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post #961 of 11990
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

Would someone kindly explain the significant technical changes (improvements i hope) of the new XBR's compared to last year's? (i apologize if it's already buried somewhere in this thread). i can't make sense out of the goobledegook on the Sony product webpage.

The 120Hz its the first big improvement.Second the improved contrast.(the on-screen is 2.200:1 for XBR4/5 while XBR2/3s 1.300:1).The dynamic contrast is 18.000:1 on XBR4/5 while XBR2/3s 7.000:1.But the biggest improvement is that clouding is not as bad as XBR2/3!!!!!
post #962 of 11990
Can someone post pics of the XMB (Xross Media Bar)??
post #963 of 11990
Labor Day sale & AAA coupon got me to pull the trigger on 52xbr4. PM for price if interested.

I got burned by two different cloudy 46xbr2s a year ago, so I'm quite nervous. However, anectodal evidenece from this group seems to indicate that cloudiness is not generally a widespread problem on the the xbr4s, and most specifically not on the 52's.

So. Delivery scheduled for tomorrow. *fingers crossed*.
post #964 of 11990
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Originally Posted by CHRISGEOFROMGREE View Post

The 120Hz its the first big improvement.Second the improved contrast.(the on-screen is 2.200:1 for XBR4/5 while XBR2/3s 1.300:1).The dynamic contrast is 18.000:1 on XBR4/5 while XBR2/3s 7.000:1.But the biggest improvement is that clouding is not as bad as XBR2/3!!!!!

2,000:1 on screen, not 2,200.
Just keeping things real.
post #965 of 11990
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Originally Posted by kraiggers View Post

Labor Day sale & AAA coupon got me to pull the trigger on 52xbr4. PM for price if interested.

I got burned by two different cloudy 46xbr2s a year ago, so I'm quite nervous. However, anectodal evidenece from this group seems to indicate that cloudiness is not generally a widespread problem on the the xbr4s, and most specifically not on the 52's.

So. Delivery scheduled for tomorrow. *fingers crossed*.

Awaiting your experiences with this 52 incher. Just checked the local CC price after coupon/sale and very very very close to making the decision.

Thanks!
post #966 of 11990
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

Would someone kindly explain the significant technical changes (improvements i hope) of the new XBR's compared to last year's? (i apologize if it's already buried somewhere in this thread). i can't make sense out of the goobledegook on the Sony product webpage.

XBR4/5 upgrades from Last year's XBR2/3s:

10-bit (vs. 8-bit) Panel = 1.07 Billion Colors (vs. 16.78 million colors)
Motionflow: 120 Hz with Full HD high frame rate capability
24p True Cinema (24p Input Capability)
Dynamic Contrast Ratio: 18,000:1 (On-screen Contrast Ratio: 2000:1)
Deep Color capability (HDMI v1.3 option)
x.v.Color: connectivity (HDMI v1.3 option)
Xross Media Bar® (XMB) Advanced HD User Interface

Other new features:
DMex Feature Expansion Capability
BRAVIA® Theatre Sync technology
Theater Mode
Photo TV HD
post #967 of 11990
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Originally Posted by JEA View Post

2,000:1 on screen, not 2,200.
Just keeping things real.

Ohhh no!!!Really sorry.In europe the X3000/X3500(XBR4/5) has 2.200:1 on screen!!!Anyway sorry
post #968 of 11990
Thanks!!
post #969 of 11990
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Originally Posted by home851 View Post

I just got my 40XBR4. Neat machine.

A question I haven't seen posted here...

I am having problems with the remote. Seem I have to be wihtin a 30 degree angle and withing 4 feet for it to work consistently. Anyone else having ang troubles or have a magic fix?

Otherwise it is a great unit.

Jack

I have the same issues with my 40XBR5 remote.
I also had these issues with my Sony DVP-NS9100ES DVD player - slow, sporadic response.

Two workarounds I found:
Pointing directly at the TV can be hit or miss. If I aim at the ceiling (or other sweet spot) and let the signal bounce and spread out, it works better. (You may be too close to the TV for this to work well.)
Using a universal remote or my Denon remote works much better than the Sony remote.

I'm not sure what Sony has done with their remotes lately but it is starting to really tick me off. (Maybe they want you to buy their highend universal.)
post #970 of 11990
I'm a new xbr4 owner who is trying to get the settings down as best possible. I have a sony blu ray player and was wondering the best settings for my blu ray to display as smooth as movement as possible. Do I use the 1080/24p or do I use the 1080/60 auto? Its probably a stupid question but these are new terms for me. Also, whats the best settings to put the television on as far as Cinemotion and Motion Enhancer when coupled with a blu-ray player. If anybody has any ideas on the subject, can u help a brother out? Thanks guys, any info would be appreciated.

P.S. Thanks everybody for the good info i've gotten so far. The picture i've gotten on this thing using other peoples cals as well as minor tweaking by myself has gotten a beautiful picture out of this thing. Thank you to you all.
post #971 of 11990
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Originally Posted by twilleyj View Post

I just got a CC 10% e-mail for the "2 day only Labor Day sale" on TVs $199 an up.

It says to use this URL and it the 10% will be applied automatically at checkout.

http://email.circuitcity.com/W8RH02A...D7CEF36FF68470

I guess it applies at the end...as I was too lazy to fill out everything to see if it works. I already purchased my 52XBR4 from CP.

Hope this helps someone "take the plunge".

Awesome - I had purchased my 52XBR4 at CC yesterday. With your link I was able to get $160 back!

-Bryan
post #972 of 11990
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Originally Posted by bpate View Post

Awesome - I had purchased my 52XBR4 at CC yesterday. With your link I was able to get $160 back!

-Bryan

How does $160 equal 10% on a $4000 TV?
post #973 of 11990
Hi Guys, hope someone has time to answer a couple of questions for a non-tech grandma. I have been researching for months to replace 17yr ol t.v. that died.

I have decided to get the 46" Bravia 4/5. This is a whole lot of money for me to spend, so wanted to know:

If the sound will be ok on this tv or should I order extra speakers?

Will my old dvd player, (a JVC digital direct progressive scan, AV CompuLink, dts 2.0 digital output, Dolby digital, Compact disc super video) those are all the words on it, work ok until I can upgrade? How do I know if it upscales, if it doesn't will the tv do the upscaling?

Should I also order a HDMI cable or can I assume my cable company will have one with the hdtv box?

Boy, this sure is different from the old days when you just went to Montgomery Ward and got a tv. All the technical stuff on these forums is pretty scary, but I have gotten pretty good with the computer and all it's hardware and etc., so hoping I can do this tv thing.
post #974 of 11990
I did it...I took the plunge....actually I took back my W3000 for the 46XBR4 and couldn't be more thrilled. First, I haven't tweeked the settings to perfection but I've run the THX optimizer that the Movie Cars has with it and I think it's pretty close. Second, the Motion Enhancer is eye opening to say the least. My 18 month old son who has seen this movie a 100 times has not moved from the couch since I turned the Motion Enhancer on (absolutely amazing.) I have a blue ray with HDMI connection...5.1 Dolby Digital theater system (optical connection.)

What I have noticed is a slight clouding issue that I did not have with the W3000 but reading some of these post, I think I might be able to adjust/tweek to get rid of the minor clouds (mainly in the upper right corner.)

I will be busy tweeking/adjusting each input (SA8300HDC cable box w/HDMI, Blue Ray HDMI and finally the TV with the cable direct to the TV, for PIP purposes.) I'll repost my settings once I have it all doped out.
post #975 of 11990
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Originally Posted by OldWoman View Post

Hi Guys, hope someone has time to answer a couple of questions for a non-tech grandma. I have been researching for months to replace 17yr ol t.v. that died.

I have decided to get the 46" Bravia 4/5. This is a whole lot of money for me to spend, so wanted to know:

If the sound will be ok on this tv or should I order extra speakers?

That depends on what you are used to. If you've been listening to TV speakers all this time, then these TV speakers will probably be more than acceptable.
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Will my old dvd player, (a JVC digital direct progressive scan, AV CompuLink, dts 2.0 digital output, Dolby digital, Compact disc super video) those are all the words on it, work ok until I can upgrade? How do I know if it upscales, if it doesn't will the tv do the upscaling?

Yes the DVD player will work okay. It will not upscale the source material. Your TV will upscale everything to it's native resolution because that's the only way it will display it. Commercial DVDs from your DVD player should look fine on this set, but most of the time they won't be as good as HDTV from your cable box.

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Should I also order a HDMI cable or can I assume my cable company will have one with the hdtv box?

What is the company? You should definitely request that they supply an HDMI cable when they install your cable box. The installers usually have one or two with them and if your install is early enough in the day you shouldn't have a problem getting one. If they don't have HDMI cables a component cable will work as well.


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Boy, this sure is different from the old days when you just went to Montgomery Ward and got a tv. All the technical stuff on these forums is pretty scary, but I have gotten pretty good with the computer and all it's hardware and etc., so hoping I can do this tv thing.

You'll be alright Grams You've chosen a very good TV and now you just need to make sure you're getting the most out of your purchase. The HDTV cable box is highly recommended.

Brandon
post #976 of 11990
twilleyj, thanks

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CC 10% off coupon (2 days only)

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I just got a CC 10% e-mail for the "2 day only Labor Day sale" on TVs $199 an up.

It says to use this URL and it the 10% will be applied automatically at checkout.

http://email.circuitcity.com/W8RH02A...D7CEF36FF68470

I guess it applies at the end...as I was too lazy to fill out everything to see if it works. I already purchased my 52XBR4 from CP.

Hope this helps someone "take the plunge".

I tried it and got rejected, ERROR CODE 5, which I think means that the 10% coupon can't be applied to the 52XBR4 because it is already at a special price.
post #977 of 11990
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Originally Posted by mderosa3 View Post

I did it...I took the plunge....actually I took back my W3000 for the 46XBR4 and couldn't be more thrilled. First, I haven't tweeked the settings to perfection but I've run the THX optimizer that the Movie Cars has with it and I think it's pretty close. Second, the Motion Enhancer is eye opening to say the least. My 18 month old son who has seen this movie a 100 times has not moved from the couch since I turned the Motion Enhancer on (absolutely amazing.) I have a blue ray with HDMI connection...5.1 Dolby Digital theater system (optical connection.)

What I have noticed is a slight clouding issue that I did not have with the W3000 but reading some of these post, I think I might be able to adjust/tweek to get rid of the minor clouds (mainly in the upper right corner.)

I will be busy tweeking/adjusting each input (SA8300HDC cable box w/HDMI, Blue Ray HDMI and finally the TV with the cable direct to the TV, for PIP purposes.) I'll repost my settings once I have it all doped out.

Hey Mderosa, so what are your settings on your blu ray at as far as both cinemotion and motion enhancer go? I'm using standard and Auto 2, are u using the same?
post #978 of 11990
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Originally Posted by mderosa3 View Post

I did it...I took the plunge....actually I took back my W3000 for the 46XBR4 and couldn't be more thrilled. First, I haven't tweeked the settings to perfection but I've run the THX optimizer that the Movie Cars has with it and I think it's pretty close. Second, the Motion Enhancer is eye opening to say the least. My 18 month old son who has seen this movie a 100 times has not moved from the couch since I turned the Motion Enhancer on (absolutely amazing.) I have a blue ray with HDMI connection...5.1 Dolby Digital theater system (optical connection.)

What I have noticed is a slight clouding issue that I did not have with the W3000 but reading some of these post, I think I might be able to adjust/tweek to get rid of the minor clouds (mainly in the upper right corner.)

I will be busy tweeking/adjusting each input (SA8300HDC cable box w/HDMI, Blue Ray HDMI and finally the TV with the cable direct to the TV, for PIP purposes.) I'll repost my settings once I have it all doped out.


congrats mderosa. after calibration can you further describe the picture quality difference between your W3000 and new XBR4? what size did you get?

thanks, as soon as i get back from japan i'm picking up one of these two.
post #979 of 11990
Better be careful with the coupon, price, and where to purchase because a mod can lock this one up again.
post #980 of 11990
Thank you Brandon for the quick reply. Ok, I'm going to cross my fingers and do it! I will no doubt be back with more questions. Thank you for your help.
post #981 of 11990
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Originally Posted by HD-Gaming View Post

is it best to play games on Gaming mode?




anyone care to comment further on this?
post #982 of 11990
Hey guys, so it has been about 2-3 weeks that these have been out for sale. Can you owners please post some pro's and con's. Everything that you hate and everything that you like about the tv thus far since the honeymoon is just at the point where you start noticeing some minor or major things about the tv that you dislike, ie HD broadcast, video games, blu ray, hd dvd, dvd's, pc, anything, thanks...
post #983 of 11990
At the moment I'm using Auto 2 and High for the motion...I was watching Cars the animation with my son and I was taken back by the motion setting and the picture. I'm probably going to go with Standard though for everyday viewing...still testing though..
post #984 of 11990
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Originally Posted by illdefined View Post

congrats mderosa. after calibration can you further describe the picture quality difference between your W3000 and new XBR4? what size did you get?

thanks, as soon as i get back from japan i'm picking up one of these two.

I got the 46". As far as my inital impression of this tv vs the w3000 is I'm glad i went with the trade. Thats not saying the w3000 was bad just that the picture compared to the w3000 really jumps out and the motion enhancer is pretty amazing on this set with the 120hz. I'll update as soon as i fined the right settings for my tv....
post #985 of 11990
I have returned two Samsung LCDs in the past: The 4651 had bad black levels and had "pillars" (on dark gray screens the left and right sides of the screen were lighter than the center of the screen). The 4665 had much better black levels, but still had the pillars and the reflective glass was distracting.

Also, the viewing angle was pretty bad. If I sat on the left side of the couch (~8 ft. away) , the right side of the TV was brighter than the left. If I sat on the right side, the left side of the TV was brighter.

I am hoping to get the 46" XBR4. Are there any "pillars" that are noticeable on dark gray screens? How is the viewing angle?

Thanks!
post #986 of 11990
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Originally Posted by sharpjunkie View Post

Can you owners please post some pro's and con's. Everything that you hate and everything that you like about the tv.

I love the TV.
I do have a few issues, though.
1. I would prefer the menu options wrap around. When you are at the bottom of a list, pressing the down button would take you back to the top of the list.
2. I don't really care for the slide-away panel for optional buttons at the bottom of the remote. Seems like after too much use, it would get loose. I prefer the Sharp remote where it is more like a clamshell.
3. As mentioned earlier, I don't care much for the narrow receiving angle of the IR receiver.
4. I had some initial issues with clouding and spotlight.
5. I would have preferred they use the VESA 200mm x 200mm hole pattern vs. the 200mm x 300mm pattern. I had more trouble finding 3rd party 200x300mm patterns for wall mounting, so I went with a tv stand.
6. I don't like how the SONY lights up at the bottom when you turn off the TV even though I have it set to stay off.

I like more about the TV than I don't like, but I've quantified it a little bit here:
1. You can essentially watch this tv from 170 degrees off axis and it still looks great (not that you'd want to watch from that angle).
2. The number of settings you can adjust are very nice.
3. Picture quality is very nice, presuming you have good source material.
4. I'm content with the way it displays SD programming on Digital Cable and DirecTV.
5. The on-board speakers do a fine job.
post #987 of 11990
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Originally Posted by tom_mack View Post

Also, the viewing angle was pretty bad. If I sat on the left side of the couch (~8 ft. away) , the right side of the TV was brighter than the left. If I sat on the right side, the left side of the TV was brighter.

I am hoping to get the 46" XBR4. Are there any "pillars" that are noticeable on dark gray screens? How is the viewing angle?

Thanks!

This is my major concern as well. Due to the wife, my couches aren't directly in front of the TV so I'm always viewing at at least a slight angle. My Samsung 4053H and 4661F annoyed me with milky blacks from off angles (exactly how you described), but I could mitigate it somewhat with the swivel stand as long as I was the only person watching TV. Since the XBR4 does not have a swivel stand, I'm worried that I'm going to be dissapointed.

I guess I'll have to go to CC/BB and do some critical viewing if they have the sets in a location that allows it.
post #988 of 11990
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Originally Posted by RichardBrackin View Post

I love the TV.
I do have a few issues, though.
5. I would have preferred they use the VESA 200mm x 200mm hole pattern vs. the 200mm x 300mm pattern. I had more trouble finding 3rd party 200x300mm patterns for wall mounting, so I went with a tv stand.

can you tell me more about this hole pattern? So you cant use a standard mount like I allready have for my samsung 71?
post #989 of 11990
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Originally Posted by Swank View Post

This is my major concern as well. Due to the wife, my couches aren't directly in front of the TV so I'm always viewing at at least a slight angle. My Samsung 4053H and 4661F annoyed me with milky blacks from off angles (exactly how you described), but I could mitigate it somewhat with the swivel stand as long as I was the only person watching TV. Since the XBR4 does not have a swivel stand, I'm worried that I'm going to be dissapointed.

I guess I'll have to go to CC/BB and do some critical viewing if they have the sets in a location that allows it.

I tried to test this in CC, but the store was so bright that fine details in the dark scenes were hard to see. I'm hoping those who have used the set under controlled conditions will be able to lend some insight.
post #990 of 11990
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Originally Posted by sharpjunkie View Post

can you tell me more about this hole pattern? So you cant use a standard mount like I allready have for my samsung 71?

It's still a VESA standard, but most of the ones I've seen are 200mm x 200mm. I have a 32" Sharp Aquos mounted on a wall with the 200mm x 200mm pattern.
The 40 and 46" patterns are 200x300mm rectangular. So long as your current mount is 200x300 capable (or you can pick up an adapter, I think) you would be fine.
It wasn't a deal breaker for me but YMMV. There are mounts out there, but they seem to be fewer than the 100x100 and 200x200mm. The 52" has a 300x400mm pattern
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