '92' which is virtually the same receiver and I have never had a standby light. The light in the middle of the power button is blue when on, but when off no lights anywhere!

Lol, yep I was just going to correct my post. I have no idea what I was thinking! My tv has a little red light, the ps3 does, for whatever reason I just thought the receiver did too.
post #4579 of 4922
I have the 94 and can not get ANY HDMI signal to pass through the receiver. I have the audio from hdmi, but I have tried hooking oup my Samsung DLP tv which was a first generation 1080p, and I could never get it to work. It wasnt that big of a deal as I just used the HDMI for the audio and I also used component for the video.

Well now I am about to set up a projector and I need hdmi to work. I can run my BD directly into my TV using HDMI and I get video, I can run the BD player directly into the projector and I get video. But as soon as I run them into the Pionner, I get no video. Just the old searching for signal.

The pioneer HDMI red light, lights up and I am gettin gthe audio, so it is obviously receiving the signal. but NO DAMN VIDEO.

Is there anything in the setup or any other button that needs to be pushed top get video to pass? I would assume any HDMI signal that goes into the receiver would also pass through the HDMI out.

I am a few dasy away from taking this damn thin out of my system and taking it to a repair service to get it looked at, but was hoping someone here would be able to help me figure it out before I do so.

Any thoughts??
post #4580 of 4922
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Originally Posted by hoopsrgreat View Post

I have the 94 and can not get ANY HDMI signal to pass through the receiver. I have the audio from hdmi, but I have tried hooking oup my Samsung DLP tv which was a first generation 1080p, and I could never get it to work. It wasnt that big of a deal as I just used the HDMI for the audio and I also used component for the video.

Well now I am about to set up a projector and I need hdmi to work. I can run my BD directly into my TV using HDMI and I get video, I can run the BD player directly into the projector and I get video. But as soon as I run them into the Pionner, I get no video. Just the old searching for signal.

The pioneer HDMI red light, lights up and I am gettin gthe audio, so it is obviously receiving the signal. but NO DAMN VIDEO.

Is there anything in the setup or any other button that needs to be pushed top get video to pass? I would assume any HDMI signal that goes into the receiver would also pass through the HDMI out.

I am a few dasy away from taking this damn thin out of my system and taking it to a repair service to get it looked at, but was hoping someone here would be able to help me figure it out before I do so.

Any thoughts??

Assuming there is no settings error, did you try the basics like a different HDMI cable and different HDMI ports on your receiver? If so, and no luck, time for a service check. It would have been wise to address this issue when you first bought it and maybe have gotten a quick exchange.
post #4581 of 4922
Had I not bought it from an individual for about 600 bucks less than the list price....... I just might have done that)

Cables all work when going direct from source and skipping the Pioneer. And all settings are good.

Probably going in on Tuesday for service..... get firmware update while im at it.
post #4582 of 4922
I am having problems with my 94. Does anyone know how to do a complete factory reset on the unit?
Thanks.
Michael
post #4583 of 4922
Page 75 , user manual:

Resetting the system

Use this procedure to reset all the receiver’s settings to
the factory default. Use the front panel controls to do this.

1 Switch the receiver into standby.
2 While holding down the SETUP button on the front
panel, press STANDBY/ON.
The display shows RESET NO.
3 Press the ENTER button on the front panel.
4 Select RESET using the arrows, then press the ENTER
button on the front panel.
The display shows RESET? OK.
5 Press ENTER to confirm.
OK appears in the display to indicate that the receiver
has been reset to the factory default settings.
• Note that all settings will be saved, even if the
receiver is unplugged.
post #4584 of 4922
Thanks Slimoli for that help. Does anyone have a copy of the service manual? The reset above wont clear the problem.
post #4585 of 4922
Anyone here add an outboard amp to the 94 and see drastic improvements. I am considering doing this, but am hesitant. I am running stand mount speakers (Era Design D5) in a 5.1 setup. Although they are pretty inefficient (86dB), they are 8 ohm and I cross them over at 80hz to the sub. Also, my room is pretty small and I usually only listen to about -10dB below reference and never head north of that to reference level. In general, I have heard that the 94 has some pretty powerful amps, but in the end it is still a receiver.

Any thoughts would be great.
post #4586 of 4922
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Originally Posted by Redskin View Post

Anyone here add an outboard amp to the 94 and see drastic improvements. I am considering doing this, but am hesitant. I am running stand mount speakers (Era Design D5) in a 5.1 setup. Although they are pretty inefficient (86dB), they are 8 ohm and I cross them over at 80hz to the sub. Also, my room is pretty small and I usually only listen to about -10dB below reference and never head north of that to reference level. In general, I have heard that the 94 has some pretty powerful amps, but in the end it is still a receiver.

Any thoughts would be great.

I added an ATI 1800 amp to my pioneer and the difference is night and day.
post #4587 of 4922
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskin View Post

Anyone here add an outboard amp to the 94 and see drastic improvements. I am considering doing this, but am hesitant. I am running stand mount speakers (Era Design D5) in a 5.1 setup. Although they are pretty inefficient (86dB), they are 8 ohm and I cross them over at 80hz to the sub. Also, my room is pretty small and I usually only listen to about -10dB below reference and never head north of that to reference level. In general, I have heard that the 94 has some pretty powerful amps, but in the end it is still a receiver.

Any thoughts would be great.

I added an amp to my 94 about a year ago. Would have to say, with your room size and listening levels, I don't think you will see much if any differences - in my setup in a medium size room, the only truly noticeable differences occur at or near reference, and mostly in music sources rather than movie. My speakers are more efficient than yours, but also dip below 4 ohms. Xover is the same.

YMMV
post #4588 of 4922
I have had the 94 for a couple of years and have loved it, set up with HDMI cables all around, with a Klipsch 7.1 surround, PS3, on my five year old Pioneer 50" plasma . . . the pioneer is heading to the bedroom after the death of the old CRT there . . . time for a new display in the home theater!

I am thinking about a big 3d TV . . . but . . . does anyone know if the 94 will support 3d TV so I can continie to operate my PS# and 94 surround sound like I have with the old plasma?

This might be a dumb question, but I have heard that I need HDMI 1.4 and that the HDMI 1.3 of the 94 won't support 3D tv and movies and games on my PS3 through the 94. Is that a bogus rumor?

Anyone working a PS3 through a 94 and doing 3D TV successfully?

I just want to buy the right 3d TV large display and keep using my current 94 and PS3 setup.

I sure would like to see the new Gran Turismo 5 played on my PS3 on a new 3D TV with surround through my 94! That is my goal! If it is possible?

Thanks.
post #4589 of 4922
Home 3D did not exist when these receivers came out. I am sure if could upgrade them they would not because they want to sell new receivers.

You can upgrade to the cheaper VSX-1120-K for around $600 or get the new top of the line elite SC-37 for only $1500 or so.
post #4590 of 4922
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post
Home 3D did not exist when these receivers came out. I am sure if could upgrade them they would not because they want to sell new receivers.

You can upgrade to the cheaper VSX-1120-K for around $600 or get the new top of the line elite SC-37 for only $1500 or so.
Like I said . . . love my 94 and have no desire to replace it . . . can justify the 3D TV, but the wife would never let me get the 3D big screen and replace my 2-year-old 94 . . .

Was just hoping the awesome 94 would work with a 3D TV . . . has anybody tried it? Have you got it to work? Is there a workaround solution (cables, switchers, etc.)? Does anybody know for sure?

So, if the new 3D TV won't work with my 94, I will just get a new 2D for the home theater.

But does anybody know for sure?
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