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post #2371 of 5489
2/12/08 at 7:15am
Great settings Marc, I tried it out last night with my Pioneer PVR 650H (it upconverts to 1080P) and the movie King Kong (regular DVD) look stunning. You should look at the seen when the boat is leaving the dock from New York at night, the city lights and the black is excellent. I'm getting a PS3 this week can't wait to see what blu-ray offers!!
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post #2372 of 5489
2/12/08 at 9:17am
Just dropping in for an update. For those of you using my settings for 1080p24 please change color from 62 to 55. As it turns out my Onkyo 875 was shifting the color space with the Reon engaged. As a result HD color was not decoded correctly. When I removed the Onkyo from the chain I noticed the error, my calibrator is aware of it as well. As a result 1080p24 color should be 55, 1080p60 remains 55 and 1080i component video should be moved from 52 to 50. With Onkyo out of the picture I also bumped backlight down 1. NOTHING else was effected, white balance and all other settings remain the same.

Great Job keeping the thread going Marc .

I'm feeling a little under the weather so back to rest I go .

For those of you with Onkyo/Integra receivers with built-in scalers, more info can be found here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918400

Larone
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post #2373 of 5489
2/12/08 at 9:33am
^^^I would also like to add that Onkyo is a great company and I believe will do what is necessary to satisfy their customers.
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post #2374 of 5489
2/12/08 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Just dropping in for an update. For those of you using my settings for 1080p24 please change color from 62 to 55.

Larone

thanks, im gonna try this out when i get a chance.
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post #2375 of 5489
2/12/08 at 11:18am
i've tried most of the settings posted here. i agree that the latest setting from marc seems to give the best pop to the picture, but i'm not sure if it's close the targeted 6500k. i've also tried settings from larone and akadennis, both of them look great on some channels, but colors just seemed off on others. here's the setting i got from cnet, i think with some minor tweaking, it might be the closest to 6500k. has anyone given the cnet settings a try?

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Picture Menu
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 7
Picture: 85
Brightness: 56
Color: 62
Hue: 0
Color temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 50
Noise reduction: Off
MPEG noise reduction: Off
DRC mode: Off

Advanced Settings
Black corrector: Off
Advanced C.E: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear white: Off
Color space: Standard
Live color: Off
Detail enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off

White Balance Menu
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: -4
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -1
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

Screen menu
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: On
4:3 Default: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel

Video Options menu
Motion Enhancer: Off
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game/Text mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video-A
Video Color Space: Auto
Photo Color Space: sYCC
Color Matrix: [N/A for HDMI]
RGB Dynamic Range: Auto

General Menu
Power saving: High
Light sensor: Off
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post #2376 of 5489
2/12/08 at 1:13pm
I'd like to thank lrstevens and Marc for posting their settings. All in all, I like Marc's setting using Warm1 (Custom). With it, I was amazed when I decided to try an SD DVD on an old Sony DVD player. Wow! I can now tell clearly that my 52XBR4 is upconverting and it's caused me to decide not to buy an upconverting DVD player and wait for the price of BR to drop.

In addition, I use lrsteven's settings in the Standard config, Tom Norton's HTG mag settings in Cinema mode and a tweaked by eye Vivid for sports and bright, outdoor scenes all with the backlight maxed to compensate for the power save low setting. (After all, variety is the spice of life.) I do use DRC Mode 1 with an 18/60 Palette setting in all modes as I think it adds detail as long as you don't go overboard with it. Thanks again guys.

Armand
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post #2377 of 5489
2/12/08 at 2:27pm
Just bringing up some info from earlier in this thread for those who have joined recently. Since we are talking about LRSteven's settings versus another settings (Marc's) that has visibly more pop...I thought it would be a good idea to remind everyone about what calibration does.

As someone in the IT world, I'm around LCD monitors all day that are set with extremely cool/bluish tones. When you are viewing settings that have been professionally calibrated, it WILL look significantly different (sometimes startlingly so). One of LRsteven's calibrators suggested at one point a 7 day trial to get used to what a correctly calibrated set looks like...and I would agree with this.

At first, I did not want to stay with them...but now when I go to a neutral or cool setting, or one that has too much backlight, it looks artificial to me. LRSteven's settings really are the most "realistic" that I have seen so far....with excellent balck levels.

After playing with both these settings, I'm back to LRsteven's updated settings for movies and TV. I would have Marc's settings for sports if powersaver were easier to access...but I don't want to dig that deep into the menu everytime I want to switch. Movies are what's most important to me, so I'll stick with that and some cooler settings for sports in my custom mode.
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post #2378 of 5489
2/12/08 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

With Onkyo out of the picture I also bumped backlight down 1. NOTHING else was effected, white balance and all other settings remain the same.

Larone

Backlight down 1 on all inputs?
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post #2379 of 5489
2/12/08 at 3:39pm
I think this post got lost over the weekend. Any info any could offer would be real helpful as my 30 day window is closely coming to a close.
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Have there been any calibration recommendations for an xbox 360 over component cables?
I tried a calibration disc but this does not represent the quality of a gaming image since the dvd only outputs a 480P signal..

At first the settings I used produced a beautiful picture, but I noticed some timing issues.
More so with faster games like burnout. I tried that game/text option and this made the picture look much worse.
Are there custom setting specific to when this game option is on? I did not pay attention to whether the numbers within my setting had changed once I turned on the option. Either way the timing is less of an issue yet I am not in love with the image quality now with this option on. I tried the search and did not come up with much.. Any suggestions?
Also is it best to set the 360 to output at 720P/1080i/1080P?
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post #2380 of 5489
2/12/08 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Just dropping in for an update. For those of you using my settings for 1080p24 please change color from 62 to 55. As it turns out my Onkyo 875 was shifting the color space with the Reon engaged. As a result HD color was not decoded correctly. When I removed the Onkyo from the chain I noticed the error, my calibrator is aware of it as well. As a result 1080p24 color should be 55, 1080p60 remains 55 and 1080i component video should be moved from 52 to 50. With Onkyo out of the picture I also bumped backlight down 1. NOTHING else was effected, white balance and all other settings remain the same.

Great Job keeping the thread going Marc .

I'm feeling a little under the weather so back to rest I go .

For those of you with Onkyo/Integra receivers with built-in scalers, more info can be found here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918400

Larone

thanks for the update.. get rest and feel better...
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post #2381 of 5489
2/12/08 at 5:34pm
A noob question:

Is there any significance to the Picture Mode identifiers (Custom, Standard, Vivid, Cinema) or are they mere "labels"? In other words can I modify the various parameters under each of these modes? I am planning on using lrstevens' settings under Custom and Marc's under Standard to quickly switch back and forth and compare PQ.
Is this possible?
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post #2382 of 5489
2/12/08 at 6:19pm
No! They are not just labels. They do control settings, and settings you can tweak, behind the scenes. Game Mode and Vivid in particular lock out options. Scan previous posts and you'll see the word from others who have looked into it. I think Custom and ...? Standard? Are the two that can be tweaked with all settings. The others can't.


"A noob question:
Is there any significance to the Picture Mode identifiers (Custom, Standard, Vivid, Cinema) or are they mere "labels"?"
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post #2383 of 5489
2/12/08 at 6:33pm
Thanks for the clarification.

So I should be able to program two completely different settings under Custom and Standard and switch back and forth between them - correct? I currently have lrstevens' settings under Custom - I am going to use Marc's settings on "Standard"..
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post #2384 of 5489
2/12/08 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Switched2HD View Post

A noob question:

Is there any significance to the Picture Mode identifiers (Custom, Standard, Vivid, Cinema) or are they mere "labels"? In other words can I modify the various parameters under each of these modes? I am planning on using lrstevens' settings under Custom and Marc's under Standard to quickly switch back and forth and compare PQ.
Is this possible?

Custom, Standard and Cinema have the same level of adjustment. Vivid is limited.
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post #2385 of 5489
2/12/08 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by Switched2HD View Post

A noob question:

Is there any significance to the Picture Mode identifiers (Custom, Standard, Vivid, Cinema) or are they mere "labels"? In other words can I modify the various parameters under each of these modes? I am planning on using lrstevens' settings under Custom and Marc's under Standard to quickly switch back and forth and compare PQ.
Is this possible?

just as a note: If you have the same exact setting under each mode they WILL still lock different.
for example:
Larone's setting on Standard will look different then Larone's setting on Cinema.
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post #2386 of 5489
2/12/08 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by Marc D Carra View Post

I'm really not 100% positive on this but I think having power saver set to low allows for even greater black levels than just reducing the backlight setting. I've tried setting backlight to 4 and powersaver off, but powersaver to low and backlight to max seems to yeild a better overall balance between deep black level and great overall contrast.





game mode disables the Motion Enhancer, and which in turn reduces any lag the internal 120hz processing may produce. I just prefer it becuase the auto-dimming is disabled. Try watching the openning scene of Star Wars : A New hope, and see what auto dimming does just after the openning credits. You'll never want it enabled again!

That being said, Game mode isn't a necessity with my settings. Just make sure you apply them in Custom mode if game mode is off. The picture quality will be identical, save for the motion enhancement and auto-dimming.






Before I did my greyscale calibration, x.v Color was set to on. I noticed after everything was complete, we had left it on. So it has just stayed on ever since. I've turned it off to see if there was any picture difference, and to my eye, the image seemed a very tiny bit more pink. Could be psycological, but I left it on in any case.


BTW, I got a new digital camera yesterday (Canon 712, I believe it was) but it just doesn't take good screenshots in dim light. I'm going to return it tommorow and try something different. I'd really like to show you guys what I'm seeing on my screen becuase some of the images are truly breathtaking!


MDC

Thanks for the reply. It does seem like there is a difference between power saver on low/BL to max & power saver off/BL to 3. This makes it a bit of a hassle when switching between your settings & lrstevens421's but it's worth the trouble, the contrast and black levels, plus the sharpness is very good. Too bad you can't assign power saving modes to each setting. Your white balance settings look a bit on the blue side to me, is this intentional?
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post #2387 of 5489
2/12/08 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by vath View Post

just as a note: If you have the same exact setting under each mode they WILL still lock different.
for example:
Larone's setting on Standard will look different then Larone's setting on Cinema.

Really? I didn't notice that. I had Larone's settings on custom and then I moved them over to cinema and they looked the same to me. I think as long as you match each line exactly (turn off DSC, etc) then it will be the same. Vivid is the only setting you really are limited in what you can do.
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post #2388 of 5489
2/12/08 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by Switched2HD View Post

Thanks for the clarification.

So I should be able to program two completely different settings under Custom and Standard and switch back and forth between them - correct? I currently have lrstevens' settings under Custom - I am going to use Marc's settings on "Standard"..

You have to remember to change the power level settings between Marc's & Larone's, each time you switch.
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post #2389 of 5489
2/12/08 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by EADGBE View Post

Really? I didn't notice that. I had Larone's settings on custom and then I moved them over to cinema and they looked the same to me. I think as long as you match each line exactly (turn off DSC, etc) then it will be the same. Vivid is the only setting you really are limited in what you can do.

i thought i was right in saying that.... i thought there were service menu setting that are specific to each picture mode.....
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post #2390 of 5489
2/12/08 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Just dropping in for an update. For those of you using my settings for 1080p24 please change color from 62 to 55. As it turns out my Onkyo 875 was shifting the color space with the Reon engaged. As a result HD color was not decoded correctly. When I removed the Onkyo from the chain I noticed the error, my calibrator is aware of it as well. As a result 1080p24 color should be 55, 1080p60 remains 55 and 1080i component video should be moved from 52 to 50. With Onkyo out of the picture I also bumped backlight down 1. NOTHING else was effected, white balance and all other settings remain the same.

Great Job keeping the thread going Marc .

I'm feeling a little under the weather so back to rest I go .

For those of you with Onkyo/Integra receivers with built-in scalers, more info can be found here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918400

Larone

Thanks for the update. It would be interesting to see your settings recalibrated but with the low power mode.
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post #2391 of 5489
2/12/08 at 8:14pm
hello,

I was wondering if someone could point me to some settings that they have found that work well with a comcast HD-DVR. im just not satisfied with the current picture on the HD channels. Some of them look grainy and pixelated. When i watch certain programs on certain channels (USA HD and Sci-Fi HD) cant handle bright colors and the picture becomes very pixelated.
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post #2392 of 5489
2/12/08 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by JimUNA26 View Post

hello,

I was wondering if someone could point me to some settings that they have found that work well with a comcast HD-DVR. im just not satisfied with the current picture on the HD channels. Some of them look grainy and pixelated. When i watch certain programs on certain channels (USA HD and Sci-Fi HD) cant handle bright colors and the picture becomes very pixelated.

How many times does your main cable line split once it's inside the house? IOW, do you have 6-8 tvs getting their feed from a single cable coax line? If so, you may need a signal amp or have Comcast run you a dedicated line for your xbr from the main line as it comes into the house. A signal strength test will point to this as a problem if that's what it is.

You didn't say which which DVR you have (3416, 6412, etc.)? If you're seeing macroblocking or pixelization, it's almost always the source. Does the picture freeze and release? Do you have sound drop-outs?
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post #2393 of 5489
2/12/08 at 8:51pm
is split once, i have a splitter with one side going to the tv, and the other going to the computer. i didnt think about that being a possible concern. my DVR is a DCT6412 iii. Im pretty new to some of this termination, so i might not understand some of the things you guys talk about in here.
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post #2394 of 5489
2/12/08 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by JimUNA26 View Post

is split once, i have a splitter with one side going to the tv, and the other going to the computer. i didnt think about that being a possible concern. my DVR is a DCT6412 iii. Im pretty new to some of this termination, so i might not understand some of the things you guys talk about in here.

Thanks.

Do you have other tvs in the house/apt. that have cable going to them?

You may want to try eliminating the split to the computer and just connect the cable from the wall to the 6412 directly. See if that make an improvement. If not, try bypassing the 6412 altogether. I can't remember if the 6412 supports HDMI or not. Are you connected by component?

It's definitely NOT unheard of to have picture quality problems on HD channels via cable or satellite. Not all providers, channels and receivers are made the same so there's lots of variability.
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post #2395 of 5489
2/12/08 at 9:10pm
i have one other tv in the house that is using cable, but it is in another room. my particular DVR has an HDMI port, and i have a monster Ultra 1000 HDMI cable, so i doubt there is a problem with the quality of the cable. i will try to connect the cable from the wall straight into the DVR and see how that works.
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post #2396 of 5489
2/12/08 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Just dropping in for an update. For those of you using my settings for 1080p24 please change color from 62 to 55.
Larone

thank you... with that correction i do prefer your settings over marc's based on skin tones and dark room viewing.

i am forcing myself to exchange my xbr4 for a new one hoping for less clouding..
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post #2397 of 5489
2/12/08 at 9:41pm
Anyone know if the remote for the 46xbr4 can be programmed to control the PS3? I know this may not be the best thread for this question, but I used the search for an hour and had no luck, so please don't beat me too hard. I also see that many of you here with this specific display also have the ps3. Thanks everyone, love this thread.
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post #2398 of 5489
2/12/08 at 10:18pm
When I tweak Marc's settings by increasing color to 60, I do not get over-saturated colors. Could it be that variations in cable signal, satellite signal, inside wiring and different cable/satellite boxes would cause the same settings to look different on our XBRs? Could it be a lot of us are comparing apples and oranges?
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post #2399 of 5489
2/12/08 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by jltmaxx View Post

Anyone know if the remote for the 46xbr4 can be programmed to control the PS3? I know this may not be the best thread for this question, but I used the search for an hour and had no luck, so please don't beat me too hard. I also see that many of you here with this specific display also have the ps3. Thanks everyone, love this thread.

No, the PS3 (at least the 40gb Ceramic White) does not have an IR sensor on it.
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post #2400 of 5489
2/13/08 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by vath View Post

i thought i was right in saying that.... i thought there were service menu setting that are specific to each picture mode.....

That was the jist of my original question. So the picture modes are not mere labels/identifiers. There are hidden parameters for each in the service menu and hence the same settings on each will look different.

So for a true apples-to-apples comparison between two different settings, I should probably use the same picture mode - Custom or Standard or Cinema. What a pain..
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