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post #181 of 5492
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Well that's interesting. Perhaps DRCMode isn't available on 1080p source material. I'll pop my HQV disc in the PS3 when I get home and test it. When testing the TVs deinterlacing capabilities the player must be set to 1080i, so I'll know whether this works or not later. It was a few weeks ago that I did the test so I can't remember if it allowed me to change it in Vivid mode or not.

Brandon

Yes, that's correct, the DRC is not supported for 1080p per the manual, and is greyed out with my PS3 for all picture modes.

Thanks for your testing, Brandon. I've enjoyed and appreciated your comments for quite awhile.

Pete
post #182 of 5492
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Originally Posted by tom_mack View Post

I don't know. I'll call Sony and see if there is something that can be tweaked first. If they say it is normal, I'm not sure what to do. There are problems with all the other options out there...

I think i'm gonna do the same thing, even though there probably isn't shiznit that they can do about it. Tell me what they tell you and ill do the same.
post #183 of 5492
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Originally Posted by tom_mack View Post

edwyun - Can you please post your settings? This is driving me nuts and if there is a solution other than returning the set...

I was using this on the previous XBR4 (the settings on the replacement XBR4 are a bit different and still being tweaked)...
Backlight:3
Picture:84
Brightness:46
Color:52
Hue:0
Color Temp:Neutral
Sharpness:0
Noise Reduction:Off
MPEG NR:Off
DRC Mode:Off
Black Corrector:Off
Advanced C.E.:Off
Gamma:Off
Clear White:Off
Color Space:Std.
Live Color:Off
White Balance:
R - gain:-6
G - gain:-4
B - gain:0
R - bias:-2
G - bias:-2
B - bias:0
post #184 of 5492
Alright everyone, just put the set on Standard, dial back both green settings to -5, put motionflow on Standard, Cinemotion off and call it a day.

edit - I noticed that in Standard the DRC palette settings automatically change when I change between an HD and an SD channel.

edit - It's now Jan 28 2008 and I can't decide if I like Motionflow & Cinemotion or not. I seem to change them for different movies & programs. Standard isn't the worst setting but if you tweak custom you can probably come up with a better result.
post #185 of 5492
Has anyone tried just screwing a a coxial cable from the wall into there tv. the rep from sony style told me when i bougth that if i did it i would get secrcret channels like 30.1 in high def. could this possibly be true? right now i have a comcast cabl hd box, a ps3, and a dvd plugged in via hdmi to my onkyo 705(w/xvycc turned on) then the reciever goes straight into the tv vi hdmi. That sounded very strange to me when she told me that. Is she talking about digitial channels or hi-def. Im just a newbie and got set up a couple days wathing bd's with the ps3(curse of the golden flower, ghost rider and night in museum looked amazing. I have rgb color range on full, supewr white on and the cross color reduction filter set to off. Does the cross colour reduction do anything. Anyone who bought this tv and does not have a blu rayy or hd-dvd with hdmi1.3 deep color is missing the point, one of those is a must and make sure it has the hdmi deep color. ive never been this excited about a consumer product. tomorrow i am going to ttry some of your settings when i play heavenly sword, just got it. thank god for this forum
post #186 of 5492
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Originally Posted by mosman22 View Post

Has anyone tried just screwing a a coxial cable from the wall into there tv. the rep from sony style told me when i bougth that if i did it i would get secrcret channels like 30.1 in high def. could this possibly be true? right now i have a comcast cabl hd box, a ps3, and a dvd plugged in via hdmi to my onkyo 705(w/xvycc turned on) then the reciever goes straight into the tv vi hdmi. That sounded very strange to me when she told me that. Is she talking about digitial channels or hi-def. Im just a newbie and got set up a couple days wathing bd's with the ps3(curse of the golden flower, ghost rider and night in museum looked amazing. I have rgb color range on full, supewr white on and the cross color reduction filter set to off. Does the cross colour reduction do anything. Anyone who bought this tv and does not have a blu rayy or hd-dvd with hdmi1.3 deep color is missing the point, one of those is a must and make sure it has the hdmi deep color. ive never been this excited about a consumer product. tomorrow i am going to ttry some of your settings when i play heavenly sword, just got it. thank god for this forum

Yes, it's true for me.
I get all the local HD stations (always numbered 2.1, 4.1, 7.1 etc..), and I now get a lot of digital stations between channels 90 and 123. My old TV was HD, but did not have an internal HD tuner. The cable on both sets goes straight from the wall into the coax input. I get all the new channels only on the XBR4, and I'm guessing it's because of the built-in tuner.
post #187 of 5492
so whats the best calibration settings guys? i get my 52 xbr4 on saturday, and dont wanna bother trying 8 different setups...

which one is the best so far?

thanks
post #188 of 5492
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Originally Posted by thejared View Post

so whats the best calibration settings guys? i get my 52 xbr4 on saturday, and dont wanna bother trying 8 different setups...

which one is the best so far?

thanks

Just to get you started follow my advice in post 184. Once you get used to the set then start to experiment with Custom.
post #189 of 5492
hello guys, i'm from france and i'm taking a look at what's up around here with the settings of this beauty (here it's the 40X3500!!!) I've got mine since last friday, and it's pure happiness. i'll post my HD settings later, wich ones are used with my Ps3 for games, BD and DVDs....

well for games, i have the mov. enh. on "std" and the cinemt. on "auto1". this gives real smoothness to the action and it can be compared with a 100Hz mode!!!

otherwise, anyone with great SD settings??for cable. here in Fr. we haven't got true HD std tv yet...

thx
post #190 of 5492
Sign up and on the UK avforums.com and post a review on X3000/X3500 thread!!!We want owners there!!!!!
post #191 of 5492
does anyone have an opion on the cross color reduction filter on the ps3. ihave rgb set to full, and super white on. as far as i can tell the filter doesn't do much and the tv looks better with it off. Also i have the onkyo 705 with xvycc turned on. the blu ray looks amazing but i feel the hd cable doesn't look as good as it did with hdmi plugged right into the tv. is it possible that i am losing picture quality by runnint the picture through my reciever even though it is hdmi 1.3?
post #192 of 5492
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Originally Posted by tom_mack View Post

While these settings have helped the green problem on my set, bright reds are looking BAD! This seems to affect live action programs only when a stop light, tail light or another bright red light is displayed, but for games or animated movies it is noticeable all the time! For example, in Pixar's Cars the red car should be a bright saturated red, but it has a duller orangish tint. On the XBOX, anytime the controller is shown onscreen, the Red "B" button is a pinkish-orange.

Any ideas on how to fix this? Is it possible?

So after a bit of tweaking, I still think the red isn't as it should be, but it isn't as bad as I thought. What I am realizing is that many, many DVD transfers are Horrible!!! I watched the Incredibles and it looked pretty good. Reds weren't too bad and a relatively clean picture. I then watched Cars and the picture is very noisy! Halos and noise all over and colors just a bit off. I played the same DVDs on my computer and the picture issues were the same and the colors weren't too far off.

This TV brings out the best of the best programs, but you will really notice defects in a bad transfer!

I am going to try to get a VGA splitter and send the Xbox signal to both a computer monitor and the XBR4 to compare the colors on both right next to each other.
post #193 of 5492
Is anyone experiencing this problem:

I receive all HD programming thru Directv. All of my 720p stations look way better then the stations I receive in 1080i. Is this normal?

I have a 52XBR4 and I am pretty happy with it. I don't have anyway of viewing 1080p yet, so I can't rule out any other problems.

Can anyone help me here with settings. I have used a lot of the posted setting and I can see some changes, but the 1080i is terrible.

Thanks
post #194 of 5492
I alot of your post i see that people recomend putting the display area to full pixel. I am playing oblivion on the ps3 and the full pixel option isn't avaible just normal, -1, -2, and 1. is this because oblivion is 720p or can i not doit in custom or when the ps3 is hooked up . i can change when the cables on but that looks horrible.
post #195 of 5492
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So after a bit of tweaking, I still think the red isn't as it should be, but it isn't as bad as I thought. What I am realizing is that many, many DVD transfers are Horrible!!!

I also think that overdone makeup is more pronounced on HD channels. Some real bad.
post #196 of 5492
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Originally Posted by joeydhansen View Post

Is anyone experiencing this problem:

I receive all HD programming thru Directv. All of my 720p stations look way better then the stations I receive in 1080i. Is this normal?

I have a 52XBR4 and I am pretty happy with it. I don't have anyway of viewing 1080p yet, so I can't rule out any other problems.

Can anyone help me here with settings. I have used a lot of the posted setting and I can see some changes, but the 1080i is terrible.

Thanks

Joey,

Are you still using the out-of-the-box 'Vivid' setting (the following may apply to 'Standard', as well)? If so, see the previous posting sabout the hdguru review. In that review, hdguru notes that in the factory-default settings, 1080i signals are not deinterlaced properly, and you end up viewing at half resolution.

In short, if you haven't already, change your picture mode to 'Custom', and adjust from there. If you're already in 'Custom' then I don't know what to say beyond the fact that 1080i looks great on my set.

HTH,
-alex
post #197 of 5492
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Originally Posted by tito007 View Post

I just bought my new SONY 40XBR4 and I am curious at what calibration settings does one_eyed_pete and bplewis24 have.
I have been using some of the postings in this thread and I am not happy, since this Tv should reproduce better color images. I have SA 83000HD DVR.
Can you post your full settings?

Thanks.

Curiously I found the "out of the box" settings looked pretty darn good. I tried a few of the settings posted here and IMO the picture looked worse rather than better so I changed back to mostly default settings. I have been trying different settings for the enhancers and noise reduction etc. but I haven't made a final conclusion yet. I checked colors with DVE and the default colors were right on according to my eyes using the R, G and B filters.

I do notice some channels and some programs look slightly off color but I think that's the source and not the TV. The majority of the SD and HD programming looks great to me. SD DVD also generally looks great. The reds on the 49'ers and cardinals jerseys Monday night looked bright red.

I have compiled a spreadsheet with the settings I have seen in this thread and my current settings but I'm nor sure how to post it so others can review it. I would appreciate any suggestions on the best way to do that.

I am a little surprised at the wide range of settings others are using. I guess it just confirms the idea that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I do have a question. When I check the info header it shows 1080i regardless of which channel I'm viewing (SD or HD). I set the cable box to pass thru (SA 8300HDC-DVR/HDMI) so I expected the TV to upconvert to 1080p. Why would I see only 1080i?
post #198 of 5492
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Originally Posted by edwyun View Post

I also think that overdone makeup is more pronounced on HD channels. Some real bad.

Absolutely, but I think news directors are in a real dilemma. HD is so revealing, it actually amplifies facial flaws. Some anchors, who would otherwise look great in person or in SD, just look old and withered in HD.

The alternatives are to use heavy pancake' makeup, or silkscreen the video, as they do on The View'.

Men seem to fare better with heavy makeup than women, unfortunately. If you compare the 6 o'clock CBS news with its NBC counterpart here in New York, it's clear CBS has superior lighting and makeup, but the females sometimes look like ghosts.

Either way, I still find it mesmerizing to watch.
post #199 of 5492
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Originally Posted by rm -rf * View Post

Joey,

Are you still using the out-of-the-box 'Vivid' setting (the following may apply to 'Standard', as well)? If so, see the previous posting sabout the hdguru review. In that review, hdguru notes that in the factory-default settings, 1080i signals are not deinterlaced properly, and you end up viewing at half resolution.

In short, if you haven't already, change your picture mode to 'Custom', and adjust from there. If you're already in 'Custom' then I don't know what to say beyond the fact that 1080i looks great on my set.

HTH,
-alex

Is "custom" the only setting that I can use to get my signals properly?

Thanks,

Joey
post #200 of 5492
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Originally Posted by joeydhansen View Post

Is "custom" the only setting that I can use to get my signals properly?

Thanks,

Joey


This is something I'm not so sure about (the hdguru article was unclear to me on this point). I know for sure that 'Vivid' does not work properly, and I also know for sure that 'Custom' does. However, I'm not so clear on 'Standard' and 'Cinema'.

Personally, I would tend to stay away from these presets, regardless. If you really like the way 'Vivid' or 'Cinema' looks, you should be able to recreate it under 'Custom' by cranking up the Picture, Sharpness, and especially Brightness and Backlight settings (to mimic 'Vivid' you will almost certainly want them higher than the settings posted on this forum). You will also probably want to turn on some of the Advanced Settings (black corrector, advanced CE, the various color options, etc...) if you're really after a 'Vivid' duplicate.

All of this begs the question of whether you would actually *want* to mimic 'Vivid'.... I'll leave it to the true videophiles to explain all the reasons you don't want to do this, but suffice it to say that all three primary colors are way too hot, the brightness is blown out, and blacks are severely crushed. Now, the eye-searing nature of these settings may provide an initial WOW-factor, and it may even look pallid to your eye when you switch to settings that are actually accurate vs the showrooom-ready, let's-out-bright-the-other-sets-on-display 'Vivid' settings, but if you're concerned with displaying an image that accurately represents the source material, and that looks natural and realistic instead of like some sort of half-animation, colorized acid trip, then you *really* want to switch it to custom first, and then tweak the settings from there.

All that being said, maybe someone else can clarify whether 'Standard' and 'Cinema' show the same deinterlacing problem as 'Vivid'.... no matter what the answer, though, steer far clear of 'Vivid'.

HTH,
-alex

[minor edits for grammar and spelling]
post #201 of 5492
there are NO cable channels in 1080p, only 720p or 1080i
post #202 of 5492
Maybe you do not have it set to pass-thru. I have also a SA 8300HD DVR.
To set it to pass thru, click twice the settings button. Go to Set-Formats.
when you get there, click the right arrow, look for pass thru or auto DVI/HDMI.
Click on A button (colored yellow) to accept changes; then, click exit button.
post #203 of 5492
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Originally Posted by tito007 View Post

Maybe you do not have it set to pass-thru. I have also a SA 8300HD DVR.
To set it to pass thru, click twice the settings button. Go to Set-Formats.
when you get there, click the right arrow, look for pass thru or auto DVI/HDMI.
Click on A button (colored yellow) to accept changes; then, click exit button.

Who are you replying to?

Joey
post #204 of 5492
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Originally Posted by one_eyed_pete View Post

I am a little surprised at the wide range of settings others are using. I guess it just confirms the idea that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I do have a question. When I check the info header it shows 1080i regardless of which channel I'm viewing (SD or HD). I set the cable box to pass thru (SA 8300HDC-DVR/HDMI) so I expected the TV to upconvert to 1080p. Why would I see only 1080i?

I also wondered about why there were such differences in posted settings, but have found one illustration why. I used the moving black bars pattern from the old SD Avia to set black level (brightness). With a PS3 I got an optimum at 50-51, similar to the defaults. With an SD DVD player through component I got an optimum of 36. (I could have probably tweaked the picture settings on the DVD player to match the PS3, but it was only a temporary setup.)

As for the info header, it appears to be simply showing the source format.

Pete
post #205 of 5492
what people putting ther xv color on normal, xv or off, also how do people find the game mode, i think it looks pretty good when i was playing bioshock, for some reason i can only get it to play in hd 720 p even though i have the 360 sent to 1080i. i called microsof tbut the lady was dumb as a rock and didn't know the difference between progressive scan and interlace. when i put it in game mode soes this over ride all the settings i made.
post #206 of 5492
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Originally Posted by Mod-Mod-World View Post

Yes, it's true for me.
I get all the local HD stations (always numbered 2.1, 4.1, 7.1 etc..), and I now get a lot of digital stations between channels 90 and 123. My old TV was HD, but did not have an internal HD tuner. The cable on both sets goes straight from the wall into the coax input. I get all the new channels only on the XBR4, and I'm guessing it's because of the built-in tuner.

Check here http://russblack.net/qamwiki/en/United_States for local QAM channels available in your area. I found several dozen in the Denver area and they all come in. Some are clearer than what comes through the cable box.
post #207 of 5492
I just picked up my 40 XBR5 today. I am not going to hook it up until tomorrow night, because I am taking it to college. This is my first LCD TV, and to be quite honest some of the different settings are over my head. I have been trying to read through different posts to figure out what is going on. Can someone explain to me the "vivid" and other picture mode problem? Also, if there is anything else I need to know about owning an LCD tv or anything I should do with this one let me know. Thanks.
post #208 of 5492
I do have a question. When I check the info header it shows 1080i regardless of which channel I'm viewing (SD or HD). I set the cable box to pass thru (SA 8300HDC-DVR/HDMI) so I expected the TV to upconvert to 1080p. Why would I see only 1080i?[/quote]


This is for one_eyed_pete.
I think you do not have it pass thru. You click twice settings button on the cable box remote control. Look for set-format. click the right arrow. Select Pass-Thru or auto dvi. Click on the letter A. (yellow colored) button on remote to accept changes. Finally, click on exit.
post #209 of 5492
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Originally Posted by tito007 View Post

I do have a question. When I check the info header it shows 1080i regardless of which channel I'm viewing (SD or HD). I set the cable box to pass thru (SA 8300HDC-DVR/HDMI) so I expected the TV to upconvert to 1080p. Why would I see only 1080i?

The TV only displays 1080p.. The TV is just showing you what the signal is (aka your cable is 1080i)
post #210 of 5492
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Originally Posted by thejared View Post

so whats the best calibration settings guys? i get my 52 xbr4 on saturday, and dont wanna bother trying 8 different setups...

which one is the best so far?

thanks

Here's my suggestion. Start with "custom" and just start tuning the picture and brightness to your liking. And then maybe the color and hue. After that. Leave that part alone.

Move on to the other settings like Cinemotion and Motion Enhancer and start tweaking to see what they do FOR YOU!

That's what I've done.

My favorite settings are "custom" and "vivid (but toned down a bit)."

I use "custom" most of the time. But I use "vivid" for ESPN HD.
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