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post #4741 of 4921
9/17/11 at 6:19pm
With DTS HD Master 6.1 audio on the Bluray "The Phantom Menace", I didn't hear squat out of the back surround speakers, and I spent a fair amount of time with my ear up by the rear surrounds during a bunch of scenes. The 94 shows surround back lit up on the front panel, all the back surround settings I find in the manual are set right as far as I know, and I do get surround back output proper when running the test tones in the 94 setup menu.

I kinda think the 94 applies Prologic to get the back surrounds, which maybe doesn't work with DTS. Unless the back surround signal on a Bluray is a discreet channel like the rest, then I wouldn't think it'd be an issue.

BTW, I'm running a 7.1 system and the DTS 7.1 Bluray of "The Haunting in Conneticut" has output from both back surrounds (as well as the side surrounds, of course).

Defective disc maybe?
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post #4742 of 4921
9/18/11 at 5:13pm
Can someone give me a brief tutorial on how to get into my music folders with the 94txh over the network? All that shows up on the screen is my PC and then the public music folder with the sample music on the PC. I've enabled sharing on other folders but there doesn't seem to be any way to navigate down to them. Appreciate any help. All my music is in the User folder under my name in My Music, and some is on an external drive. Am using Windows 7
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post #4743 of 4921
9/21/11 at 7:36pm
According to Lucasfilm and Fox, the audio dropouts and other issues with the Star Wars Blu-ray set are hardware-related. Meaning, players and/or A/V receivers.

I don't expect Pioneer to offer me another complimentary firmware update when I just had one done in January. For that matter, I have to wonder if Pioneer will even bother offering another 94TXH firmware update again.

This DSP bullish!t is a royal pain in the ass. If I ever buy a new A/V receiver you can be DAMN sure I'll buy a model with firmware that can be upgraded by the user.

Mark
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post #4744 of 4921
9/22/11 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

With DTS HD Master 6.1 audio on the Bluray "The Phantom Menace", I didn't hear squat out of the back surround speakers, and I spent a fair amount of time with my ear up by the rear surrounds during a bunch of scenes. The 94 shows surround back lit up on the front panel, all the back surround settings I find in the manual are set right as far as I know, and I do get surround back output proper when running the test tones in the 94 setup menu.

I kinda think the 94 applies Prologic to get the back surrounds, which maybe doesn't work with DTS. Unless the back surround signal on a Bluray is a discreet channel like the rest, then I wouldn't think it'd be an issue.

BTW, I'm running a 7.1 system and the DTS 7.1 Bluray of "The Haunting in Conneticut" has output from both back surrounds (as well as the side surrounds, of course).

Defective disc maybe?

Not sure who's to blame but the Lord of the Rings trilogy on Blu-ray are all DTS-HD MA 6.1 and they work fine with lots of sounds out of the back center speaker on the 92 & 94. Sounds like Star Wars doesn't work on Denon and Pioneers though. A while back Pioneer had a problem with certain 7.1 movies with the little 7.1 lights not working even though 7.1 worked fine on the receiver.

Sounds like Star Wars is flagged a little differently than other DTS-HD MA 6.1 BDs and Pioneer and Denon aren't aware of it. Lucas won't re-issue the disc so Pioneer and Denon will probably offer a firmware update in the future.

The firmware upgrades are free for the life of the receiver so it will be a pain in the rear to send it in, but at least it won't cost anything when the firmware is released.

As for me Lucas has already milked enough money from me over the past bazillion years from different versions of SW so I'm opting out.

Edit: check out this thread/poll. Apparently it's not just Denon and Pioneer receivers that are having problems with SW. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...eferrerid=3969
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post #4745 of 4921
9/22/11 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post


Edit: check out this thread/poll. Apparently it's not just Denon and Pioneer receivers that are having problems with SW. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...eferrerid=3969

Yeah...I've been all over the two Star Wars threads. Oppo has tested and confirmed some of their players not able to decipher the surround back channel from whatever gibberish has been put on these discs.

My hope is Oppo can come up with a firmware fix, because Pioneer receiver upgrades are nothing but a pain in the ass to have done, logistically speaking.
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post #4746 of 4921
9/22/11 at 10:46am
Are you bitstreaming from the Oppo to the Pioneer?
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post #4747 of 4921
9/24/11 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Are you bitstreaming from the Oppo to the Pioneer?

Yes, but not with Star Wars. I have gotten back surround on TPM and AOTC with LPMC, which are the only two I've watched all the way through so far.

Update: back surround okay with TPM, AOTC, ROTS, and ANH with LPMC, but not with Bitstream.
ROTJ, no back surround either with LPMC or Bitstream (Oppo has confirmed this with the BDP83 player)
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post #4748 of 4921
9/26/11 at 8:57am
I just bought a Samsung 3D blu-ray player C6900 to replace another Samsung blu-ray player. The old one, connected to a Pioneer vsx-94txh receiver through an HDMI, with the blu-ray set a bitstream audiophile would work fine and show DTS-HD on the receiver. Using the same settings, the C6900 would work fine with the introductions, trailers, etc, but as soon at the movie started, the receiver display would go crazy and flash off and on DTS-HD, but no sound output. PCM and bitsteam remix work. I could also connect to the receiver with the 7.1 analog connecter for sound, but I understand that the sound would be worse and not sure if it would output DTS-HD- does anyone know?

Spent several hours with various levels of Samsung support, all of the several techs said that bitstream does not work with HDMI! but only with the analog output, and that the 7.1 analog outputs put out inferior sound. Any help would be appreciated.
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post #4749 of 4921
9/26/11 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

According to Lucasfilm and Fox, the audio dropouts and other issues with the Star Wars Blu-ray set are hardware-related. Meaning, players and/or A/V receivers.

I don't expect Pioneer to offer me another complimentary firmware update when I just had one done in January. For that matter, I have to wonder if Pioneer will even bother offering another 94TXH firmware update again.

This DSP bullish!t is a royal pain in the ass. If I ever buy a new A/V receiver you can be DAMN sure I'll buy a model with firmware that can be upgraded by the user.

Mark

So f=2.012 doesn't do anything to fix the Star Wars, no back surround problem via bitstreaming? I'll have to check my f version tonight, but it was September 2009 when I had mine updated, so I suspect it's not 2.012 being as it appears that one came out a year later.

I did not have the DTS bomb with start to finish playing of either Salt or The Expendables, and haven't checked chapter 16 (skipping to it) on Star Wars IV yet. If I didn't have it on Salt and The Expendables, should I assume that I don't have the DTS Bomb problem?
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post #4750 of 4921
9/26/11 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

I did not had the DTS bomb with start to finish playing of either Salt or The Expendables, and haven't checked chapter 16 (skipping to it) on Star Wars IV yet. If I didn't have it on Salt and The Expendables, should I assume that I don't have the DTS Bomb problem?

Happened during Tangled and Tron for me. Haven't had any problems since updating to 2.012. Still need to pick up Star Wars so I can't comment on that.
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post #4751 of 4921
9/26/11 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by VEXXD View Post

Happened during Tangled and Tron for me. Haven't had any problems since updating to 2.012. Still need to pick up Star Wars so I can't comment on that.

I didn't have the bomb when I played Tron from start to finish. Folks are saying on Star Wars ep. IV it only happens when skipping to Chaper 16.

In the past has the DTS bomb happened when playing TRON, Salt, etc. start to finish, or only if skipping to a chapter on the disc?
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post #4752 of 4921
9/26/11 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by mrdunn View Post

I just bought a Samsung 3D blu-ray player C6900 to replace another Samsung blu-ray player. The old one, connected to a Pioneer vsx-94txh receiver through an HDMI, with the blu-ray set a bitstream audiophile would work fine and show DTS-HD on the receiver. Using the same settings, the C6900 would work fine with the introductions, trailers, etc, but as soon at the movie started, the receiver display would go crazy and flash off and on DTS-HD, but no sound output. PCM and bitsteam remix work. I could also connect to the receiver with the 7.1 analog connecter for sound, but I understand that the sound would be worse and not sure if it would output DTS-HD- does anyone know?

Spent several hours with various levels of Samsung support, all of the several techs said that bitstream does not work with HDMI! but only with the analog output, and that the 7.1 analog outputs put out inferior sound. Any help would be appreciated.

I know Samsung told you the player can't do bitstream(audiphile) over HDMI, but according to the C6900 manual it can. it sounds like you have an HDMI handshake issue between the 94TXH and the C6900.

Have you ever had the 94's firmware updated? There was a firmware release about a year ago that corrected HDMI handshake issues.
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post #4753 of 4921
9/26/11 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

It can't lock on, but if you change the signal source by cycling them, and then back to HDMI or Auto it works so it sounds like an HDMI handshake issue.

What firmware are you running?

To check your firmware do the following.

1) Turn the volume ALL the way down until you see "---" (very important)
2) Flip down the front panel
3) Turn off the receiver
4) Hold the SELECT button and the MULTI/ZONE "on/off" button at the same time.
5) Use the down arrow below the SELECT button to scroll through the version info

I've done all this before....yet today I can't seem to get it to work and show the settings. That is the signal select and the multi/zone on/off buttons on the front panel at the same time, right?
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post #4754 of 4921
9/26/11 at 4:37pm
Sorry I should have said ENTER. Also try holding ENTER first and then pressing on/off. keep holding them both for about 3 seconds and it should come on.
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post #4755 of 4921
9/26/11 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Sorry I should have said ENTER. Also try holding ENTER first and then pressing on/off. keep holding them both for about 3 seconds and it should come on.

Yeah...that's the ticket.

I'm on f=2.07. I checked the "skip to chapter 16" bitstream routine a few times with Episode IV, and I don't get the DTS-Bomb, nor have I heard it when I watched a number of movies mentioned already (or ever actually), so I suspect I'm in the clear for whatever reason. I do get back surround with PCM only on Episode IV.

The Star Wars box set is the first time I've ever had to use PCM out of my Oppo BD83 for any particular reason. It's been bitstream since the first week this player has come out.
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post #4756 of 4921
9/26/11 at 7:15pm
man that's really odd that you don't have the bomb with f2.007. I previously had f2.007 and had the bomb with Salt, The Expendables and Tangled. The only thing that fixed the bomb on mine was getting an upgrade to f2.012.
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post #4757 of 4921
9/26/11 at 8:32pm
Turkey, If you haven't gotten the DTS Bomb with f2.007 then eventually you will. Are you SURE you have your player set to bitstream and not PCM?

Here are the Pioneer DSP firmware revisions (VSX-94TXH and VSX-92TXH) and what they fixed:

VERSION : 2.012
Fixes the following issues.
- Noise is heard when switching the listening mode during play with specific BD titles.
* Golden Compass
* Orphanage
* Semi-Pro
* Dark City
* Harold & Kumar Escape From Guantanamo Bay : Unrated 2 Disc Spacial Edition

VERSION : 2.011
Fixes the following issues.
- FL display indicates incorrectly when switching the audio signal (DTS-HD <-> DTS) of the specific BD title.
(Title : ALIEN VS. PREDATOR)
- The sound breaks when the audio stream is DTS-HD High resolution, 96KHz, 7.1ch, CRC ON
- Dimmer is canceled automatically when playing the specific DVD title (Title: War of the world)

VERSION : 2.010
- Countermeasure for sound breaking of HD-DVD, True HD

VERSION : 2.007
- Countermeasure for sound breaking of DD+

VERSION : 2.004
- 1st release version

Supposedly, Denon is claiming that the same DSP fix that corrected the audio dropout problem with Golden Compass is also the fix for the Star Wars discs. That may or may not be true for Denon but it's definitely not true for my Pioneer VSX-94TXH. I've got DSP 2.012 installed and I definitely hear the audio dropout right after jumping to Chapter 16 on Episode IV (A New Hope). Again, it's an audio dropout, NOT a DTS bomb.

So far, I've not heard any DTS bombs with any of the Star Wars discs nor with any other disc since updating to DSP 2.012. But DTS bombs were very real when I still had DSP 2.004 installed.

Mark
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post #4758 of 4921
9/27/11 at 7:48am
Guys so what's the verdict, does the center back speaker work on the 94 with SW or not? I've read a few different things and can't figure out if it does or doesn't?

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post #4759 of 4921
9/27/11 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by Mark Booth View Post

Turkey, If you haven't gotten the DTS Bomb with f2.007 then eventually you will. Are you SURE you have your player set to bitstream and not PCM?

Yes, as set to bitstream. I've always been bitstream until the Star Wars discs came along. And when testing back and forth on Ep. IV (only played the first few minutes of Chapter 16 ea. time when skipping to it), I made sure whether or not I was in PCM or Bitstream.

I'm curious as to why if I've never heard it before, to include a number of the Blurays mentioned previous, would I at some point now hear it?
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post #4760 of 4921
9/27/11 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Guys so what's the verdict, does the center back speaker work on the 94 with SW or not? I've read a few different things and can't figure out if it does or doesn't?

Thanks

Back surround on episodes I-IV so far have only worked with PCM. Nothing there with bitstream; it gets folded into the side surrounds. I haven't gotten through the rest of the series yet, other than, and has been confirmed by Oppo, that Return of the Jedi does not play back surround either with PCM or Bitstream with their player.
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post #4761 of 4921
9/27/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

I didn't have the bomb when I played Tron from start to finish. Folks are saying on Star Wars ep. IV it only happens when skipping to Chaper 16.

In the past has the DTS bomb happened when playing TRON, Salt, etc. start to finish, or only if skipping to a chapter on the disc?

Can't say I paid really close attention. I'm pretty sure with Tangled it happened while playing start to finish. For Tron, on the other hand, I was likely skipping to specific chapters for demoing purposes.
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post #4762 of 4921
9/27/11 at 3:48pm
For me the DTS bomb would happen on Salt, Tangled, and The Expendables at random times. It never happened when skipping chapters just randomly during the movies. There wasn't any way to judge when it was going to happen. I even tried playing the same scenes over several times after it would happen and couldn't reproduce the problem. It was just a random thing and not on the same scene.

BTW I haven't had it happen since getting the f.2012 firmware upgrade.
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post #4763 of 4921
9/27/11 at 4:28pm
Gotta love this hobby. For the three years or so I've owned my 94TXH, I've always thought the DTS Bomb was A) only on Onkyo and Integra products, and B) a resolved issue.

Star Wars comes out and my ignorance is shattered. Knowing the way things roll in my world, I'll start getting the blasts....often.

Firing off an email to Bestec in LA to see if they'll do me same day service on an update again. I've got family I haven't visited down there in a while.
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post #4764 of 4921
10/17/11 at 1:22pm
[quote=mrdunn;21001320]I just bought a Samsung 3D blu-ray player C6900 to replace another Samsung blu-ray player. The old one, connected to a Pioneer vsx-94txh receiver through an HDMI, with the blu-ray set a bitstream audiophile would work fine and show DTS-HD on the receiver. Using the same settings, the C6900 would work fine with the introductions, trailers, etc, but as soon at the movie started, the receiver display would go crazy and flash off and on DTS-HD, but no sound output. PCM and bitsteam remix work. I could also connect to the receiver with the 7.1 analog connecter for sound, but I understand that the sound would be worse and not sure if it would output DTS-HD- does anyone know?"

I tried another samsung c6900 and it also didn't work, but did work at the store with a different Pioneer receiver, so I guess they are incompatible.
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post #4765 of 4921
10/31/11 at 11:46am
Has anyone with updated firmware watched Transformers: Dark of the Moon? My firmware is way out of date and I got tons of popping on 7.1 TrueHD w/ my bdp-95fd player.

Update:
I called Pioneer and it looks like there is a new firmware which was release about a week ago due to this issue.

Thanks,
Staudie
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post #4766 of 4921
10/31/11 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Staudie View Post

Has anyone with updated firmware watched Transformers: Dark of the Moon? My firmware is way out of date and I got tons of popping on 7.1 TrueHD w/ my bdp-95fd player.

Update:
I call Pioneer and it looks like there is a new firmware which was release about a week ago due to this issue.

Thanks,
Staudie

Any ideas if that new update cures the problems on Star Wars...in particular the no back surround with bitstream?
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post #4767 of 4921
10/31/11 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Staudie View Post

Has anyone with updated firmware watched Transformers: Dark of the Moon? My firmware is way out of date and I got tons of popping on 7.1 TrueHD w/ my bdp-95fd player.

Update:
I called Pioneer and it looks like there is a new firmware which was release about a week ago due to this issue.

Thanks,
Staudie

Hi Staudie, can you tell us which firmware number you are talking about? As far as I know the 1st DSP Flash: F2.012 was the latest update and fixed the DTS bomb issue. I would like to know because I haven't hooked up my 94 yet after getting the F2.012 update because of home renovations. If this new update is only a week old then I would like to get new one also before rehooking everything.

Edit: Hi Staudie again, were you talking about the 92/94 firmware or were you talking about the BDP-95FD firmware?

Thanks

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post #4768 of 4921
10/31/11 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Hi Staudie, can you tell us which firmware number you are talking about? As far as I know the 1st DSP Flash: F2.012 was the latest update and fixed the DTS bomb issue. I would like to know because I haven't hooked up my 94 yet after getting the F2.012 update because of home renovations. If this new update is only a week old then I would like to get new one also before rehooking everything.

Edit: Hi Staudie again, were you talking about the 92/94 firmware or were you talking about the BDP-95FD firmware?

Thanks

Ed

The update is for the 92/94...I asked for a version number but he didn’t know. He did say that they have been receiving a lot of calls about the problem. I’m going to call again tomorrow; also I will call a service center and see if they know. I’ve had my unit in twice for an update and each time they only do a partial upgrade so I still running F2.004.

~Staudie
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post #4769 of 4921
11/5/11 at 10:54am
^^^ Hi Saudie. Any updates on the firmware version number they are installing?

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11/6/11 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

^^^ Hi Saudie. Any updates on the firmware version number they are installing?

Thanks

No updates are of yet... Pioneer service was only able to tell me there is a fix in place. Im debateing on doing the update or picking up an SC-55 so I never have to ship the receiver out for an update.

I did find the information below on a different wedsite:

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Audio drop-outs/glitches on Star Wars Complete Saga Blu-ray set?

While viewing the new "Star Wars: The Complete Saga" set on Blu-ray Disc, I noticed some audio glitches in a few places, that occurred only on certain A/V receivers. Specifically, some high frequency "hash" during the opening scene to "Star Wars: A New Hope" (does not always reproduce) and some additional glitches in the stream at 36:55 into the same film. There may be other issues but these ones were obvious and the second one is consistently reproducible.

At 36:55 into Star Wars: Episode IV (end of chapter 15/beginning of chapter 16), during the transition between scenes, as the Star Destroyer approaches the Death Star, I heard a quick boost in volume, followed by a brief audio drop-out. Other users have reported persistent audio drop-outs in "Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones" on certain hardware as well. This may be related.

Upon testing multiple brand players (OPPO, Sony, Panasonic), it does not appear to be a player problem. The problem only occurs with certain receivers, when streaming the DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 track over HDMI using the player's BITSTREAM output option.

As a work-around, switching the Blu-ray players to PCM decoding seems to eliminate the problem. In this situation, the player decodes the DTS-HD MA track to multi-channel PCM and the receivers do not seem to have any problem with the decoded PCM track. The audio glitch does not occur on all hardware, and we are investigating to see if we can identify the culprit. It is unclear at this point whether this is a software problem (a problem in the stream itself), or a hardware problem with select DTS-HD Master Audio decoders.

Please post here your hardware (player and receiver) and let us know if you are seeing similar audio problems on this boxed set or even if you are not! Chapter/time details and film title would be helpful for reproduction purposes.

It seems that the DTS-HD Master Audio stream is causing problems in some decoders but we don't have any details as to why. Our writer Chris Chiarella did not experience this problem as he viewed the set on a Sony PS3 set to internally decode the DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack to PCM. This delivers the full uncompressed PCM multi-channel soundtrack to the receiver. But others with a PS3 "slim" (which does offer bitstreaming of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA soundtracks) have reported hearing the problem on certain receivers.

Also, Chris tested two other players (Samsung and Sony) and was not able to reproduce the problem on his Onkyo receiver

Player/receiver details:

RECEIVERS and PRE/PROs which exhibit the "bad behavior:"
•Pioneer VSX-91TX, VSX-92TXH, VSX-94TXH, SC-09 (fix available from Pioneer, see UPDATE from PIONEER below for details)
•Yamaha Aventage RX-A2000 (may be fixed with newer firmware)
•Denon models: AVR2808, AVR3310, AVR889, AVR1909, AVR890, AVR990, AVR4810CI (fix available from Denon - see UPDATE FROM DENON below for details)

RECEIVERS THAT ARE CONFIRMED TO *NOT* HAVE THIS PROBLEM:*
•Integra DTC-9.8 preamp/processor
•Onkyo TX-SR605, TX-SR606
ONKYO/Integra "DTS Bomb" Resurfaces

*We are hearing from some Onkyo receiver owners that fast forwarding, rewinding or using the Chapters menu to access scenes can lead to the dreaded "DTS Bomb" - a loud noise in all speakers. An issue similar to this was acknowledged and fixed by Onkyo in the x05 and early x06 series of receivers several years ago, but even users who have applied that DSP fix are reporting this problem. Affected receivers may include the TX-SR705, TX-SR805, TX-SR806, TX-NR3008 and other models in the x05, x06 and x07 lines.

A potential reproduction of the DTS-HD "bomb" issue on Onkyo receivers follows, although I tested this on a TX-SR605 receiver and on an Integra DTC-9.8 pre/pro both with factory base level firmware and was not able to get it to fail:

* Access the "Search... Scenes" menu on "Star Wars: Episode IV (A New Hope)", select "Millenium Falcon" scene, hit OK (make sure your volume is very LOW when doing this test - damage to speakers/amp is possible if levels are too high).

PLAYER-SPECIFIC PROBLEMS

Although less common than the audio glitches, some player owners are reporting video glitches, stuttering or drop-outs in the video stream on these discs. So far we have heard about these specifically on the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and DMP-BD50, DMP-BD35/DMP-BD55 and the Pioneer BDP-320 (other players may be affected). Panasonic has reproduced the issue and is working on delivering a fix. Affected owners should contact Panasonic support in their local countries to be notified when a fix is available. Owners of OPPO Blu-ray players have also reported a problem where the rear channel is missing (the sixth channel in the 6.1 mix) when setting their players to PCM output mode. OPPO has apparently acknowledged the issue and is working on a fix.

We will keep this first post updated with results/feedback.

Additional information is available in the Star Wars audio thread on AVS Forum.

UPDATE from Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment and LucasFilm, Ltd. (9/21):
Our contacts at Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment and LucasFilm, Ltd. have looked into the issue and have deemed this to be hardware-related. And I quote:

"Should you encounter audio drop outs or an audio playback anomaly within your center surround speaker channel, simply switch your Blu-ray Disc player Audio Output setting from Bitstream to PCM, or consult your AV Receiver manufacturer for further assistance."

UPDATE from DENON (9/22):
Denon has reproduced the issue on an AVR-2308CI. According to Denon, the problem is not actually new as it occurred previously on "The Golden Compass" Blu-ray, which also features a DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 soundtrack. Owners of network-connected AVRs should update their receiver's firmware to the latest release and this should solve the problem. For those receivers without a network connection, you will need to bring or ship your receiver to an authorized Denon service center. Affected customers should call their local Denon service organization to arrange for service (Tel: 201-762-6665 in the US). Those with RS232 ports on their receivers might be interested in reading this thread on avsforum.

UPDATE from PIONEER (10/4)
Pioneer has reproduced and acknowledged the issues and confirmed that this is a known issue with the VSX-91TX, VSX-92TXH, VSX-94TXH and SC-09. They have a firmware update to correct this issue and recommend that affected owners call Pioneer's Contact Center at 800-421-1404 (in the US) for instructions on how to get this update.

UPDATE from PANASONIC (10/7)
Firmware upgrades to improve playability of the "Star Wars" boxed set on specific 2007/2008 model year players will be available on or near the following dates:•DMP-BD30 - 10/17
•DMP-BD35/DMP-BDBD55 - 10/17
•DMP-BD50 - 11/21

-CB

See this link for complete dicussion:
http://forum.bigpicturebigsound.com/...u-ray-set.html

***Update the 94 is going out today for the update... Once I have a firmware version Ill post it.


Staudie
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