Official Sony XBR4/XBR5 calibration thread - Page 81

thanks lrstevens421, still love your settings. please keep us posted if anything else changes.

thanks again.

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A note for new tweakers: Tv does not properly Deinterlace 1080i in VIVID or STANDAD MODE. The set properly delivers all frames of 1080i in CINEMA or CUSTOM picture modes , therefore displaying full resolution, in these two modes only. There have been tests that have shown up to 50%loss of resolution in Standard or Vivid

I just tried this DRC 1 setting and at first glance I like it. Will leave it on for a few days, but so far so good. This calibration thread has been great. The owner threads was going down hill, for a while there it was getting very negative with all the smear, etc..... I really enjoy the information that comes from this thread.

Question regarding using these settings for XBR2s/3s:

I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum for this question.

I've had my 46" XBR2 since July of 07. Very pleased with it! I used variations of the settings in the XBR2 Calibration thread(Petmic's settings were my base). No real complaints and the picture is great!

However, the reactions and feedback from the settings here from marc and lrstevens are so positive! I don't recall seeing these kind of definitive "wow" responses in the XBR2 thread. Therefore, I just had to try these settings on my XBR2.

My question(finally) is, should I also potentially get this "wow" effect by using these settings on my XBR2 inspite of the new enhancements for the XBR4's and 5's??

Lastnight I used marc's settings for my HDDVR(Directv) connection. I want to know if what I'm seeing is just my mind telling me it's better because of the reactions here or should I indeed see that "wow" factor like you XBR4/5 owners? (I honestly do believe I did have that "wow" effect). I haven't tried the settings yet with my PS3 or HDDVD player.

Sorry if these seems like a dumb question. But I want to feel as much joy from my XBR2 as posible since I can't replace my TV every time a new model comes out. lol

Put the same settings in Custom, Standard and Cinema. Switch between them and see if you can discern a difference in picture quality.

You said it better than I could have. And you were nice about it.

Heh, heh. I bit my tongue. I love it when you say RTFM or do a search because I'm thinking the same thing.

Which tests are you referring to?

cnet reviewed the 46xbr4 and incorrectly stated that it failed 1080i de-interlacing, but then issued a correction stating that with DRC engaged it failed the test, but with it OFF, it passed.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...?tag=pdtl-list

HD guru Tested it in all picture modes, CNET tested in cinema or custom only! not standard or vivid anyone who gets this set professionally calibrated it will be on Cinema or Custom picture mode, Both are real close to the D6500 standard for color temperature, and they are the only two capable of full resolution.

http://hdguru.com/?p=131

Ok, this is my seconds attempt at taking some screenshots.


** Please note that the moire rainbow pattern in the backgrounds of some of the pictures is something the camera is introducing. Not sure why It is not in the actual picture **


They also aren't as sharp as I would like, but the camera isn't very high end. I took them slightly off to the side so the flash wouldn't interfere with the picture. Still experimenting with the camera, so I'll replace the pics again, if I can take better ones:

First Shots are from Star Trek : The Original series on HD-DVD








Next shots are from Gladiator in HD (from Bell Expressvu HD PPV recording)





Last shots are from Star Wars EpIV: A New Hope in 1080p on the Xbox 360:











You can't get any idea of detail or resolution at all from the pictures( if you enlarge them, they look horrible) , but at least it gives you an idea of color, contrast, black level, etc. Just look at the sense of depth in the gladiator battle scene.


MDC

Im curious to see what you want to show.
we seem to be in for a surprise by the way your acting.

personally I like your white balance, and so far, thats the only thing I changed from my custom settings since I also use the same color temperature. I still use larone's on (Theater)cinema mode.

I tried what you mentioned, still pixelated, the HD does not appear to be of a high quality. It might be the signal quality im getting from comcast, but im not sure. Any other suggestions?

Larone,
Did you back the backlight down 1 across all inputs?

No surprises. I just posted some screenshots since a couple of people asked to see some. I've edited the post a few times because I'm new at this screenshot thing, and have replaced them twice already.

MDC

All (I can't help but to watch this thread ).

Later

Mark, Your settings are really great. But I am getting a sense that there is a good amount of motion blur. It is not because of your settings. It was there even before. Is there something that will cut down this blur?

Thnx,
Jay

Yeah I noticed that too. I didn't want to say anything because Marc's settings are good but you do notice more of the smearing problem but that's another issue.

i get a lot of ghosting aswell, but i think it might be the blu-ray.

If movies are darker then there will be more of the problem. The smearing just occurs with dark colors in motion. It's a problem when gaming too. I've been trying to ignore it and keep my fingers crossed that Sony will come up with a fix because everything else about the XBR4 is perfect. My only consolation comes from knowing that every flat panel you can buy has some kind of issue you have to deal with.

I like these settings. Maybe MrTAPOUT would be willing to copy them all down and post them.

I am a new Sony 52XBR4 owner and have a pretty basic question. I am not sure this is the place to post, but it certainly seems like the people in this thread know what they are talking about. I have tried some of the calibration setting and the really look good.

My issue is when I play a 16:9 widescreen Blueray disk (3:10 to Yuma) through a PS3 via HDMI, and I set the TV to Normal in the wide mode set-up. The image is displayed in a wide screen format, but does not fill the screen width. This is to say that in addition to the black bars on the top and bottom of the image, there are also black bars on the right and left of the image. If I set the TV wide mode to Full or Wide Zoom the image fills the screen.

This may be normal, but it seems odd that a wide screen input does not fill the width of the screen. Is this smaller image in normal mode due to the DVD's input, TV set-up (I've set all setting wherever I can to 16:9, and I am aware of the auto feature that convert 4:3 to a wide mode), or is there a problem with the TV.

A side note is this same issue occurs when a play a SD disk in the PS3 or on a SD DVD player connected via component video.

Thanks for the help!!

Don't have a PS3, but my question is: Is there a menu item in the PS3 that allows you to set the aspect of the connected display? If so, make sure it's set to 16:9. Same for the dvd player connected via component.

Thanks for the quick reply! I know I set the DVD to 16:9 mode and I believe I did the same for the PS3 but I will confirm.

widescreen movies should be viewed in FULL screen mode and on some aspect ratios there will still be black bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
And make sure the tv is set to FULL PIXEL under display or something in the TV menus.

Then I wonder why the XBR4 still has a "poor" rating at the bottom of the article for 1080i film resolution?

quoting the article"
"Like most HDTVs we've tested, it properly de-interlaced 1080i video content and failed to do so with 1080i film-based content. We found it difficult to spot this failure in other program material; even the RV grille from Chapter 9 of Ghost Rider, which often reveals improper de-interlacing, didn't betray any artifacts. In case you're keeping track, the set failed the 1080i film de-interlacing test regardless of whether 120Hz was engaged or not, and choosing either of the two DRC modes actually made the pattern and the pan around Raymond James stadium look worse, with more artifacts, edge enhancement and moire. (Update 9/28/07) When this review first published, we mentioned a test involving the HQV Blu-ray disc that criticized the appearance of 1080p/24 sources. That test was incorrect, and as a result we see no reason to avoid using 1080p/24 mode with film-based sources on the Sony KDL-46XBR4."
and
"DRC did matter during the 2:3 pulldown test; the set passed when we turned DRC off but failed when we engaged it, leaving those telltale curved lines of moire in the grandstands behind the racecar."

And the HD guru states:
"I quickly discovered that this Sony does not properly deinterlace 1080i in the factory default “Vivid” picture setting. In fact, it also drops 50% resolution in the “Standard” picture mode as well. However, the set does properly deinterlace the 1080i signal and does deliver all frames, and thus does display the full vertical resolution, in either “Custom” or “Cinema” picture mode!"

DRC

So here's a question....

It appears that most of the professionally calibrated settings utilize auto1....why?

Did anyone who had their set professionally calibrated have the calibrator explain why auto1 is the choice. There are a few that used OFF, but none that used Auto2. There were some great discussions earlier in the thread that explained (at least to some extent) what the difference in the two was and how they interact with ME...although I still don't feel like we really know for sure.

So I'm curious if any of the professional calibrators explained why they either chose off or Auto1...and stayed away from auto2.

I'm guessing that auto2 is a newer concept so they decided to stick to the defaults more or less. Personally, I like auto 2 since it turn off ME just like theatre mode does during film source.

i got this post from page 68...my question is at the bottom in blue. thanks

This is an old post that I cut and paste since I cannot post URLs yet. I followed this for SD channels leaving Cinemotion on auto1 and Motion Enhancer off completely. I also did not bother with the White Balance. The picture looks much better especially after fine tuning the DRC settings. The post was originally posted by Petmic 10. I appreciate his kindness in sharing these calibrations after paying someone to do it professionaly.

Let me start off by saying that I am completely stunned in the difference
before and after calibration. It is 100% worth the money and I highly recommend a calibration to anyone who has the means.

Inputs Calibrated:

Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player (HDMI to HDMI)
Scientific Atlanta 4200HD Cable Box (DVI to HDMI)
XBOX 360 (Component)

The Toshiba and the cable box were both digital connections and were calibrated
to the following settings:

Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 2
Picture: 80
Brightness: 51
Color: 45
HUE: G1
Color Temp.: Warm 1
Sharpness: 25
Noise Red.: Off
DRC Mode: Mode 1
DRC Palette: Reality(35), Clarity(15)

Advanced Settings:

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: Off
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Live Color: Off
Color Space: Wide
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off

Power Saving: Off
Display Area: Normal/Cable Box - Full Pixel/HD-DVD

White Balance(GrayScale):
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: -3
B-Gain: -15
R-Bias: -4
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: -1

Gray Scale Color Temperature Kelvins:
(Pre-Calibration) (Post-Calibration)
100 IRE: 7825 / 100 IRE: 6550
90 IRE: 7750 / 90 IRE: 6475
80 IRE: 7700 / 80 IRE: 6500
70 IRE: 7500 / 70 IRE: 6450
65 IRE: 7450 / 65 IRE: 6425
60 IRE: 7400 / 60 IRE: 6400
55 IRE: 7650 / 55 IRE: 6455
50 IRE: 7600 / 50 IRE: 6475
45 IRE: 7525 / 45 IRE: 6500
40 IRE: 7450 / 40 IRE: 6500
30 IRE: 7425 / 30 IRE: 6450
20 IRE: 7400 / 20 IRE: 6425

You can see by the above pre and post calibration temps. that pre calibration
was a little on the cool side and after calibration its almost dead on 6500 kelvin
from 20 IRE to 100 IRE.
The Tech who performed the calibration does reviews for CNET and actually
reviewed this model and I highly recommend him.

I'll post my XBOX 360 settings tomorrow as there are some differences because
of the use of component(analog) connections.

***** my question is regarding the IRE BOX. as an example, were the IRE'S changed from 7400 to 6425 in row 20 IRE by simply using all of the picture settings shown or are the IRE'S changed by an ISF technitian accessing the service menu only????? just bought a 46" XBR4 trying to learn as much as possible, thank you in advance.