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post #1261 of 11990
I am a nebie to this forum and first of all would like to thank everyone for the very informative information they post here - it helped me decide to purchase the 52" Xbr5 which I will be receiving next week. I'm also considering purchasing a receiver.

My question is: The salesman who sold me the TV told me that I should connect pieces to the TV directly (i.e. not through a receiver) because the receiver may not do a great job of passing through the signal to the TV.

For now, I'll mainly have a directv HDDVR and eventually I'll get a blue Ray. Can anyone tell me is it better to connect those directly to the TV via HDMI or should I go to a receiver (and then onto the TV via HDMI)? Or does the answer depend on the exact receiver?

Thanks for any help - I'm a little confused on this!
post #1262 of 11990
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Originally Posted by schlick View Post

Am I correct that you have no other HDMI devices? If this is the case, you can't swap to another device to check if it behaves the same way. So I'd start by trying a different hdmi input on the tv. Also, are you using a reasonable quality cable? If the problem persists, then start looking at any menu options associated with hdmi on the dvr and the TV.

Hope this helps somewhat.
Schlick

Yes that is correct. I only have DVR vip722 hooked up to tv.
I borrowed the hdmi cable from friend who got this cable
with Philips upconverting DVD player. I believe it should
be a reasonable quality cable.
I am planning to try different tv inputs (other hdmi's, possibly try component video) and try other sources (my hp laptop has hdmi out). I will do that later in the evening,
but meanwhile if you folks have any suggestions, let me know.
post #1263 of 11990
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Originally Posted by R.MnTnA View Post

1. Yes , but it depends on your video card that is in your mac on what the highest resolution it can do.
2. Yes, again same as above
3. Yes
4. Yes and if you'd like to maybe enhance the text the XBR's have Game/Text mode found under Home Menu and Video options.

Thank you very much! I am going to buy the 40xBr4 tomorrow.
post #1264 of 11990
Just got my 46XBR4. Bought it on Monday at FutureShop in Windsor and got delivered it yesterday which is Thursday.

I'll post some impressions later on and some pics as well.

Can someone post some settings they are using for the PS3 & 360 through the HDMI ??
post #1265 of 11990
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Originally Posted by MisterAnderson View Post

I am a nebie to this forum and first of all would like to thank everyone for the very informative information they post here - it helped me decide to purchase the 52" Xbr5 which I will be receiving next week. I'm also considering purchasing a receiver.

My question is: The salesman who sold me the TV told me that I should connect pieces to the TV directly (i.e. not through a receiver) because the receiver may not do a great job of passing through the signal to the TV.

For now, I'll mainly have a directv HDDVR and eventually I'll get a blue Ray. Can anyone tell me is it better to connect those directly to the TV via HDMI or should I go to a receiver (and then onto the TV via HDMI)? Or does the answer depend on the exact receiver?

Thanks for any help - I'm a little confused on this!


Where do you live and where did your buy your set from?
post #1266 of 11990
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post

Good to hear. This is the one that I've earmarked to use when/if my set comes in.

You might check that color temp setting. Cool is awfully high, thus blue. Check to see if blacks are really navy blue and if whites have a blue cast. It can look good and punchy set at cool, but it won't be accurate. Lew
post #1267 of 11990
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Originally Posted by Lew Black View Post

You might check that color temp setting. Cool is awfully high, thus blue. Check to see if blacks are really navy blue and if whites have a blue cast. It can look good and punchy set at cool, but it won't be accurate. Lew

Thanks, Lew.

What setting instead of COOL did you find is more accurate?
post #1268 of 11990
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Originally Posted by kraiggers View Post

You might be just as likely to see it during any live-event close up. I saw it whenever they zoomed in on a player's face during the US Open Tennis coverage as well...


I just witnessed this anomaly after downloading the DrillBit Taylor trailer from the PSN store via the PS3. In a couple of early closeups there was smearing of the face. I looked at some old trailers I downloaded a while ago (with higher bitrates) and witnesses none of this during closeups. I wonder what this is about...

Brandon
post #1269 of 11990
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post

Thanks, Lew.

What setting instead of COOL did you find is more accurate?

As you move from cool to neutral to warm 1 and warm 2, the color temperature will drop. Warm 2 may look a little red, warm 1 may be close. COMA426 came up with neutral using an Avia disc. That still sounds blue, but the disc should show that to him, so who am I to question his setting? The main thing: he had a method and wasn't just adjusting to what looked good to his eye. Her is a link to the calibration thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=893076&page=1

Read through it for some good advice, but look for people who have used a set up disc or electronics. Lew
post #1270 of 11990
Thanks
post #1271 of 11990
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post

The variables involved in all the settings is good to some extent, but overall it's too complicated and variable; even from one set to another. How else can you explain why Bob uses motion enhancement to get rid of a problem and Tom turns it off to get rid of the same problem??

You would think that if Sony could invent and build a digital processing engine like Bravia and sophisticated componenets like motion enhancement and 10-bit color, that they could also make these sets less "trial and error" when it domes to end-user setup. Spending 3-4 hours trying to get the green out of the blacks only to find out you screwed up your refresh settings you had working perfect before is a joke.

I couldn't agree more! I like the flexibility with the wide range of settings so my real complaint is why some of the settings need to be such a mystery. I would have no problem going in and setting my personal preference for something like "Cinemotion" if Sony could tell me exactly what the heck Cinemotion, Auto1, Auto2, etc. really means??? The flexibility should be there for personal preference but understanding the effect and impact of each setting shouldn't be like cracking a code.
post #1272 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

I just witnessed this anomaly after downloading the DrillBit Taylor trailer from the PSN store via the PS3. In a couple of early closeups there was smearing of the face. I looked at some old trailers I downloaded a while ago (with higher bitrates) and witnesses none of this during closeups. I wonder what this is about...

I don't know, Brandon. Very odd. I wonder if it is something that is present in the signal, and I just never noticed it before because my old TV was literally half the size of the 52. I also see it sometimes on dark hair; ladies pony tails, for example. But, so far only on live events.

HD TV shows/movies look Drop. Dead. Gorgeous.

And the night-time shots of Indianapolis last night during the game -- wow. Nice deep dark blacks, with crystal clarity. Very impressive.

It has surprised me how quickly the 52" size has become 'normal'. I thought it would feel 'big' for awhile... My 32" den LCD now feels *really* small, though...

The only thing I've noticed lately besides the smearing is that the screen is so big, sitting on one side of the couch versus the other affects the perception of the backlight slightly. It isn't clouding; if I sit on the right side, I see slightly increased brightness (ie less dark blacks) on the left edge. If I move to the left side, I see the same thing on the right edge. It is only uniform if I sit at or close to the middle of the TV. Not really a problem, just an interesting observation.

I have a new respect for the PQ of tubes. My old Sony 34HS510 has a damn good picture. Better, in some respects, than the xbr4. It's just so small, and ridiculously heavy...

That being said, I'm still very very impressed with the xbr4. It is as good as the tube almost all the time, which I didn't really expect to be the case. It is slightly weaker with the darkness of letter-boxing, but is better, of course, due to being bigger, and playing 1080p with my HTPC.

Bravo, Sony, Bravo.

kraiggers.
post #1273 of 11990
Guys, I watch tv on 46XBR4, so I thought I would ask my question here:

Is there any difference in hd pq when it comes from the basic cable directly from the wall and when that cable first goes to cable box and then to the tv?

It seems to me that there is a difference. But if so, could you explain why.

I have just basic cable with no box and some hd channels look pretty bad in fast motion (NBC in fast scenes looks very bad. Must be their compression rate). So does the cable box/receiver make the signal better? How?
post #1274 of 11990
just got my 40'' xbr4, and got some clouds with it too
post #1275 of 11990
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Originally Posted by Stavs16 View Post

just got my 40'' xbr4, and got some clouds with it too

Clouds in picture sequences or on blank input?
post #1276 of 11990
I'm still waiting for my 52XBR4 (bought it from Sony Only a few weeks ago, and they only have a shipping date of "sometime in September"), but in the meantime I thought I'd install my wall mount. I tried to search for wall mounting tips, but couldn't find any relavent threads... anyone have any idea how high the TV should be installed? I'm looking at about a 10' viewing distance (I know... TVs a little big for the room, but at least it'll be impressive ).

What's standard practice? Do I mount the TV so the center is at eye level, or a little bit higher? The mount I have tilts 6 degrees down as well (mounts the TV only 2.5" from the wall). Also, how does the TV sit in relation to the wall mount (ie: is the center of the mount the center of the TV, or a little bit lower than the TV's center)? I realize that mounts will vary a bit, but they all should be similar, shouldnt they?

My mount is a Sanus VMPL3B btw. Thanks!
post #1277 of 11990
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Originally Posted by hosko View Post

I think your using vivid, change it to one of the other settings and you should be able to change the settings.

Vivd really should be called "crappy showroom mode"

True!
post #1278 of 11990
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Originally Posted by Stavs16 View Post

just got my 40'' xbr4, and got some clouds with it too

You better start tuning. There are many here that reported clouds at first but after a few days of messing with different sources the clouds went away.
post #1279 of 11990
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Originally Posted by MisterAnderson View Post

I am a nebie to this forum and first of all would like to thank everyone for the very informative information they post here - it helped me decide to purchase the 52" Xbr5 which I will be receiving next week. I'm also considering purchasing a receiver.

My question is: The salesman who sold me the TV told me that I should connect pieces to the TV directly (i.e. not through a receiver) because the receiver may not do a great job of passing through the signal to the TV.

For now, I'll mainly have a directv HDDVR and eventually I'll get a blue Ray. Can anyone tell me is it better to connect those directly to the TV via HDMI or should I go to a receiver (and then onto the TV via HDMI)? Or does the answer depend on the exact receiver?

Thanks for any help - I'm a little confused on this!

That's what I'm going to do.

Direct HDMI to one of the HDMI inputs on my HDTV. And another HDMI for audio/video to my receiver. The video mode to the receiver will only be used for on-screen tuning (for my receiver's settings). But when I need to watch tv, I'll just go back to the direct HMDI.
post #1280 of 11990
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Originally Posted by seashell View Post

Hello, I have a question for my fellow XBR4 owners. (I also posted a very similar message in the XB4 vs 71 thread.)

I recently picked up a 52XBR4 and noticed something that really annoys me, and I'm hoping you can help me with some settings to turn it off.

When you have a screen that is mostly dark, the XBR4 will automatically dim it after a few seconds, first on a gradual ramp, and then it will suddenly pop to a much darker state at the end of the ramp.

I noticed this when using it as a computer monitor. When I would open a terminal with a black background that filled most of the screen, the XBR would dim the picture to the point that the text was pretty hard to read. The terminal had to be almost filled with text to get it brighten back up. I tried it with a black desktop as well, and it did the same thing, even though I have task bars and a few picture thumbnails / icons scattered around the desktop.

This makes it really hard to use as a computer monitor if you like darker backgrounds.

I also played the Aliens DVD, and the exact same behavior happened at the beginning. Every time a credit would come on the screen would pop bright, and when the credit left the screen (and stars) would fade, the pop up again. Created a really annoying floating black level, and caused the space background to kind of pop in and out of visibility. (It was never completely invisible.)

This is with every setting I could find turned off (things like black enhance, light sensor, power save, advanced CE, white enhance - ok some names are wrong and there are more, but nothing seems to make any difference.) Video mode was custom.

If anyone knows how to turn this off please let me know.

Seashell,
Go over the XBR2 and XBR3 Clouding discussion and search on Auto Dimming. It was introduced by Sony as a part of the software patch issued for those sets, at least this is when folks first started noticing it. With that patch, turning brightness to a level of 50 or more seemed to turn it off. With the XBR4, I don't think that works any more. I've seen it a couple of times on the 46 XBR4 I have. The dimming starts about 5 seconds after the screen is displayed. Have not seen the impact on movies such as Sin City, or Descent yet.. Something I think that has to be lived with. It would be nice if you could adjust the timing to say 10 seconds though.. a user setting perhaps?

Jay S.
post #1281 of 11990
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Originally Posted by edwyun View Post

Ditto. the auto dim feature is set to "off" on my XBR4. However, when I switch inputs, for example, the picture seems to dim slightly and then go on its merry way.

Edwyn,
How did you turn the auto dimming off? Combination of Brightness and ACE? Thanks..

Jay S.
post #1282 of 11990
I've never noticed a problem with me set untill yesterday



now then the screen is black I notice there is light on the corners of the screen and it's pretty obvious


this was never there before
post #1283 of 11990
I just got my XBR4...I will post settings soon, but I am pretty much using gordong11's setting, except neutral instead of cool and a tad more brightness. How come so many use Warm2? It looks too red too me. Anyway, my problem is that the reds are more of an orange red, and sometimes it seems people's faces have patches of yellow. Anyone with similar problems?
post #1284 of 11990
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Originally Posted by JayS99 View Post

Seashell,
Go over the XBR2 and XBR3 Clouding discussion and search on Auto Dimming. It was introduced by Sony as a part of the software patch issued for those sets, at least this is when folks first started noticing it. With that patch, turning brightness to a level of 50 or more seemed to turn it off. With the XBR4, I don't think that works any more.

I tried the brightness over 50 to no effect. I think it's a permanent "feature" of these sets. Sadly since I do intend to use it as a computer monitor as well as a TV, and tend to do a lot of command line work on black terminals, it's a killer for me. I can't have the screen keep dimming my text to near invisibility.

I hate when manufacturers force stuff like this on people. How hard would it have been to have a setting to really turn this off. I mean what's one more setting amongst the 30 or so already on the set.

I'm just going to return it.
post #1285 of 11990
I got home my Samsung 1200 BD player, it's very cool. 1080p/24 is solid with the XBR4. I'm happy, format neutral, finally. The only negatives is the the XA2 is much better at upconverting SD-DVD, and that the remote is horrible. people say the XA2 has a bad remote, but even more unhappy with the sammy to the point where I'm happy to have the XA2's remote. I need to get a BD title, the same as an HD DVD title I own, and take pics to draw more solid conclusions.
post #1286 of 11990
Hello,
I am a newbie and thank this forum for great advice, including XBR3 clouding thread that convinced me to wait for the XBR3 clouding problem to be resolved.
That issue no longer matters for the 3's, with the XBR4 & 5's now shipping.

Yet, now that the XBR4 & 5's are here, I still do not trust Sony completely.

How can I test a new set at home for the mura issue, while it is still within the return period, please? Thank you very, very much
post #1287 of 11990
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Originally Posted by HD-Gaming View Post

now then the screen is black I notice there is light on the corners of the screen and it's pretty obvious

I have the same light in corners of my 46XBR4. Turning the backlight down helped very slightly but having the backlight too low affects PQ in my opinion. I find the lighting in the corners to be very annoying, especially because I still watch a lot of boxed SD programs, so I'm still trying to determine if this problem is a serious enough defect that would warrant returning the TV.
post #1288 of 11990
Just got the 52xbr4.. awesome set. Picked it up for a steal at cc.
anyhows. Is the bezel replaceable on this model??? I told my wife that is was and she let me buy if ONLY if i could change it to BLUE. I remember the old xbr2's having a replaceable bezel. So i might be in deep Sh*t if i cant find it in blue!!! Its not on sonystyle either. Any one know???
post #1289 of 11990
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Originally Posted by JayS99 View Post

Edwyn,
How did you turn the auto dimming off? Combination of Brightness and ACE? Thanks..

XMB>Settings>General>Light Sensor.
post #1290 of 11990
I just brought home a 40XBR4....watching it for the first 10 minutes....is that bathroom toilet running way back in the house....no......is that the airconditioner cycling....no....stand up....from the TV....grab the remote...turn off the XBR....sound gone.

Ear to the beast....yup in the left corner...there is a fan going.....ear on XBR...noise in ear....turn off the TV.....I hear the spin down....No question its a fan.

Now I am hyper sensitives to fans...this sounds like a 1 inch fan that is used over a Northbridge Chip on a PC motherboard.....Its defiantly about that size. I should know I removed mine from my PC....put on a 10 dollar Zelmann heatsink. I sure wish Sony would have just used the large heatsink instead.

How the F did nobody ever mention this. I have not seen a single comment on this....and I have read. The back of my TV says August 2007, so I don't know if I have a new or old revision of the motherboard.

I heard it from 8 feet away, and while I am sensitive....I would say in this regard no more than any other AVSforum reader who did not expect to have Fans. The sound is of a 1 inch fan....a 3 or 4 inch low speed fan would be silent.....this one sounds like a tiny motor....which of course it is.

Anyone else have fans on their XBR4....anyone else notice this? I was shocked.....as I would have expected someone else to have said....we got fans....3 weeks into the release.

This actually could be a deal breaker for me.....Those little fans do in fact die....4 years from now the fan dying while still be a quality fan....not out of the question. Little noise going right at dead silence as we wait for Jaws to strike....not acceptable. I am actually in shock there is fan in there.....nobody said it, and its obvious.....to me at least
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