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post #2161 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bilbo3660 View Post

There is no perfect technology. Plasma and LCD each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Anyone looking to spend $4 grand, or whatever their price point, will weigh these attributes and make a decision based on what is most important to him. Not me. I just flipped a coin: heads was plasma, tails was LCD.

It looks like you are getting buyers remorse just a few days before taking delivery and want some hand holding and affirmation that you made the right decision. C'mon, suck it up. Don't get all wobbly now. You made the right decision.

Thanks, bilbo,

No buyers remorse. Its just that I keep seeing folks return sets for all sorts of things and asking if they should or shouldn't return or exchange. Kinda like a strange version of "Let's Make a Deal" If that were me and I was on my Nth LCD set due to whatever reason, I would flush LCD and go Plasma.

Just wonder what keeps people on the LCD train.

BTW, Consumer Reports came out today and they tested LCDs and Plasma sets. They said that the Panny 700U 50" 1080p plasma set was the best tv they had ever tested. They only tested the Sony 46s3000 and rated it very high.They didn't test the higher-end sets such as the xbr class.

That's one of the things about CR that bugs me. If someone were to pick up that mag., they would think that the S-series is the best LCD Sony has to offer. They have no problem testing Lexus, Mercedes Benz, Porche, etc., but when it comes to electronic and applicances, you really have to do your own homework because most of the time they rate models that you can buy at Costco or Sam's and aren't representative of higher-end sets.

Hopefully, I'll get me 52xbr5 tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.
post #2162 of 11990
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Originally Posted by twilleyj View Post

Are you kidding me?! 8\\16\\2007
Cancel your order and call Chris at Cleveland Plasma!
He's a supporter of these forums, and fantastic to purchase from.

Don't sit there waiting... waiting sucks.

Yeah, I preordered my 52xbr5 right when the xbr4s were shipping. Sony didn't start shipping the 52xbr5s from Sony Style til about 10 days ago. The lady at Sony Style said that online and B&M dealers won't start getting theirs until about 2 weeks after SS started shipping theirs. Cleveland plasma doesn't even have them yet. Kind of an incentive to buy direct from SS I guess, but I'm trying to be patient.
post #2163 of 11990
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post

Thanks, bilbo,

No buyers remorse. Its just that I keep seeing folks return sets for all sorts of things and asking if they should or shouldn't return or exchange. Kinda like a strange version of "Let's Make a Deal" If that were me and I was on my Nth LCD set due to whatever reason, I would flush LCD and go Plasma.

Just wonder what keeps people on the LCD train.

BTW, Consumer Reports came out today and they tested LCDs and Plasma sets. They said that the Panny 700U 50" 1080p plasma set was the best tv they had ever tested. They only tested the Sony 46s3000 and rated it very high.They didn't test the higher-end sets such as the xbr class.

That's one of the things about CR that bugs me. If someone were to pick up that mag., they would think that the S-series is the best LCD Sony has to offer. They have no problem testing Lexus, Mercedes Benz, Porche, etc., but when it comes to electronic and applicances, you really have to do your own homework because most of the time they rate models that you can buy at Costco or Sam's and aren't representative of higher-end sets.

Hopefully, I'll get me 52xbr5 tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.

I'm a fan of CR and have the copy you reference. They love the panny and that's fine with me. I'm not an LCD fanboy who is going to get bent out of shape. The articles in the mag are from tests done 2 - 3 months ago so the XBR4/5 wasn't out yet.

The primary reason I'm getting LCD is I prefer the brighter PQ, it's punch. It just looks a little better to me. I've gone out comparison shopping with a friend who has a 50" panny and he swears plasma looks better. That's ok. I've gone with my wife and she thinks LCD's look a little better too.

I'm a glass half-full kind of guy so reading this thread I see a lot of people happy with their sets and I'm expecting a problem-free set too. If I should have a little clouding I think it will be so minor that I won't see it in anything I'm watching. I don't plan to stare at a black screen.

I initially missed your point about the LCD train. I too have wondered why someone would return a set 4 or 5 times. If my second set was also faulty I would move on to another brand. If I found three or four LCD brands unacceptable I would move on to plasma. Maybe these people are more optimistic than me!
post #2164 of 11990
Well ladies and gents, the review is in:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...g=links;review

Some notable quotables:

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The good: Excellent black-level performance for an LCD; accurate color; 120Hz processing smoothes judder in motion; fine screen uniformity and off-angle viewing for an LCD; numerous picture controls; solid connectivity with three HDMI inputs and one PC input; distinctive "floating glass" design; interchangeable bezel color option.

The bad: Expensive; benefits of 120Hz blur-reduction hard to discern; smooth motion seems unnatural for film-based material and introduces some artifacts; main menu system kludgy to operate; many picture adjustments seem unnecessary and/or harmful.

The bottom line: Although not quite as impressive as the best plasmas, the 46-inch Sony KDL-46XBR4 outperforms any flat-panel LCD we've tested so far.

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Editors' Note 09-27-07: While we were certainly impressed by the picture quality of this Sony, we're holding off on awarding our Editors' Choice among flat-panel LCDs until we've had a chance to evaluate more of the competition, including the LN-T81F series of LED-powered flat-panels from Samsung

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Performance
Considering the many aspects of picture quality, the Sony KDL-46XBR4 is the best-performing flat-panel LCD we've tested, outperforming the former king of the hill, Samsung's LN-T4665F, by a few thick hairs. We awarded that set an "8" in performance and the Sony gets the same score since it still falls short of the "9" we awarded to the Pioneer PDP-5080HD. Contributing to the KDL-46XBR's impressive picture quality are deep black levels, accurate color and solid video processing, although its standard-def performance could use some improvement.

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Black levels and color: First up was a look at the Sony's black-level performance, and it didn't disappoint. According to our measurements the KDL-46XBR4 produces a deeper shade of black than any LCD we've tested so far, edging out the former LCD champ, Sharp's LC-52D92U, by a hair, although blacks were still lighter than the overall champ, Pioneer's PDP-5080HD plasma. In Flags the Sony's black-level superiority over the other three sets was readily apparent in dark areas, such as the letterbox bars, Ryan Phillippe's black sailor suit, and the shadows of the apartment when he takes the drunk Adam Beach indoors. Details in shadows were as good as we've seen on any LCD, although again we felt the 5080HD had a slight advantage in showing the outline of Phillippe's face in the dark, for example.

As always the deep blacks lent punch to colors, and the Sony exhibited very good color accuracy overall, from its nearly spot-on grayscale to its primary and secondary colors. Skin tones, such as the massed faces of the reporters mobbing the military men, looked accurate and realistic, although we felt the FHD1 had a slight edge. The KDL-52XBR4 tended to get slightly bluish in the midtones, which washed out some of the reporters' faces a bit, for example, but the Sony was again better overall than the other three sets (including the 5080HD).The greens of the shrubs inside the Drake hotel looked natural and lush, as did the bushes outside the apartment building.

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Video processing: We spent a good deal of time looking at various scenes and how they were affected by the Sony's 120Hz processing, and in general the set did a better job smoothing things out and still keeping them looking natural than the Toshiba, and both 120Hz LCDs severely outclassed the Pioneer's Smooth mode. Notably, unlike the Toshiba, you can't get antiblur 120Hz processing in the Sony without also engaging "smooth" processing, which may disappoint people highly sensitive to blur who don't want the smoothness.

This bit is remarkably similar to what I reported earlier in this thread about the ESPN crawl:

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The reduction of blur during motion is supposedly another strength of 120Hz processing, but as with the Toshiba we found it hard to find a real instance where the mode cleaned up blurring considerably compared to the 60Hz Sharp. The most obvious example we saw was during ESPNHD's ticker, where the moving white-on-black words appeared slightly less blurry when we engaged the mode. People highly sensitive to motion blur might see more obvious examples in program material, but we did not during our testing.

This is a very interesting part which I cannot duplicate in any of my testing:

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We didn't notice much difference, if any, feeding the Sony the 1080p/24 signal from our Toshiba while watching Flags, and the smooth processing produced similar results in all modes regardless of which 1,080-resolution source we chose. The Sony looked very sharp on all scenes, although not noticeably more- or less-so than any of the TVs we watched alongside--including the 1,366x768 resolution PDP-5080HD, which looked every bit as sharp as the 1080p Sony. Turning to test patterns, the Sony resolved every line of the 1080i and 1080p horizontal resolution charts from the Sencore VP403. Like most HDTVs we've tested, it properly de-nterlaced 1080i video content and failed to do so with 1080i film-based content. We found it difficult to spot this failure in other program material; even the RV grille from Chapter 9 of Ghost rider, which often reveals improper deinterlacing, didn't betray any artifacts. In case you're keeping track, the set failed the 1080i film deinterlacing test regardless of whether 120Hz was engaged or not, and choosing either of the two DRC modes actually made the pattern and the pan around Raymond James stadium look worse, with more artifacts, edge enhancement and moiré.

It's also worth noting that both the 1080i deinterlacing test and the pan over Raymond James stadium from the HQV Blu-ray and HD DVD discs looked markedly worse, with more judder and artifacts, when viewed in 1080p/24 mode than in standard 1080i or 1080p/60 modes from the Toshiba and the Samsung BD-P1200. In a nutshell, then, we recommend going into the Sony via 1080p/60 or, if that's not an option, standard 1080i with DRC turned Off.

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Although most cable and satellite boxes convert standard-def sources to HD resolutions (and many, when set to output HD at all, must perform this upconversion), which can make a TV's standard-def processing a moot issue, we still put the KDL-46XBR4 through our gamut of standard-def tests using the HQV disc on DVD connected via component video at 480i. It did an average job overall. In general, setting DRC to Mode 1--the only one available with 480i sources--or leaving it turned Off made little difference, although if we had to choose, we'd pick the slightly softer, more forgiving (with low-quality SD sources) look of Off. The Sony did resolve every detail of the DVD, and the shot of the stone bridge and grass looked as sharp as we'd expect. On the other hand, the set failed to remove jagged edges from the moving diagonal lines or the stripes of the waving American flag. The KDL-46XBR4's noise reduction was superb, removing progressively more moving motes and other interference from the low-quality shots of skies and sunsets as we increased the setting from Off to High. DRC did matter during the 2:3 pulldown test; the set passed when we turned DRC off but failed when we engaged it, leaving those telltale curved lines of moiré in the grandstands behind the racecar.

You HTPC guys and computer monitor guys will be happy about this:

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As a PC monitor, the Sony KDL-46XBR4 performed like a champ. According to DisplayMate, it resolved every detail of 1,920x1,080 sources via both analog VGA and digital HDMI inputs, text looked crisp, and there was no overscan. The only difference we noticed between the analog and digital connections was some very faint interference in the highest-frequency areas of the horizontal resolution test pattern; we didn't notice it in any other areas or normal PC content.

Here is a link to their calibration settings for testing: http://help.cnet.com/9602-12576_39-0...sageID=2510365

Brandon
post #2165 of 11990
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Originally Posted by vumcrab View Post


BTW, Consumer Reports came out today and they tested LCDs and Plasma sets. They said that the Panny 700U 50" 1080p plasma set was the best tv they had ever tested. They only tested the Sony 46s3000 and rated it very high.They didn't test the higher-end sets such as the xbr class.

That's one of the things about CR that bugs me. If someone were to pick up that mag., they would think that the S-series is the best LCD Sony has to offer. They have no problem testing Lexus, Mercedes Benz, Porche, etc., but when it comes to electronic and applicances, you really have to do your own homework because most of the time they rate models that you can buy at Costco or Sam's and aren't representative of higher-end sets.

Hopefully, I'll get me 52xbr5 tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.

That's one of the problems I have with CR as well. Whenever i want to look up the testing on a new set of car tires or home appliance, it's a crapshoot as to whether or not they have gotten their hands on the product I want, even if it's a high brand name product at the top of it's class. Also the rankings are outdated sometimes as soon as they come out because of the lag time to get them published and the turnover of new technology.

I don't blame them too much though, considering their budget issues. But they could be a lot more valuable of a service.

Brandon
post #2166 of 11990
I just treated myself to a brand new 46xbr4 which i picked up yesterday; just set it up today and ya know what? There are about 4 dead pixel's scattered through out the LCD and they are'nt to obvious neither; these dead pixel would flash on and off depending upon what was being displayed and in this case it was the "Jeff Corwin exp." in HD. Kind of sadden but im just going to return it for another one.....I'll try and post some the pro's and cons on this one while i still have it and compare it the next one....brb
post #2167 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Well ladies and gents, the review is in:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...g=links;review

Some notable quotables:











This bit is remarkably similar to what I reported earlier in this thread about the ESPN crawl:



This is a very interesting part which I cannot duplicate in any of my testing:





You HTPC guys and computer monitor guys will be happy about this:



Here is a link to their calibration settings for testing: http://help.cnet.com/9602-12576_39-0...sageID=2510365

Brandon

You left out:

"... In short, while the backlight on the KDL-46XBR4 we reviewed was about as uniform as any LCD we've ever tested, we can't guarantee all the XBR4s in the field will fare as well. Our sample's screen remained even in all but the darkest fields, where we noticed that the left and right sides of the screen appeared slightly lighter than the middle. This effect wasn't noticeable on letterbox bars but only on the very darkest scenes, such as the black behind rolling credits or a scene from the Caves episode of Planet Earth where the screen was mostly black aside from a small pinpoint of helmet light. With an LCD this expensive, it's worth mentioning that the Pioneers, and indeed all plasmas we've tested, exhibited essentially perfect uniformity."
post #2168 of 11990
Does the Sony KDL-46XBR4 accept 1080p over component or is that only the 52" model like the last gen xbr2? thanks
post #2169 of 11990
yes, 1080p over component on every size
post #2170 of 11990
I went to Best Buy the other day and was checking out the xbr4. Beautiful picture. A salesman eventually came over and we started speaking about these sets and he told me that the xbr5 that will come out later will be a slight upgrade from the xbr4.

I told him that I thought the only diference was the piano finish on the bezel and he insisted that this was not true. He stated that just like the xbr3 the xbr5 will have slightly better circuitry compared to the xbr4 to reduce noise.

Is this true or is this guy full of it?
post #2171 of 11990
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by visual insanity View Post

I went to Best Buy the other day and was checking out the xbr4. Beautiful picture. A salesman eventually came over and we started speaking about these sets and he told me that the xbr5 that will come out later will be a slight upgrade from the xbr4.

I told him that I thought the only diference was the piano finish on the bezel and he insisted that this was not true. He stated that just like the xbr3 the xbr5 will have slightly better circuitry compared to the xbr4 to reduce noise.

Is this true or is this guy full of it?

Full of it, piano black and I think a network jack. That's it.
post #2172 of 11990
Thread Starter 
I updated the first post to include the CNET review.

I also sent the reviewer an email about horizontal banding. Which it seems I'm the only one who has the problem. lol That's a good thing though in the grand scheme of things.
post #2173 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

Full of it, piano black and I think a network jack. That's it.

3 differneces between xbr4 and xbr5:

piano black finish
RS-232 Network connection
1.5 years warranty
post #2174 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

That's one of the problems I have with CR as well. Whenever i want to look up the testing on a new set of car tires or home appliance, it's a crapshoot as to whether or not they have gotten their hands on the product I want, even if it's a high brand name product at the top of it's class. Also the rankings are outdated sometimes as soon as they come out because of the lag time to get them published and the turnover of new technology.

I don't blame them too much though, considering their budget issues. But they could be a lot more valuable of a service.

Brandon

Thanks for posting the review. It gives one a lot to think about. I guess the moral of the story is that the XBR4 isn't perfect but it's as close to perfect as you can possibly get from an LCD right now. I'm glad I went with it, all things considered it's the best TV for me, right now.
post #2175 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

I updated the first post to include the CNET review.

I also sent the reviewer an email about horizontal banding. Which it seems I'm the only one who has the problem. lol That's a good thing though in the grand scheme of things.

I also sent him an email. I've had good luck with CNet people responding rather quickly in the past so I hope to hear back from him this morning. Please let us know if you hear back from him.

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Originally Posted by EADGBE View Post

Thanks for posting the review. It gives one a lot to think about. I guess the moral of the story is that the XBR4 isn't perfect but it's as close to perfect as you can possibly get from an LCD right now. I'm glad I went with it, all things considered it's the best TV for me, right now.

Indeed it is not perfect. However it is a very promising review as it received a score of 8.3, which bests the previous LCD king Samsung 65 (8.0). It's a pretty thorough review as well and seems to fall in line with some of my impressions (especially regarding picture clarity/sharpness, black levels and color accuracy).

I'm very interested in their review of the Samsung models now (both 71 and 81). I'm sure they are too as they make a direct reference to the 81 series which is the only thing holding them back from giving the XBR4 their Editor's Choice award.

Brandon
post #2176 of 11990
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Originally Posted by visual insanity View Post

He stated that just like the xbr3 the xbr5 will have slightly better circuitry compared to the xbr4 to reduce noise.

Is this true or is this guy full of it?

Not only is he wrong about the XBR5 vs XBR4, but he's completely full of it regarding the XBR3 vs the XBR2. We'll just say he's 0 for 2 at this point.

Brandon
post #2177 of 11990
Apparently I did not buy the perfect TV. One dead pixel. You can't notice it from a proper viewing distance of course, but I'm still thinking about exchanging it. Just on principle.
post #2178 of 11990
Here is an excerpt of the email response I got from David Katzmaier, the reviewer of the XBR4 on Cnet.com:

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I used the same disc as you did, HQV's standard test for 1080i de-interlacing of film-based content (film resolution loss test). I just tried it with the PS3, on the chance that playback device would make a difference, but the results were the same as with the other two players I mentioned: failure regardless of picture mode used on the TV.

I interpret failure strictly according to the definition printed inside the HQV disc: the edges of the boxes have vertical bands. The edges of the highest-resolution boxes on the Sony betrayed evinced vertical bands in the highest-resolution squares, and flicker in another set of squares. Compared to my reference PRO-FHD1, which de-interlaced 1080i perfectly, that's a fail.

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As for your second question about 1080p/24, you are correct. I was wrong to use HQV, a 1080i/30 source, to evaluate 1080p/24 performance, and I have updated the review to remove that test and explain the mistake.

Here's the text of the update:

Update 09-28-07: When this review first published, we mentioned a test involving the HQV Blu-ray disc that criticized the appearance of 1080p/24 sources. That test was incorrect, and as a result we see no reason to avoid using 1080p/24 mode with film-based sources on the Sony KDL-46XBR4.

Brandon
post #2179 of 11990
Can someone explain why this is the case:
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Like most HDTVs we've tested, it properly de-nterlaced 1080i video content and failed to do so with 1080i film-based content. We found it difficult to spot this failure in other program material; even the RV grille from Chapter 9 of Ghost rider, which often reveals improper deinterlacing, didn't betray any artifacts.

I see this constantly! Why is it so difficult to deinterlace 1080i film as opposed to 1080i video? Obviously it must be a more complex procedure, but they've had years to work this out and it seems to be the case on almost every HDTV.
post #2180 of 11990
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Here is an excerpt of the email response I got from David Katzmaier, the reviewer of the XBR4 on Cnet.com:





Brandon

Wow he got back to you fast. Still waiting on mine.
post #2181 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Here is an excerpt of the email response I got from David Katzmaier, the reviewer of the XBR4 on Cnet.com:





Brandon

Thanks, good job on getting his response. I was going to ask him that myself. Anyway, the 1080p/24 from the blu-ray works perfectly for me.
post #2182 of 11990
Where would i find 1080i film, would an example of this be like watching HBO/SHO HD?

Or is this only with HD-DVD 1080i movies?
post #2183 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Not only is he wrong about the XBR5 vs XBR4, but he's completely full of it regarding the XBR3 vs the XBR2. We'll just say he's 0 for 2 at this point.

Brandon

Are the real technological differences spelled out anywhere as to what they do? The only tech difference I see is the RS-232 port...
post #2184 of 11990
Well, my 46XBR4 finally arrived...did some initial callibration based on the AVS callibration thread for the XBR4...and it is Awesome!!!

I see no clouding/mura....but I'll keep a look out...the display seems fine...

Got the PS3 with the System 1.93 update...with the new ability to output the BD Movies @ 1080p24p...and MonoPrice HMDI 1.3 cable...Casino Royale and 300 look great....Virtua Tennis 3, Virtua Fighter 5, and Grand Turismo HD also look great. Also saw some nice 1080p Trailers from the Playstation store(Ironman, Get Smart, National Treasure: Book of Secrets, Transformers).

I am gonna do some more fine tuning on the callibration...but the TV is great...I'll try to post picks
post #2185 of 11990
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Originally Posted by twilleyj View Post

Are you kidding me?! 8\\16\\2007
Cancel your order and call Chris at Cleveland Plasma!
He's a supporter of these forums, and fantastic to purchase from.

Don't sit there waiting... waiting sucks.

Agree, my experience with Chris was great, alittle more paperwork/faxing than purchasing at a big store, but so far I rate my personal experience in the "I will do it again" level.
post #2186 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Here is an excerpt of the email response I got from David Katzmaier, the reviewer of the XBR4 on Cnet.com:





Brandon

Brandon -

Thanks for alerting us to the review & your correspondence with Katzmaier.

I noticed that his 46"XBR4 settings are for a dark room - in your email to him did you happen to ask how his settings would change for a lighted room?
post #2187 of 11990
Thread Starter 
David Katzmaier just sent me a response back. It's great to see someone who does these reviews and actually takes the time to respond.

Here is what I wrote:

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Great review of the Sony 46XBR4. My question is if during your review
you noticed any horizontal banding? I've have owned two 46XBR4 sets
from the same Circuit City that have displayed it. I'm currently
watching the Battlestar Galactica series on DVD and have noticed it a
lot because of the camera panning used in the show. I did a dark grey
screen test using the Windows Vista desktop and noticed the bands would
move as you adjust your backlight setting up and down. They are about
two inches wide with smaller 1/2 inch wide brighter bands. It's very
weird almost as if the backlight is causing the banding not the panel.
It's not as noticeable as the Sharp sets because playing Halo 3 and
Heavenly Sword I rarely notice it unless I go looking for it. It seems
the dark gritty style of Galactica shows it more then the games that
have more visual punch to them. Look forward to hearing from you.

Here is what David wrote back:
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Thanks for your compliments, and I really appreciate your careful
observations. I'm looking forward to hearing from more readers on
whether these sets exhibit the same kind of issues as last year's models
did.

For what it's worth, as I mentioned in the review, the XBR4 I reviewed
was essentially free of banding or any other serious backlight
uniformity issues. That's all I can say for now, and the model I
reviewed is the only one I've seen with my own eyes, so it's the only
one I can comment on.

So as far as banding is concerned it could be one of a couple things.

1) My Circuit City happened to get a bad batch of sets. Which is possible because the one set they tried to give me was damaged in shipping.

2) David got a cherry picked set from Sony but there are others out there with the same problem.

3) I'm picky as hell.
post #2188 of 11990
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Originally Posted by twilleyj View Post

There can be hassles with the HDMI's associated HDCP (Copy Protection) handshake between the TV and the 8300. Cable companies usually avoid this by sticking to component. But, give it (HDMI) a try. Some people have it work OK...most don't.

Also, did you change the DVR set to output: Auto DVI/HDMI?

Go to the extended "Settings" (hit the button on the remote twice) and make sure the "Dolby Digital" sound output is selected. Chances are it's set to "HDMI".

Follow the "fix" post listed elsewhere:
Using component cables plug it up, set Format to Passthru. While EVERYTHING is still on, plug in HDMI and unplug the Component.

Works after that, just fine...for some people.

If not, I'd then suggest taking your problem to the relevant OS-specific 8300HD thread:

For SARA Software

For Passport Software

I have had my 46XBR4 for about a month now and unfortuately have had to reconfigure my system a few time due to adding then changing a AV Receiver and Speaker System. At first, I could not get sound for my TV from my 8300 HD DVR set-top-box from Time Warner. I downloaded the 8300 HD DVR owners manual from the Scientific Atlanta and proceeded to frustrate myself trying to follow the manual's rules for programing the HDMI connection. It turns out that the Time Warner version of the SA 8300 HD DVR does not work like the SA 8300 manual indicates. You instead, have to just go into the 'Settings' ..."More Settings' area from your SA 8300 cable box remote and select the HDMI for your interface. I then got sound.

In any case just in the past few days I have begun to get the pop-up message from my cable box; "Your TV does not support HDCP..." At that point I have to just turn the TV on and off and things work fine.

I don't know what is causing this problem in that I just added an Onkyo TX-SR805 and connected my SA 8300 to it via HDMI. Then I connected the AV Receiver to my TV via HDMI. Now sometimes I get the pop-up message and sometimes I don't. It could be that if the SA 8300 HD DVR is turned on prior to the TV, the connection between the Onkyo and the Set-top-box is causing the bad handshake.
post #2189 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

David Katzmaier just sent me a response back. It's great to see someone who does these reviews and actually takes the time to respond.

Here is what I wrote:



Here is what David wrote back:


So as far as banding is concerned it could be one of a couple things.

1) My Circuit City happened to get a bad batch of sets. Which is possible because the one set they tried to give me was damaged in shipping.

2) David got a cherry picked set from Sony but there are others out there with the same problem.

3) I'm picky as hell.

I vote for 2 and 3.
post #2190 of 11990
So I exchanged my 40" XBR4 that was plagued with loud fan noise for a new one today and I don't know if I should smash my head against the wall or rip my hair out because the new TV is LOUDER than the first one was.

My original TV had an August build date. I was surprised to see that this new one has a build date of July. I know I'm not crazy because my wife hears it and the Sony Tech that came to my house said it was too loud on my original TV.

I'm going to have to pack this up and exchange it tomorrow because there is no way I can listen to this fan noise. I don't know if I should go down to the V3000 or try my luck with another XBR4. Maybe try to get one with a more recent build date. Do you think Best Buy will open boxes to look for August or September build dats? Any suggestions??

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