Official Samsung LNT-xx71f Owners Thread - Page 448

Thank you!!!

I have a LNT-4665F and I too am considering stepping up to the 4671. I am concerned about stutter and TBE, as I don't experience TBE with the 4665F. I'd hate to sell it and upgrade to more issues if you know what I mean. Please, if you don't mind, PM me the results of your comparison of the two when you get a chance. I've had my TV since August 07 and I might hold out until March for the new series with 4ms refresh.

Thanks

Yes, excellent info. I will be adding a link to the FAQ, family obligations are getting in the way of my obsessions though

Thanks Bitgod, I've been meaning to plug my kill-A-watt into this TV...

Depends on the location of the window. I have a window off to the right side of the couch facing my 5271. If I sit on the right side of the couch, closest to the window, during the day, the reflection is fairly obvious in dark areas. I mostly only see it on the 4:3 verticle bars so it doens't bother me. If I sit on the left side, away from the window, I can swivel the tv slightly to put the window reflection completely off the screen. If there is any bright or mostly coloured scene on the screen then I can't see my window reflection unless I'm really looking for it.

I usually watch planet earth mid afternoon on weekends and haven't been bothered at all by the reflection. In contrast to my CRT I replaced, I could always see reflections regardless of content on screen.

OK, I finally got to play around with the TV last night.

1009 Firmware
1001 Hardware
AMP - Low

First off, I tried some of the calibration settings I found from the "calibration" thread. All of these made my display appear very green. In fact, after watching it set all the way back to factory defaults, the set no matter what seems to have a green tinge to it. Could this be caused by an issue with the hardware or firmware?

Second, I think what I'm experiencing is "judder". I'd like to get a definition, thoough. I can reproduce the issue pretty easily in certain spots of certain DVDs. What I see is the image will begin only displaying every other frame, at least that's what I think I'm seeing. The audio and video are still in sync, but the video gets choppy. This goes away if I turn AMP off.

I'm not too concerned about conflicting reports coming from Tier I support. You have to understand the Tier I job and the employees motivation. I doubt they're 'motivated' enough for all of them to keep up with Samsung news and updates.

haha! thanks GoldenEarDrum, didn't realize infiltrating CES was such a dangerous job, she didn't throw you on the bed of nails there did she? ... actually that sounds fun, did she?

video getting choppy sounds like stutter. Would you mind identifying the equipment and time in the DVD? Maybe someone else can check if it is stuttering for them or if it's just standard film judder.

Info that would help:
DVD with "judder" time stamp/scene
DVD player
How is the DVD player connected to the TV?

Two different DVD players. One is the cheap WalMart Philips upconverting DVD set to 1080i, connected through HDMI. The second is a Sony 300 DVD changer connected through component. The scene that will do it every time is the section of Nacho Libre where he's feeding the slop to the fathers at the front table. It is the very beginning of the chapter, so if you skip to that chapter then let it play, it'll do it. It will also do it again if you skip a few more up to when they are buying the corn. These were fine on my Mitsu 55" 1080i CRT RPT, and the thing doesn't stutter if AMP is off.

lol, true

1007. Don't want to upgrade to do INCREASED stutter and possible pq issues.

You are in Shop mode. Go to the first page of this thread to see how to get out of it. Then, try my settings on page 10 of the calibration thread (see first page of this thread for a link). They are designed to get rid of green issues. And yes, it sounds like you saw stutter. Please let us know on what DVD's and what time stamp.

Do you think it would be acceptable to ask your contact if the AMP artifacts are fixed in the 2008's, what with their 4ms panels and who knows what other boards, processors, etc, that might be involved?

I think I was that "someone" your talking about I had the 4671 with 1013 and traded it in for my new 5271 2004 and the blacks are 10x better, but the color and pq for me isn't as good as the old set, tho I am still playing with the settings till I can get a DVE dvd.

One thing I think my 5271 has that my 4671 didn't was this so called "Vapor" you guys talk about, but it might just be the content as I've only seen in on cable content and not bluray.

Studdad,

I am guessing you put the FAQ back at the top. Thank you, I did not know it was there. I see that I'm experiencing stutter. After reading the FAQ, I see that the perception of slow motion during the wrestling scenes are probably stutter as well, although frames dropping aren't really perceptible.

Not in shop mode, I manually put all the settings back to figure out what's going on with the set. I'll give your settings a shot.

I returned Nacho today, so I'll have to watch for the effect in another DVD. I have noticed that pausing a DVD then restarting will cause it a lot, no matter what the scene. The only way I've found to fix it is to pause again then restart, that seems to work every time.

I have seen TBE and vapor AMP artifacts on Blu-ray (Planet Earth eagle chase scene) but I have not seen stutter. I only have seen stutter on crappy pseudo-HD TBS and TNT programming (but not the intervening commercials?!) via DTV.

lipcrkr, what movie or game have you seen stutter on BR? Can you even be more specific about exactly where/when it happened?

AMP appears to cause stutter or at least make some defect in the source stand out (I have observed stutter on my Sony SDTV in exactly the same places in the program where stutter occurs on my 71, and yes, turning AMP off fixed the stutter and improved on the underlying source as indicated by the SD appearance)

AMP fixes judder of all types, horizontal, vertical, and even that seen on SD programs.

my fw 2002

So judder would be for example the 3:2 pulldown jitter seen on a typical TV during a pan? With AMP on, I do not see that like I do a regular TV, and it's kind of strange to see it gone.

DC, have you looked at the eagle chase on Planet Earth? Right after the TBE when the birds are turning back towards the left, there appears to be an aura, sort of like the 'invisible shield' of old sci-fi movies. I believe this fuzzy looking effect is what we are calling 'vapor'. This goes away as does the TBE when AMP is turned OFF.

eagle chase is second part of first disc ... maybe 3rd or 4th segment .. around 47 minute mark.

Exactly.

Apparently some don't like it to be gone. To me this is the only benefit of AMP that I can actually see.

Hey Golden, did you see the big OLED Sammy was showing? Or was that the same as the beautiful Q4 ultraslim thingie? What was the reaction of folks to the OLED, if you saw it?

I have a question about 24p sources.

All of my material will be coming through an HTPC via VGA cable.

Anyone have an HTPC setup to this set?

How is it setup to properly display 24 fps material?

How is a 24p source presented on the '71?

If AMP is off, is the frame simply presented 5 times? (120hz)
With AMP on, do they attempt to fill some frames?

Can some of you that have either the 46 or 52" 71F check and see if your left or right speakers are flush at the top with the black bezel? I have returned mine a few times, and no matter which set I get, at least one side is just a tad lower than the bezel (top of the tv). The one I have now is not bad, I saw one last night at Sears - the right speaker was about a 1/16 of an inch lower than the bezel. Mine is just barely lower - very small difference, whereas the right side of my tv and speaker are totally even and flush.

I know, I'm OCD, but isn't everyone on this forum? Can you report back if you get a second? Thanks!

5271- right side is a hair higher than the bezel. Left side is pretty close to flush.

Same here...flush 4671 / 2002

I find it hard to actually see the beneficial effect of any of these motion enhancing settings, not just with Samsung's version (AMP) but with all brands' motion enhancers. [I can clearly see the benefit of slow motion, ie pans, with AMP ... just not fast motion.]

Most, if not all TVs have a demo mode, and some have a demo mode that has scrolling text. It is easy to see that the text is sharper in the "On" side. I had a JVC 898 for awhile, and it's demo had this scrolling text. It is not nearly as easy to see the benefit in live TV.

Why doesn't somebody create a test disc with scrolling text and with different outputs (at least 480i, 720p, 1080i) and even different cadences? You could vary the speed of the text maybe too.

Then you could actually compare settings in your equipment and different TVs. Most have a demo mode to make it even easier.

I think there are people here who have the knowledge and ability to do this. Test it on us, then copyright it, sell it, and give me a 5% royalty

Anyone have this mounted with an articulating arm mount? Can anyone suggest a decent [trusted] brand?

someone requests pics earlier. 360 on HDMI calibrated via avia 2

According to Samsung, when AMP is off it does a 5:5 pulldown. However, according to the Cnet review it did not work flawlessly. Some of us attribute that to AMP still being on when AMP is set to OFF. Since you have a 1009 FW, you would need to update to 1013.1 in to order to get AMP truely off. However, 1013.1 has its own potential problems, i.e increased stutter and possible pq problems.

Samsung has said nothing in regards to when AMP is ON, but it must be doing some sort of frame interpolation. There are different theories on how that is done.