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post #391 of 5492
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Originally Posted by DTrain View Post

I received my 52" XBR4 today. I'd like to thank everybody in this thread who really helped me greatly speed up my setup time. All went well (no clouding, dead pixels, etc.), except I have some sort of HDCP issue (I think) with my Motorola DTC-6412 STB. I can only get a picture over HDMI (using Monoprice DVI->HDMI cable) for anywhere from 5 seconds to about an hour, then my screen goes black (or at least a VERY dark gray ).

Anyways, I guess I can just use component 'til I get this straightened out...to my eyes component looks quite good on this set, it's just that I was looking forward to going all HDMI (HDMI on Sony upconverting DVD plays no problem).

One other thing...I've already become a bit addicted to watching movies (or at least parts of movies) with Motionflow set to high. I watched part of The Fifth Element tonight, and it was freaking me out, looking at Bruce Willis walking around in what looked like the set of a soap opera.

Motion Enhancer set to High and Cinemotion on Auto 1 produces the strangest effect. It looks like everyone is poping out of the screen and moving around in a fantasy world or something! When the scenes move fast though the picture breaks up a little, have you noticed that?
post #392 of 5492
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Originally Posted by DTrain View Post

I have some sort of HDCP issue (I think) with my Motorola DTC-6412 STB. I can only get a picture over HDMI (using Monoprice DVI->HDMI cable) for anywhere from 5 seconds to about an hour, then my screen goes black (or at least a VERY dark gray ).

If it sometimes lasts for an hour, it doesn't sound like it's an an HDPC issue. Did you try using a different HDMI input on the TV? This sounds like a chip overheating and giving up. Could be either end - you need a 3rd piece of equipment to be certain. It could also be a marginal HDMI cable - do you have another?
post #393 of 5492
Another XBR4 review, Home Theater said they "highly recommended" the XBR4 and stated "This is an excellent flat panel TV."
http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/907sonybrav/
post #394 of 5492
In addition to their review, they've posted their settings as well:

http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/907sonybrav/index3.html

Mode: Movie
Backlight: 0 (3-4 for sports and news)
Picture: 80
Brightness: 49-52
Color: 50
Hue: 50
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: 30-40
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
DRC Mode: Off
DRC Palette: N/A
Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: Off or Low
Gamma: Off or Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off
White Balance:
Gain: Red 0, Green -2, Blue 0
Bias: Red -1, Green -3, Blue 0
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Display Area: See text
Motion Enhancer: Off or Standard
CineMotion: Auto 1
Video Color Space (x.v.Color): Off
Color Matrix: Auto
Light Sensor: Off
post #395 of 5492
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Originally Posted by pheadland View Post

If it sometimes lasts for an hour, it doesn't sound like it's an an HDPC issue. Did you try using a different HDMI input on the TV? This sounds like a chip overheating and giving up. Could be either end - you need a 3rd piece of equipment to be certain. It could also be a marginal HDMI cable - do you have another?

I tried 2 different DVI->HDMI cables, 2 different STBs (2 different 6412's actually), and HDMI ports 1 and 3 on the XBR. I called Comcast and the guy told me to go get either a 3416 or a 6416 STB, which are HDMI->HDMI. I'm hoping it's just a problem with these older STBs, and not a problem with the XBR. I can run my DVD player fine via HDMI, so I'm crossing my fingers that the new STB will work

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Originally Posted by EADGBE View Post

Motion Enhancer set to High and Cinemotion on Auto 1 produces the strangest effect. It looks like everyone is poping out of the screen and moving around in a fantasy world or something! When the scenes move fast though the picture breaks up a little, have you noticed that?

Yes, I noticed the picture breaking up at times that made little sense on High/Auto 1, like a guy's elbow would just start to smear as he was walking along slowly. I took the advice of somebody earlier in this thread, and turned off edge enhancement and detail enhancement, and that helped a great deal (for example those changes make the ticker at the bottom of ESPN go smoothly). But I think I'm going to stick with Motion Enhancer set to high and with Cinemotion on Auto 2 for a majority of my viewing.

Again, thanks for your help guys!
post #396 of 5492
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Originally Posted by gj55 View Post

I'm thinking between the W3000 and the XBR4 46' and was wondering about this "pop" effect that the XBR4 produces when watching movies can the normal person spot the difference between the XBR4 with motionflow and W3000 without it and can anyone describe this a little more and impressions that you have and others have had on this. Sorry if its too many questions I just want to know a little more info from owners and as I haven't bought a TV in 7 years.

i was thinking the same thing -- i hear alot about this 3D pop with the motionflow - i dont know how the 46inch models are - i have yet to see it with my tv - but i have the 32 inch xbr4 -- i have it set to Auto1 and motionflow high with hdmi for dvds -- the movies are great - but i havnt noticed anything like i hear from some people here about this pop effect -- it does say in the manual that it wont show on all material - - i just got my tv 3 days - been watching dvds since - and its great the picture is great - no issues with the panel - the blacks are very good too -- it set up in Cinema mode and the sound is great also - i just hooked it up to a oppo 981 - very clean - best it can be unless you have blue ray - - but i wish i could see this motionflow i paid more for ??

i seen the W in the CC - and its hot - the picture is great also - and bezel is much slimer - - the 46inch xbr4 is about the same size as the 52inch W -- overall -

i wait for the prices to come down more - but the W is a hot model - sort of the sleeper type - has just about 95% of the same features that matter as the xbr4 model -

try to compare them in the Store side to side if you can -

post back if you get the W and what you think or if you get the xbr4 -- both have the 10 bit panel - thats more important i think - i read that the 1080/24 input which the xbr4 has - dosnt even work correctly - so not sure how good that option is either - since i have that also on my set - but you need to use a blu ray to output a 1080p/24 signal in the first place -
post #397 of 5492
this is probably a stupid post... but why seperate STB's if it come with one built in?
post #398 of 5492
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Originally Posted by expresso712 View Post

i read that the 1080/24 input which the xbr4 has - dosnt even work correctly - so not sure how good that option is either - since i have that also on my set - but you need to use a blu ray to output a 1080p/24 signal in the first place -

1080p24 works great actually. If you read that from the CNet review, you should note that they have updated their review to correct that portion of it.

Brandon
post #399 of 5492
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post #400 of 5492
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

1080p24 works great actually. If you read that from the CNet review, you should note that they have updated their review to correct that portion of it.

Brandon


hi - yes i did read that from Cnet review - i didnt know they updated it and retested it - thats good news -- since i have that feature and will use it in the future once the prices drop on the blu ray players - i feel better now knowing i didnt spend extra for nothing
post #401 of 5492
Just got my 52xbr5 today after 6 weeks of waiting and it was worth it.

Build Date: September 2007
Final Assembly Point: Mexico
Software Version: M-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-BMN-N

Connections: Motorola 3416 STB connected to HDMI Input1 via 3ft. HDMI 1.3 cable
Source: Comcast HD
(Waiting a month or so to get a good deal on a PS3)

Settings: I'm using gordy11's settings except I'm using "Neutral" for Color Temp. Also, I have DRC enabled to experiment.

First Impressions:

No clouds, bad pixels (that I can see), tearing, smearing, artifacting, etc. Very clean so far.

Oddly, I thought the Vivid settings OOTB were pretty cool at first. But that had to go after a while (too much saturation). Cable SD looks pretty good. I watch a lot of Comedy Central and tonight the set of The Daily Show had some great colors to see on this set. Also, John Stewart's suit complimented the colors as well. Great picture for SD although you can definitely see the difference between SD and HD.

HD, I thought, was outstanding. Every channel on HD I viewed was fantastic. There's a new Victoria's Secret commercial out....Geeez. Why didn't somebody tell me sooner about 1080p??? The Pats vs. Bengals game tonight was the best. Beat my expectations 100%. I'm really impressed with the contrast on the TV and I've even noticed shadow details a few times. Very nice.

I'm experimenting with DRC mode on Mode1. Seems most people have it turned off, but I like the effect it has. Just for a starting point, I'm using a 50/50 setting on the DRC palett. I'll leave it for a while and see how it goes.

I've had it on now for about 7 hours and no odd noises or strange issues. I'll post some pics tomorrow (I just have to catch that VS commercial at the right time).

Thanks to everybody in this forum. I literally calibrated my set in less than 5 minutes and had it up and running. I've read so much here, I felt like I've owned one for years.
post #402 of 5492
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post

Just got my 52xbr5 today after 6 weeks of waiting and it was worth it.

There's a new Victoria's Secret commercial out....Geeez. Why didn't somebody tell me sooner about 1080p???

Remember that what you're seeing right now is only 1080i upscaled to 1080p... just wait till you get your PS3... 1080p is awesome!

Congratulations btw (and welcome to the club )
post #403 of 5492
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Originally Posted by God_TM View Post

Remember that what you're seeing right now is only 1080i upscaled to 1080p... just wait till you get your PS3... 1080p is awesome!

Congratulations btw (and welcome to the club )

True. I'm having a hard time right now holding off buying one, especially since I have the xbr now. If you have a PS3 currently, can you tell me if there is/was a problem with the 80gb model having some sort of trouble with backward compatibilty of PS2 games? I was told that the 60gb model doesn't have that problem because they do the conversion on the board (hardware) vs the 80gb model that converts PS2 games via software. I probably didn't say all that correct, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to ask

Thanks for the comments,
post #404 of 5492
We're getting a little off topic here, but check out this site for compatibility status...

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

You're correct though... the 80gb version (and all future versions of the ps3) doesn't have the 'emotion engine' (the ps2 chip) which will reduce compatibility somewhat (compatibility will improve with each firmware revision however). Now's the time to snag a 60gb model...
post #405 of 5492
Getting back on track here, Sony called me once again, to clarify some of the cinemotion settings (out of the blue... I like their follow through)... Here's what they said:

"AUTO1: Has film compensation turned ON and works in conjunction with the Motion Enhancer setting. The CineMotion effect changes depending upon the setting of the Motion Enhancer.

AUTO2: Has film compensation turned ON and turns OFF the Motion Enhancer setting.

Again, same bottom line, place the setting where you think jitter is minimized and the moving images are most clear for you."


Not sure if it's been confirmed before, but Auto2 turns off motion enhancer completely...
post #406 of 5492
so if auto 2 turns ME off, should we have it tv set to AUTO 1 & ME set to Standard.

Is the tv still utilizing 120hz if ME is set to off, i.e. auto 2.
post #407 of 5492
I am using my Dell E1705 via VGA to the XBR 52, but the images from any laptop source are shifted to the right-not sure if right justified or shifted and part of the right side of the image is truncated.(actually, I'm sure my web pages are not being truncated) Any help appreciated.

Thank you very much

Fury
post #408 of 5492
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Originally Posted by God_TM View Post

Getting back on track here, Sony called me once again, to clarify some of the cinemotion settings (out of the blue... I like their follow through)... Here's what they said:

"AUTO1: Has film compensation turned ON and works in conjunction with the Motion Enhancer setting. The CineMotion effect changes depending upon the setting of the Motion Enhancer.

AUTO2: Has film compensation turned ON and turns OFF the Motion Enhancer setting.

Again, same bottom line, place the setting where you think jitter is minimized and the moving images are most clear for you."


Not sure if it's been confirmed before, but Auto2 turns off motion enhancer completely...

Thanks for passing this along.

I'm going to experiment tonight with these settings. Right now, I have Cinemotion=Auto2, ME=standard and I'm happy with PQ. First, I'll try Cinemotion=OFF and ME=standard/high.

All this still begs the question, under what conditions and source input does Motionflow kick in and have distinct advantages?
post #409 of 5492
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post

Right now, I have Cinemotion=Auto2, ME=standard and I'm happy with PQ. First, I'll try Cinemotion=OFF and ME=standard/high.

That's the thing... people are posting that they have ME turned on with Cinemotion set to Auto2... if what Sony said is true, ME doesn't make any difference (std/high/off settings should all look the same) when CM is on Auto2.

Also, CM should only affect film sources (ones that have the 3:2 (or 2:3) pulldown applied to them, as CM runs it through a reverse 3:2 pulldown).

This would also mean, that if you're playing DVDs/BDs through a PS3 with it set to output 24fps (I'm assuming that the player handles the reverse 3:2 pulldown internally or the source video is soft-telecined, so it's stored as 24fps on the DVD/BD), CM shouldn't do anything to affect the picture quality...

What happens when you reverse-telecine 24fps material? Or is the TV smart enough to sense that it's already at 24fps?
post #410 of 5492
vumcrab, please keep us posted with your tests involving cinemotion and ME. Right now I have ME at high and Cinemotion at Auto 2. Would like to know if this wrong and if I should change it to ME at standard and Cinemotion at Auto1.
post #411 of 5492
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Originally Posted by God_TM View Post

That's the thing... people are posting that they have ME turned on with Cinemotion set to Auto2... if what Sony said is true, ME doesn't make any difference (std/high/off settings should all look the same) when CM is on Auto2.

Also, CM should only affect film sources (ones that have the 3:2 (or 2:3) pulldown applied to them, as CM runs it through a reverse 3:2 pulldown).

This would also mean, that if you're playing DVDs/BDs through a PS3 with it set to output 24fps (I'm assuming that the player handles the reverse 3:2 pulldown internally or the source video is soft-telecined, so it's stored as 24fps on the DVD/BD), CM shouldn't do anything to affect the picture quality...

What happens when you reverse-telecine 24fps material? Or is the TV smart enough to sense that it's already at 24fps?

Not trying to beat this already dead horse, but I wonder if Sony ASSuMEd that your question was from a film-based standpoint? Similarly, if GAME_MODE=on, ME is automatically disabled according to the user manual. I wonder if your input is Cable/Sat. SD/HD, if Cinemotion is just ignored becasue the TV detects non-film content based on fps and only the ME setting is honored? Then, as Sony has told you, if you're watching HD DVD/BD, the CM settings come into play with ME??

There are 9 different combinations of settings per input source (CM=off/auto1/auto2 and ME=off/standard/high). Wonder if we can talk CNET into running this thru their lab??
post #412 of 5492
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Originally Posted by slumpey326 View Post

vumcrab, please keep us posted with your tests involving cinemotion and ME. Right now I have ME at high and Cinemotion at Auto 2. Would like to know if this wrong and if I should change it to ME at standard and Cinemotion at Auto1.

Yea, I'm wondering if CM needs to be set to OFF for anything but film-based content. Look at post #269 in this thread where a poster went thur many of the different combinations of these two settings using BD/HD DVD as the source input.

His post suggests that there is definitely a difference with these 2 settings on that input as God has suggested.
post #413 of 5492
keep us posted tonight
post #414 of 5492
My post is about my concern of "upscaling problem" in OPPO 981 - 52XBR4 combination.
I have 52"XBR4 and I play DivX files using Phillips 642 DVD player.
The player connected using component and S-video. After some TV Component 1 calibration I get pretty good PQ.
Yesterday I get my new upscaling OPPO 981 DVD player. I connected it by HDMI cable to HDMI 2 TV input and tried to play same DivX files. I can not get the same PQ as before with Phillips. I tried different DVD source resolution, I played with HDMI 2 settings - no luck. I have got some information from this tread about "double scaling". What if I connect my OPPO 981 by component cable could be the source in 480i resolution instead of 480p? Any advise on calibration and settings of OPPO 981 - 52XBR4 combination will be appreciated.

Thanks
post #415 of 5492
i just got that same player also - 981 -- but i havnt tried Divx yet - there are no Component output on that player - just HDMI - S video and the other lower resolution Composite - i have to check how mines works with Divx also now - i was told by Oppo to leave every thing off on the player - just leave the true life on - thats the processor that does all the upconverting - if you cant get it working as you like - you can email Oppo - they get back to you or try calling them -

hope it works out - i am still testing mines with Dvd movies
post #416 of 5492
Here are my settings, as calibrated by professional technician:

Picture Menu
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 7
Picture: 81
Brightness: 54
Color: 55
Hue: R2
Color temp: Warm 2
Sharpness: 50
Noise reduction: Low
MPEG noise reduction: Low
DRC mode: Mode 1

Advanced Settings
Black corrector: Off
Advanced C.E: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear white: Off
Color space: Standard
Live color: Off
Detail enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off

White Balance Menu
R-Gain: -7
G-Gain: -7
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 6
G-Bias: 4
B-Bias: -10

Screen menu
Wide Mode: Wide Zoom
Auto Wide: On
4:3 Default: Zoom
Display Area: Full Pixel

Video Options menu
Motion Enhancer: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game/Text mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video
Video Color Space: x.v.Color
Photo Color Space: sYCC
Color Matrix: Default
RGB Dynamic Range: Auto

General Menu
Power saving: Off
Light sensor: Off

This was done in a brightly lit room that gets a lot of ambient light. The picture looks fine at night as well.

I have tweaked these settings as follows:

Picture: 90
Brightness: 50

Any suggestions on Motion Enhancer and Cinemotion would be great. These settings are for my Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300 HDC cable box from TWC. The settings are the same for my Oppo DV 981HD.

Any suggestions to change my settings for my Oppo would be welcome as well.
post #417 of 5492
Quote:
Originally Posted by God_TM View Post

Getting back on track here, Sony called me once again, to clarify some of the cinemotion settings (out of the blue... I like their follow through)... Here's what they said:

"AUTO1: Has film compensation turned ON and works in conjunction with the Motion Enhancer setting. The CineMotion effect changes depending upon the setting of the Motion Enhancer.

AUTO2: Has film compensation turned ON and turns OFF the Motion Enhancer setting.

Again, same bottom line, place the setting where you think jitter is minimized and the moving images are most clear for you."


Not sure if it's been confirmed before, but Auto2 turns off motion enhancer completely...

Thanks for the post. This does seem to confirm my observations about Cinemotion. I've noticed that Auto2 looks like Auto1 with ME turned off. I've also noticed that Auto1 doesn't seem to have any effect on sporting events. I haven't gotten to try it with BD or DVD yet. ME on High has the greatest effect when combined with Auto1 but only when watching film. Right now I prefer Auto1 & ME Standard when watching film. Sony has made this rather confusing and they also BURIED the Cinemotion option in the menus. There should be a button on the remote for Cinemtion so you can turn it on and off easily when watching different programing.
post #418 of 5492
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Originally Posted by MuscleRunt View Post

Here are my settings, as calibrated by professional technician:

Picture Menu
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 7
Picture: 81
Brightness: 54
Color: 55
Hue: R2
Color temp: Warm 2
Sharpness: 50
Noise reduction: Low
MPEG noise reduction: Low
DRC mode: Mode 1

Advanced Settings
Black corrector: Off
Advanced C.E: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear white: Off
Color space: Standard
Live color: Off
Detail enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off

White Balance Menu
R-Gain: -7
G-Gain: -7
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 6
G-Bias: 4
B-Bias: -10

Screen menu
Wide Mode: Wide Zoom
Auto Wide: On
4:3 Default: Zoom
Display Area: Full Pixel

Video Options menu
Motion Enhancer: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game/Text mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video
Video Color Space: x.v.Color
Photo Color Space: sYCC
Color Matrix: Default
RGB Dynamic Range: Auto

General Menu
Power saving: Off
Light sensor: Off

This was done in a brightly lit room that gets a lot of ambient light. The picture looks fine at night as well.

I have tweaked these settings as follows:

Picture: 90
Brightness: 50

Any suggestions on Motion Enhancer and Cinemotion would be great. These settings are for my Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300 HDC cable box from TWC. The settings are the same for my Oppo DV 981HD.

Any suggestions to change my settings for my Oppo would be welcome as well.

How is the black level on these settings, i don't have my tv yet, but to my knowledge these are the first pro calibrated results...

Can you snap any pics?
post #419 of 5492
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Originally Posted by MuscleRunt View Post

Here are my settings, as calibrated by professional technician:

Picture Menu
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 7
Picture: 81
Brightness: 54
Color: 55
Hue: R2
Color temp: Warm 2
Sharpness: 50
Noise reduction: Low
MPEG noise reduction: Low
DRC mode: Mode 1

Advanced Settings
Black corrector: Off
Advanced C.E: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear white: Off
Color space: Standard
Live color: Off
Detail enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off

White Balance Menu
R-Gain: -7
G-Gain: -7
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 6
G-Bias: 4
B-Bias: -10

Screen menu
Wide Mode: Wide Zoom
Auto Wide: On
4:3 Default: Zoom
Display Area: Full Pixel

Video Options menu
Motion Enhancer: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game/Text mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video
Video Color Space: x.v.Color
Photo Color Space: sYCC
Color Matrix: Default
RGB Dynamic Range: Auto

General Menu
Power saving: Off
Light sensor: Off

This was done in a brightly lit room that gets a lot of ambient light. The picture looks fine at night as well.

I have tweaked these settings as follows:

Picture: 90
Brightness: 50

Any suggestions on Motion Enhancer and Cinemotion would be great. These settings are for my Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300 HDC cable box from TWC. The settings are the same for my Oppo DV 981HD.

Any suggestions to change my settings for my Oppo would be welcome as well.

Interesting calibration. I am liking it a little more than gordong's. I am curious to see if you did anything with the DRC Palette?
post #420 of 5492
Tonight I performed a pretty lengthy test (~25) of Cinemotion (CM) and Motion Enhancer (ME) on my 52xbr5. Since each setting has 3 possible selections, there are 9 possible combinations per source input. These tests were run on a Motorola 3416 STB via HDMI. I was sitting in front of the screen about 3' away and I was watching a football game on ESPN2 HD and ESPN2 SD so I was comparing the same program.

The first batch of tests I ran was with DRC=Mode1. What I noticed up close was that DRC/Mode1 intrduced loss of detail in people's faces when the camera was at a distance. When the camera move closer to the subject's face, the loss of detail wasn't as bad. There was also loss of details in players' uniforms at a distance.

No matter what CM/ME settings I used, the SD picture was horrible. There were a few instances where HD degraded as well. I won't post these findings since I thought the PQ was unacceptable at close range. Back up to 8-10' and it's not as noticeable.

With DRC=OFF, I got some different results.

For the most part HD broadcasts were unaffected by the CM/ME settings. The picture remained clean with no loss of detail.

For SD, the best setting I found was CM=Auto1 and ME=High/Standard. The next best was CM=Auto2 and ME=Std/High. All other settings produced bad SD PQ.

I ran a random test again with another channel (SD and HD) and it made no difference in the previous test.

I'm also trying to get a better SD PQ. My Moto. 3416 STB is set to passthru 480i with no upconverting, which means the xbr is doing the upconvert to 1080p. I can't think of any other way to get a little better SD picture.

Brandon, I think you have the Motorola 3416 STB as well. How is your SD PQ?

Anybody else had luck with a decent SD picture?
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