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Are TV stations allowed to shut off analog broadcasts before Februrary 2009?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Just a question out of curiosity... is there any FCC rule that prohibits a station from turning off their analog signal before February 17, 2009?

I'm not sure if there's any reason why station would want to shut off their analog broadcasts before the switch-off — besides the fact that running both an analog and digital transmitter costs about twice as much power. It could also help the stations test for how viewers will react (or not) to the switch-off, which brings me to one more question to add more discussion to this topic:

why is it that a large country like the U.S.A. isn't switching off analog gradually, by region/market, as England/UK, Germany and other European countries are doing??
post #2 of 29
The simple answer, yes, they can shut off early. In fact, KCSM, a PBS station in the SF Bay Area did just that a few years back. They did run into a bit of trouble and have a very low power analog transmitter for the extreme local area.

I would think that shutting off gradually is doable except that it forces the public to buy into digital TV at the moment the first station goes digital early even though all the rest are still analog. That would raise all kinds of flags.
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

I would think that shutting off gradually is doable except that it forces the public to buy into digital TV at the moment the first station goes digital early even though all the rest are still analog. That would raise all kinds of flags.

I think the point the OP was trying to make was that other countries - like the UK and Germany - are switching off in a phased region-by-region manner.

In the UK there are distinct TV "regions" (roughly similar for both BBC and ITV) and there is a timetable by which each region switches off their analogue transmissions - with the least populous regions switching off first. All transmitters within that region will cease broadcasting analogue signals by a given time (though AIUI the minority services will be switched off a short-while before the more popular ones - i.e. BBC Two switched off before BBC One)

AIUI the phased switch-off is a function of a number of issues - one being that there aren't an infinite number of transmitter engineers in the UK, and the switch-over requires quite a lot of work in some cases. Also it presumably allows the temporary gear required to burn in the "This broadcast will cease on xx/yy/20zz, broadcasts continue via digital terrestrial" or similar to be shared between regional transmitters?

I imagine one of the most important reasons for switching over in a phased manner is that it allows the telephone helplines that will no doubt be running at switch-over to be effective, and not swamped...
post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by ReplayJanitor View Post

why is it that US, being a large country, isn't switching off analog gradually, by region, like England, Germany and other countries in Europe??

Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are also switching off their analogue services gradually and on a UK-wide timescale... It isn't just England

(But I realise the geography of the UK is complicated...)
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by ReplayJanitor View Post

Just a question out of curiosity... is there any FCC rule that prohibits a station from turning off their analog signal before February 17, 2009?

I wish I could provide a "short" answer, however, FCC is currently examining in their 3rd DTV review proceeding under what "conditions" they may allow stations to discontinue, or offer reduced analog service before Feb 17, 2009. Therefore, and given the complexities of the issue involved, the best answer I can think of is to provide a long quote from the most current FCC document regarding their POV+discussion on the matter ....

Also, regarding the specific example mentioned in Bobby C's post, While it is true on a case by case basis FCC has already allowed a handful of stations to cease their analog operations+continue as digital only - Those have been fairly rare circumstances which I believe are mostly covered in paragraph 39+40 below.

The relevant section of FCC's 3rd DTV review NPRM(Notice of Proposed rulemaking), Section A, paragraph 37~47 follows(footnotes removed) :

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Originally Posted by FCC 3rd DTV Review NPRM View Post


A. Reduction and Termination of Analog Service

37. In this section, we consider the reduction and termination of stations’ analog TV service. Until February 17, 2009, the Commission’s rules require stations to continue operating their existing licensed analog facilities. To best achieve their respective transitions, however, some stations may find it desirable to reduce or terminate their analog operations before the February 17, 2009 transition date. In some cases, stations may need to reduce or end their analog service because such operations may impede construction and operation of post-transition (digital) facilities. Such circumstances may include, but are not limited to: (1) stations that would like to switch their side-mounted digital antenna with their top-mounted analog antenna before the end of the transition; (2) stations that need to add a third antenna to their tower but cannot do so without reducing or ending analog service because the tower cannot support the additional weight; and (3) stations that are terminating analog service early as part of a voluntary band-clearing arrangement. We seek comment on these and other circumstances where stations can facilitate their transitions by reducing or terminating their analog service in advance of the transition deadline.

38. Background. The Commission generally has not favored reductions in television service. Proposals that would result in a loss in TV service have been considered to be prima facie inconsistent with the public interest, and must be supported by a strong showing of countervailing public interest benefits. Consistent with this precedent, the Commission allows stations to reduce their service from that required by their licenses only upon an appropriate public interest showing. Losses in service may be justified, for example, to facilitate the station’s transition to DTV. The Commission is generally most concerned where there is a loss of an area’s only network or NCE TV service, or where the loss results in an area becoming less than well served, i.e., served by fewer than five full-power over-the-air signals. In cases in which a station seeks to reduce analog TV service, it can also use an engineering analysis performed in accordance with the Office of Engineering and Technology’s OET Bulletin No. 69 (“OET 69”) methodology to show that the area where service would be reduced is area that is already terrain shielded such that viewers located in that area do not actually receive the station’s signal over-the-air now.

39. Notwithstanding the strong public interest in maintaining TV service, the Commission does permit the early return of out-of-core (TV channels 52-69) analog channels under certain circumstances in order to facilitate the DTV transition. The Commission established policies to facilitate voluntary “band-clearing” of the 700 MHz bands to allow for the introduction of new public safety and other wireless services and to promote the transition of out-of-core analog TV licensees to DTV service inside the core TV spectrum. Generally speaking, these policies provide that the Commission will approve voluntary agreements between incumbent broadcasters and new licensees to clear the 700 MHz band early if consistent with the public interest. The Commission has approved several such requests to return out-of-core channels in accordance with this band-clearing policy.

40. The Commission’s 700 MHz band-clearing policies differ somewhat depending on whether a station is located on TV channels 59-69, which might affect use of the upper portion of the band, or on TV channels 52-58, which would only affect use of the lower portion of the band. Envisioning the early recovery of TV channels 60-69, the Commission established a “rebuttable presumption” favoring requests for voluntary band-clearing involving channels 59-69. In contrast, the Commission did not anticipate recovery of TV channels 52-59 until after the DTV transition was complete and, as a result, decided to consider requests for voluntary band-clearing involving those channels on a case-by-case basis. In this case-by-case review, the Commission considers whether grant of the request would result in public interest benefits, such as making new or expanded public safety or other wireless services available to consumers, especially in rural or other underserved communities. The Commission weighs these benefits against any likely public interest harms, such as the loss of any of the four stations with the largest audience share in the designated market area, the loss of the sole service licensed to the local community, the loss of a community’s sole service on a channel reserved for NCE TV broadcast service, or a negative effect on the pace of the DTV transition in the market.

41. Discussion. In light of the hard deadline for the cessation of analog TV service, we believe the most significant public interest objective should be to ensure that stations meet the transition deadline. The original statutory provision requiring the termination of analog broadcasts established December 31, 2006 as the last day for analog operations, but allowed that deadline to be postponed if an 85 percent DTV reception benchmark was not reached in a given market. The Commission’s goal under this former approach was to increase DTV operations as quickly as possible without causing significant analog service loss. We believe, however, that Congress’ adoption of the hard deadline of February 17, 2009, now weighs in favor of an increasing tolerance for the loss of analog service as we near the switch-over date and where it will facilitate the transition.

42. Stations with Out-of-Core Analog Channels. As noted above, stations that might affect the upper 700 MHz band (i.e., TV channels 59-69) can receive a “rebuttable presumption” favoring their requests to terminate analog service. We believe the disparate band-clearing treatment with respect to stations in the lower 700 MHz band (i.e., TV channels 52-58) is no longer appropriate. The hard deadline applies equally to both portions of the 700 MHz band. In addition, Congress has mandated that the Commission begin the auction of recovered analog broadcast spectrum in the 700 MHz band no later than January 28, 2008. Accordingly, we propose to apply the same “rebuttable presumption” standard to voluntary agreements for clearing TV channels 52-58 as now applies to such agreements for clearing TV channels 59-69. Moreover, we propose to apply the relaxed “rebuttable presumption” to out-of-core stations seeking to reduce rather than terminate their analog service. Requests to reduce or terminate analog service would be made in accordance with the Commission’s rules. We seek comment on our proposed treatment of out-of-core stations seeking to reduce or terminate their analog service.

43. Stations with In-Core Analog Channels. In contrast to out-of-core stations’ return of their analog channels, in-core stations’ requests to reduce and terminate analog service have been less favored to this point. We believe it may now be appropriate to examine the circumstances under which we will allow in-core stations to reduce or discontinue analog TV broadcasting. We seek comment on the factors and circumstances we should consider when evaluating in-core stations’ requests to reduce or terminate their analog TV service before the February 17, 2009 transition date. We invite comment on ways to ensure that stations meet the statutory transition deadline, while still minimizing the loss of TV service to consumers. If we permit early reduction or termination of analog service, how do we ensure that the public continues to have access to news and information, including emergency and other public safety information during the transition?


44. First, with respect to a station requesting to reduce its analog service – short of terminating its analog broadcasting, we seek comment on whether we should establish a presumption that any reduction in a station’s analog TV service is in the public interest if:
(1) the proposed reduction is directly related to the construction and operation of post-transition facilities and would ensure that the station or another station can meet the deadline;

(2) the proposed reduction in analog service is less than five percent of either the station’s service area or its population served;

(3) the proposed reduction does not cause the loss of an area’s only top-four network or NCE TV service;

(4) the proposed reduction does not result in an unreasonable reduction in the number of services available in that area;

(5) the broadcast station proposing the reduction is able to deliver its signal to cable and satellite providers so that the reduced analog signal does not prevent cable and satellite carriage; and

(6) the broadcast station proposing the reduction commits to on-air consumer education about the station’s transition and how to continue viewing the station.

We seek comment on the usefulness and timing of this proposal, including whether there are other factors or situations where we should presume that a reduction in service would be, or would not be, in the public interest. For example, should we consider the level of cable and satellite penetration in the areas that will lose over-the-air service? We also seek comment on whether and, if so, how these factors should be relaxed as we approach the DTV transition date. As noted above, requests to reduce analog service would be made in accordance with the Commission’s rules.

45. If a station is unable to qualify for the above proposed presumption, we propose to consider the station’s request to reduce analog TV service (on an in-core channel) on a case-by-case basis. We invite comment on the appropriate showing and balancing of factors to consider in such a case-by-case analysis. As above, we seek comment on whether we should permit an increasing amount of analog TV service loss the closer we get to the end of the transition. What information must stations provide to demonstrate that reduced analog service would be in the public interest? We would expect that our case-by-case analysis would involve consideration of the factors discussed above. For example, we believe that broadcasters must be able to deliver their signals to cable and satellite providers so that reduced analog signals do not prevent cable and satellite carriage. In addition, we believe that broadcasters must also commit to on-air consumer education about the station’s transition and how to continue viewing the station. We seek comment on these proposals.

46. Some broadcasters have side-mounted antennas and similar problems that prevent them from completing the build-out of their digital facilities while they are still operating their full analog facilities. Such stations, if they are providing DTV service to 100 percent of their replication area, may want to wait until February 17, 2009 to move their digital antenna into its final position. This approach may be acceptable provided there is a minimal disruption of service after the deadline due to post-deadline construction activities. We seek comment on this approach and urge each station operating under these circumstances to consider how much of their replicated area is served by their side-mounted digital antenna. It is critically important that analog over-the-air viewers who obtain the necessary digital receivers (whether TV sets or D-to-A converters) are able to receive DTV service over-the-air upon expiration of the deadline for the transition on February 17, 2009. If it is necessary for stations to reduce analog service before the transition to be sure all viewers have digital service on and after the transition date, we will consider such requests.

47. With respect to a station requesting to terminate its analog TV service on an in-core channel, we seek comment on whether and, if so, under what conditions we would permit such an action. We would expect to apply a stricter standard to the early termination of analog in-core service than to a reduction in service. We believe our analysis of requests to terminate analog service would at least involve consideration of the relevant factors discussed above for a reduction of service. We seek comment on this proposal, and also on whether we should require a station requesting termination of analog in-core service to demonstrate that a reduction in service is an unacceptable alternative. As noted above, requests to terminate in-core analog service would be made in accordance with the Commission’s rules.

The entire 3rd DTV NPRM doument can be downloaded in PDF or Word Doc format under the 5/18/07 Date at following URL :

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/

The comment period for this NPRM was supposed to have ended on 8/15/07, so hopefully sometime in the next several months or so (the 2nd DTV review proceeding lasted about 18 months if I recall correctly) FCC will release order(s) from which we would know more about the outcome of the issues raised in the NPRM ,and the circumsstances in which stations may be allowed to discontinue analog service early ....
post #6 of 29
The short answer to the OP's question is YES, analog stations CAN sign off early. But stations have to apply to the FCC for permission first. They just can't flip the switch and be done with it.

The FCC has allowed about 10 to 15 to sign off early. One was just approved two weeks ago along the West Virginia/Virginia border. The FCC has also denied one station in Los Angeles from signing off early.

All of the stations that have been approved are stations that have no real ratings and use cable as their distribution so turning off the analog transmitter and having the digital transmitter feed the cableco is a wash for the viewers. The Los Angeles station also fell in this same catagory, but because it was in LA, the FCC decided there were more viewers watching OTA than ratings showed.

None of the "big 5 stations" in a market have requested early sign off and I suspect you will not see any of those before the Feb 17, 2009 because the FCC will not allow them to either based on their past actions on the subject.
post #7 of 29
I wonder what the "flash cut" stations are going to do.

I imagine there will be HTP ("hell to pay", I don't know if that's an internet approved acronym yet), if stations switch over and then find out that many Cable headends, satellite POPs, or MATVs can't get them.

I hope that the FCC will allow them to build-out a DTV facility (maybe using their back-up transmitter) a few weeks/months before the 2-17-09 deadline, and try operating Digitally overnight (like the old AM-Radio, midnight to 6AM, "experimental period") a bit, so things can be tested. Or, allow some last-minute leniency on the switchover.

America doesn't have a huge number of good RF engineers, either. They are all gonna be really tired on Wednesday morning, 2-18-09. I don't know why we aren't doing a phased-in switchover, either.
post #8 of 29
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I don't know why we aren't doing a phased-in switchover, either.

That one is easy. The wireless companies don't want to wait any longer and a phased-in transition could be like the NEXTEL ENG transition that will drag out years longer than NEXTEL promised the FCC in the beginning.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

The short answer to the OP's question is YES, analog stations CAN sign off early. But stations have to apply to the FCC for permission first. They just can't flip the switch and be done with it.

The FCC has allowed about 10 to 15 to sign off early. One was just approved two weeks ago along the West Virginia/Virginia border. The FCC has also denied one station in Los Angeles from signing off early.

Where can this information be found online? I am curious as to which station along the WV/VA border that is.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

The short answer to the OP's question is YES, analog stations CAN sign off early.

Funny, If I were to have given a "short" answer, it probably would have been something like : NO, most analog stations will probably not be allowed to sign off early ...

Both of our answers are accurate, which is why I provided the "long" info from the Horse's mouth, earlier .....
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by LMUBill View Post

Where can this information be found online? I am curious as to which station along the WV/VA border that is.

I don't know about that one, but you might be interested in this one as well (Concerns WLJC, Beattyville, KY - We won't be seeing their analog on 65 again, which was knocked off air Last fall, their digital is on 7), FCC grants their request to cease analog broadcasting in this document :

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-07-3284A1.pdf

Update:

Hmm, went to the wljc website , and other than "WLJC DT 7" at the top right of page, I can't find a single mention of the analog station being off air, about their digital station or the digital transistion or, as is noted in the FCC document at link above that they are providing DTV receivers to their OTA viewers who need them to do so ..... Plenty of mention about how to get them on cable or satellite and internet streaming, however ....
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by LMUBill View Post

Where can this information be found online? I am curious as to which station along the WV/VA border that is.

It was WLJC I was thinking of. They are a part of a LMA network that asked for all of their stations to cease analog broadcasting. They just went through a long issue with the FCC to get their main studios changed on one of their stations so they didn't have to have an office in the city of license. That is the only reason why I even know of them.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Nitewatchman View Post

Funny, If I were to have given a "short" answer, it probably would have been something like : NO, most analog stations will probably not be allowed to sign off early ...

You just stated what will happen, I just stated what is suppose to happen!
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

None of the "big 5 stations" in a market have requested early sign off and I suspect you will not see any of those before the Feb 17, 2009 because the FCC will not allow them to either based on their past actions on the subject.

There is one I know of first hand. KPXJ channel 21 Minden/Shreveport LA the UPN (now CW) affiliate in Septeber 2005 flash cut to digital (it had no second channel for digital).
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

It was WLJC I was thinking of.

In another document(the one at first link I provide below) FCC apparently made the mistake of referring to WLJC-DT on channel 49(WLJC-DT is on 7 from Central KY) as operating from Grundy, Virginia as the digital counterpart to WLFG 68, Grundy VA, when it is "really" WLFG-DT 49/WLFG analog 68 !

Anyway There *is* another one down in that area which has asked, but I don't think FCC is on record of making a decision yet :

On 3/16/07, Religious station WLFG, Grundy, VA analog 68/Digital 49 asked FCC to shut down analog early - Here's the FCC document regarding the request :


http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-07-1319A1.pdf


There are some articles scattered about regarding some of the stations which have applied for, or have been granted or denied permission to cease analog transmission+operate digital only .. Here's one regarding a denial for KJLA to shut down analog :

http://www.tvtechnology.com/dlrf/sho...month=2&week=7

And here's one regarding allowing WNVT in Virginia to shut down analog several years ago :

http://tvantenna.com/news/wnvt.html

But, noticing the documents as they showed up in FCC's daily digest all have "cease analog broadcasting" in the titile, the only way I can find to get a sort of "list" of them is by doing the following :

Go here :

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...ges/edocs.html

In the "Title/Description" Box - Input these exact words "cease analog broadcasting"

A list of 21 entries should pop up with links to the relevant documents in *.txt, *PDF, and Doc formats ... Some of them are the requests which haven't been acted upon yet, and some of them are the documents granting the OK to cease analog. Doesn't appear to be a "complete" list, as I don't see anything about KCSM, or WNVT, or any of the denials(such as KJLA's) listed here, and I don't think the pre-transistion flash cut approvals will show up here either.

I do know WSKY in NC is another one that is flash cutting(sort of) before analog shut off(as you say in later post they can do that at any time), although I think I'd read both the analog+digital are off air currently ... The analog went down in late 2006, and the tower for the new digital collapsed in March before the DT plant was up and running ... They are a channel 4 singleton, but will be moving to 9 post transistion ...(they recently filed comments for 3rd DTV review proceeding+if I read it right, they seem to want FCC to allow them to stay on channel 4 temporarily post-transistion, before moving to 9 ...)
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by haley-SEA View Post

There is one I know of first hand. KPXJ channel 21 Minden/Shreveport LA the UPN (now CW) affiliate in Septeber 2005 flash cut to digital (it had no second channel for digital).

I was referring to stations with second channels. The current rules state that stations without second channels can flash cut when they want to, as long as they have a Construction Permit to do it, which I think most do at this point.
post #17 of 29
The New Hampshire Public Television's translator in Hanover was knocked out by a storm in march and they decided just start broadcasting on digital (which was assigned on a different channel) and ditching the analog.
post #18 of 29
I was just curious because I have some relatives who retired to the area around Tazewell, VA and wanted to make sure it wasn't a station they watch regularly.

As for WLFG, I get their broadcast via WAGV in Harlan and they have everything stretched to 16x9. Doesn't look very good. And I wonder why they even say Grundy when their studios are 40 miles away in Abingdon and the tower is just north of Abingdon?
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by LMUBill View Post

And I wonder why they even say Grundy when their studios are 40 miles away in Abingdon and the tower is just north of Abingdon?

The station is licensed to Grundy so it has to be in the legal id. This was the station Harvest went to the FCC asking for a waiver to have the main studio be out of the city grade coverage (turning it into a defacto satellite station without calling it that). After showing financial hardship, the FCC finally agreed. They then went back asking to turn off the analogs.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by LMUBill View Post

As for WLFG, I get their broadcast via WAGV in Harlan and they have everything stretched to 16x9. Doesn't look very good.

Yeah, I first logged WLFG-DT via tropo on 8/25/03, and I've seen the analog as well on 68, and my notes say the digital was "stretching" 4x3 to 16x9 back then as well (or in other, perhaps better words not "squeezing in" sidebars) .. dunno why they don't just use 480i 4x3 format ... They've been doing that for THAT long, yikes ....


Saw 44 harlan(analog) just last night and on several occasions the past week or so along with several other stations down that way(WSBN 47+with a local off air occasionally last week, WUNF 33 Ashville/etc), at least that isn't distorted for now .... No luck with WAGV-DT here yet as I have a strong local on 51 ...

Note: BTW, I had incorrectly typed "WFLG" in earlier post, seems FCC are not the only ones who sometimes can't keep callsigns straight

Edit/update: Just for heck of it as I know Foxeng likes looking at these, Attached is crappy screenshot(digital camera) of my WLFG-DT DX tropo reception(228 miles) from 2003 ... I am able to "fix" their stretch by applying a "squeeze" with my STB, or letting the display do it by sending it to a 4x3 display(which I think was the case here judging by the pic) ..
LL
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for contributing. Maybe we can use this thread to keep track of stations switch off analog early.

There's a situation here in Hawaii that might call for an early flash cut, but it looks unlikely given the FCC's stance. Every station in Honolulu has a digital channel up and running. That covers about 70% of the state (market) population. Then there is an antenna farm on another island, Maui, broadcasting only analog that covers about 15 or 20% of the viewers. The thing is, that antenna farm has to move because it's next to a telescope, causing a lot of interference that interrupts research. They already have a new site selected, but of course the stations would rather build the new antenna farm to be digital only. I thought they might be able to switch analog off early at the telescope site, especially with Hawaii having the highest rate of cable subscription in the country. It would be all the stations covering that area, so it looks like a no-no from the FCC is all they'd get.
post #22 of 29
I had heard that after Katrina they had seriously considered letting the New Orleans stations go digital only.
post #23 of 29
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I had heard that after Katrina they had seriously considered letting the New Orleans stations go digital only.

I know it has been discussed on this forum, but with what those folks have been through, the last thing they needed was for the Feds to say, "Oh, by the way, you're all going to need new TV sets if you want to keep watching the local news -- and you won't have until 2009 like the rest of the country."

Also keep in mind, the hurricane hit in 2005. The tuner mandate had not fully kicked in yet, which means most of the smaller sets in the stores -- and all of the VCRs and DVD recorders -- would've still had just the analog tuners.
post #24 of 29
As I understand it, The tuner mandate was never going to apply to sets under 13" but Katrina caused the Government to realise that in the event of an emergency, everyone would be using small sets for information and adjusted the tuner mandate accordingly to include almost everything with a tuner.
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Originally Posted by zaphod7501 View Post

As I understand it, The tuner mandate was never going to apply to sets under 13" but Katrina caused the Government to realise that in the event of an emergency, everyone would be using small sets for information and adjusted the tuner mandate accordingly to include almost everything with a tuner.

That is correct, although back in 2002 it was to apply to VCRs and similar devices if they had an analog tuner.

However, at the time of Katrina the tuner mandate covered only sets larger than 36" and half of sets from 25" to 36", and it wasn't supposed to apply to 13"+ sets until July 1 of THIS year before that deadline was moved up and expanded. Meanwhile, I doubt DT OTA converters were any more inexpensive or readily available in N.O. than they were anywhere else.

But the point remains the same: those who still had working TVs after the storm had enough things to worry about without a special analog cutoff just for the Gulf, especially when you consider where the tuner phase-in was at the time.
post #26 of 29
If the "subsidized" converters had been available, it would have been easy enough to just hand them out in N.O.

That might have been a good "real-world" test of how well they work, and how the distribution system can function.
post #27 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kenglish View Post

If the "subsidized" converters had been available, it would have been easy enough to just hand them out in N.O.

That might have been a good "real-world" test of how well they work, and how the distribution system can function.

They could've had those converters out for cheap back then if a powerful (expensive) chip to downconvert HDTV wasn't necessary. I don't mean to anger the anti-multicast crowd here, but perhaps cutting to all digital in N.O. would've been possible if stations simulcast an SD version of their programming, maybe at 3 Mbps in a subchannel. That way SDTV receivers using inexpensive chips (the kind already in millions of DVD players) could be handed out and give people access to the programming.

I think they should still try to do a real world test in one or two mid-to-small size TV markets in 2008, using HDTV signals, when the cheap converters are out. Maybe even do it exactly a year before the nationwide switch-off.
post #28 of 29
Agree with the posters advocating some sort of early shut off "test" in certian markets ....

Also, Personally, I like the idea of letting the stations decide if they need/want to shut down early on a case by case basis ... Probably not a good idea for most stations right now, but beginning say, a year from now, if there are viewers who aren't ready for it then -- well, then, perhaps that'll be a good early wakeup call for them

And, After all, it's the stations that will probably be the ones getting all the calls. At least at first, maybe later on some folks will start blaming the "gov't" as well ..... Oh wait, if many stations shut down before first Tuesday in Nov that might be a "problem" for some of those folks ........

I do wish I could "trade in" my handheld TV for a ATSC/digital version though. That thing will be worthless post analaog shut off, and I do use it occasionally during power outages/severe weather/etc ... Probably on average happens about one or two times a year for a few hours .... Think I bought the thing in 99 or 2000, so by 2009 I won't quite feel I've gotten my $'s worth out of the thing yet ... Oh well ....
post #29 of 29
Take this to the bank, any station with top ratings in a market will keep analog on until the last second possible whether the FCC leaves it at Feb 17, 2009 for the country or moves to a regional scenario.
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