Official Samsung LNT-xx71f Owners Thread - Page 494

I was sure I was going to buy the 71 before I found this thread. Now I am hesitant to buy one. Is this TBE an issue that happens all the time or just once in a while. I guess is this an issue for only anal people or is this a deal breaker issue.

The set is fine, you may have to update your firmware when you get the TV, but other then that, you have nothing to really worry about except for global problems that LCDs have, like dead pixels and whatnot. Don't let the somewhat exaggerated problems identified in this thread detract you from a purchase.

Yes, there are problems with this set that some people have had, but it's not widespread.

Thanks for your reply. I have thought of getting the Pionerr 5080 but I am not sure if I want to give up 1080p. Even though I will only have a DVD player that ups the signal and Directv HD and from what I have been told in that senario I will never use the 1080p.

See the TV for yourself at a Best Buy or CC. Some issues sound much worse than they are.

TBE is rare and def not as big of a deal as made out to be, especially w newer firmwares. Stutter could potentially ruin your experience if it does pop up alot in your TV though.

The benefits of the TV far outweigh the minor issues. I'm very happy w mine, and 200x firmware sets rarely ever stutter (as a 2004 owner i can confirm this). I think it is the best price/performance LCD on the market right now.

I've had mine since 12/15/07..and so far...no TBE..but do have the stuttering..but just on a TNT-HD and intermittently on SD channels to where I turn off the AMP or keep it on low and everything is fine.....I normally change the AMP setting to medium or high when watching live sports and have had no TBE or Stuttering...also no TBE or stuttering when watching DVD's or BlueRays....I have FW 1013.1......

I have been in touch w/ Samsung mutliple times on the phone and chat line...so they have my info and documentation to my stuttering issue...and as everyone knows...Samsung Engineers are working on the stuttering issue.....

To anyone that is on the fence on whether to purchase this set.......DO!!! All LCD's are going to have some imperfections or quirks to it...even the Plasmas have issues......I have the 5yr warranty on this set so WHEN the fix comes.....whether it be via a FW upgrade or a hardware upgrade..I'm covered....the PQ w/ this set is amazing......had a friend that picked up the Sony XBR series...came over to see the Samsung....was braggin that his PQ was better..blah, blah, blah........and later found out he returned his XBR to get a 5271! LOL!!

I love my set, a 2002 FW updated to 2004. I rarely saw the TBE except on looooong bomb passes, and only with AMP on high. After upgrading to 2004, even that is lessened to the point where I have to look for it...even then, it is only with AMP on high that I see anything. I set my AMP to low or medium depending on the source and don't see it at all. I can't speak for the 10xx FW people, who seem to have more issues; however, I'm thrilled with this set and how it performs with DTV-HD and Blu-Ray discs. My sons all fight over playing XBox 360 on the set due to the superior picture. I would not hesitate to take the plunge again.

JMHO, but don't let this thread scare you away from this set....and, if Sammie ever comes through with an AMP fix for high, well, I'll be even happier. A friend bought a Sony XBR5 for over $1200 more than mine, and he keeps coming over, saying he should have bought the Sammie. (He won't return his since he threw away the box and the place he bought it would charge a 20% re-stocking fee since it is boxless....)

As others have said, all brands seem to come with their own issues. Buy one from a place with a good return policy as your insurance against dissappointment, then set up, sit back, and enjoy like the majority of the xx71 series owners.

Robert

You must not watch much Football if you have not seen TBE especially when AMP = MED or HI.

I also have the 1013.1 LN-T5271..

For people stating, just update the FW..

BE CAREFUL WITH THIS STATEMENT....

This is VERY EASY to say when you have the 2xxx FRC / FW and I totally agree w/ this statement to update the FW when having this set..


I WOULD NOT update the FW to 1013.1 if I had the chance as there is more stutter from what other 1xxx owners have attested to.

I can not honestly confirm this as I got a 1013.1 straight from CC in the PB (NOV build).


There are MANY users that have the 1xxx that have not updated their sets as others having the 1xxx cards have reported stutter.


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So in recap, if you get the 2xxx based set, by all means upgrade the FW if TBE bothers you.

I did on the lemon 2002 model I had to 2004 and it helped w/ TBE, ie. no TBE when AMP=OFF / LOW and mild on MED..

I think I may hangout and see if they get it resolved in the next few weeks and may be catch a sale after the Superbowl.

The 71 series does not do 5:5 pulldown.

Zinkie....I watch plenty of football..hockey...tennis...all on HD and can say that I've never witnesses any TBE..whether it be a football..puck or tennis ball....I even recorded a few of the games and went frame by frame to see if I could see the dreaded TBE...soooooooooo...I'm not sure what to tell ya....

Definitely still have the stuttering though...again I think its source dependant and it's sporatic....I did change my HD/DVR box and noticed a decrease in the stuttering.....again though..still present on SD and sometimes HD channels....

My set came w/ the 1013.1 already installed so I can't comment on the fw previous to this one......

Yes there can be bit errors on HDMI. Maybe I over simplified but my point was under most cases with short runs HDMI isn't going to have to many troubles. The signal making it to the TV is essentially what the player was trying to get there. Lots of things that cause bit errors on HDMI can also cause signal degredation on analog cables.

Without looking at a TV or video source (original case, I believe, was an HDM player) design, wouldn't the signal passed over components go through most or all the same things you pointed out for HDMI but add on a DAC and ADC steps plus be subject to noise and parasitic loses on the cable?

I didn't mean to say that using HDMI = perfect representation of the source. I'm sorry if that what it sounded like, I was simply saying of the two choices:
1. digital source -> digital cable -> digital destination
2. digital source -> analog cable -> digital destination
I would pick #1 as the more faithful transmission (without getting into the issues with HDMI as a spec).

But your final comment is basically what I was saying, if good PQ is "what looks good" then yes, it's very possible some stuff will 'look better' over component whether or not it's going through additional processing.

I haven't had any issues with my 5271.

you will not see TBE on a frame by frame analysis. When you go frame by frame the TV is being fed the same frame over and over again. TBE is an artifact of motion estimation, there is no estimate if consecutive frames are identical.

To see TBE the source must be playing. There are some examples of where to find TBE in the FAQ (linked in sig) if you're interested.

Ok...I'll pay closer attention on a live feed to see if I have the TBE....now I only have the AMP on the higher settings on live HD sports or when watching BlueRay/DVD movies....the rest of the time the AMP is either on low or off....

I've only had my 5271 four days, but so far no problems with any of the issue's talked about here. 1001 FW 2003.2 (PC)

I would say, do not go looking for trouble! If you see it, you see it. The last thing you want to do is strain or force yourself into seeing something that others have. You seem to be very happy with your set and have no issues, no reason to look for things that make you think otherwise unless its obvious to you, if and when it happens.

Sorry these comments are from around 6 days ago but I'm still trying to catch up! This is probably a very uninformed question, but I had to ask just so I'm clear. I had a question regarding your reference to the blacks. When you're talking about how black they are, this is with content on the screen, not just having the TV on, in say the blank screen searching for a signal, right? When I turn my set on without a source to check for flash lighting, etc. it all appears a little milky evenly accross the screen. I just needed to be sure this was normal. If not, now would be a good time to know before my 30 days are up.

On another note, I originally posted that I was slightly disappointed when I 1st purchased the TV because of the SD picture but have since realized I hardly, if ever, watch it anyway so I'm enjoying this TV a lot now.
I'm using Studdad's settings (thanks) as others seemed to blue or green to me. I still have yet to witness stutter (2002 FW).

Did I miss something? I thought this was still under debate as I've read articles that claim the set has it...

Did we get confirmation from Samsung....and did I just miss the post, or??

Thnx,

Robert

So would everyone that originally had 2002FW 2000HW that updated to 2004FW suggest the switch? No TBE on AMP low sounds tempting but i've also read that 2002 is somehow better... grrr

***Second question, would an external USB hard drive work the same as a USB mem stick? It's all i have at the moment...

Took me a while to dig these up. I think there are more.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=15685
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=16115
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=13896

Man, I find it hard to believe you do not see TBE on football games when AMP=MED or HI..

I would see it at least 10-20 times a game if I left it on these settings.. The football is even a blur when the ball is passed say 15 yds, does not need to be a bomb to see it for me...

BUT hey, if you do not see it, that is great !!! You are definitely in the small percentage of people not seeing TBE ..

This thing is going like gang-busters..........

I got fed up with the stutter issue and returned it for another new set.The first set I had was firmware 1013 and noe I got 2004,which seems good for now.I've seen it slow down like it's beginning to stutter but picks right back up as opposed to the first one I had where I had to scramble to find the remote to turn the AMP off just to stop the stutter.Ive stayed up most of the night checking different scources and have yet to find anything.So far so good,hopefully it stays that way.

I have read this thread since page-1.........

IMHO, I would not hesitate to upgrade from 2002 to 2004 at this point reading what others have noted..

On the other hand, there is no way in hell, I would update to 1013.1 based off of other peoples' thoughts on this.

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I originally had a 2002 FW set (that ended up being a lemon in the panel). I updated the set (just for testing) from 2002 to 2004 and this upgrade seemed to work good for me. I had the FW loaded a couple days and did not see stutter. The FW fixed TBE when AMP=LOW, no TBE whatsoever in this setting. Prior the only way to get rid of TBE was AMP=OFF.

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So in recap, I would give the Thumbs Up to go from 2002 to 2004..

Did you get a FW=2004 delivered?

What set do you have and where did you get it?




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Well I've had my 5271 (PA 2002/1001) for about a month now and I can say that I am very pleased with it. I have seen the "TBE" on football games but it is not a deal breaker. So far I can't say that I have seen too much stutter. I thought I saw some when TNTHD was showing Gladiator on a seen that was panning but I'm not sure. It's really hard to keep track of the posts in this thread because there are so many posts being made but I keep reading it in hopes that Samsung provides that "magical" solution.

For what it's worth: I have been with this thread since the beginning. I have a 4071, originally 1009 now 1013.1. Comcast, SA 8300HD STB, connected by components, a Toshiba A3 and a Panasonic BD30 via HDMI 1.3. Run AMP on medium continually. Have had the unit since early October. At least 30 family members, friends, and neighbors have spent hours watching football, HD and Blu-ray movies while drinking my beer. The only two things these people have in common are: 1) none of them have ever read this thread and 2) they are all in absolute awe over this TV, especially the PQ. Not a single individual has even noticed the few minor occurences of TBE (which I have seen) or the very rare occurences of stutter. Now if you extrapolate this to the thousands of people who own this series and who haven't obsessed over the problems, I think one can only conclude that Samsung is not in any particular hurry to spend tons of money on a recall or a major "fix". I think a firmware upgrade will be made available but I seriously doubt if it will ever be considered a definitive fix for the problems listed in this thread. Sorry, but that's an honest appraisal.

galet

I hear you on the still button, but what I would like to see is the pop up settings menu disappear when adjusting ALL settings. There are lots of settings where it is hard to determine what they are doing to the picture because the damn menu screen encompasses nearly half the tv screen. And no, changing the menu to Opaque does not solve the problem.

But wait.....if they are coming over and getting drunk, how do you expect them to see the TBE? Everything looks tripled.

DNIe in and of itself should not effect grain. All DNIe does is turn on the detailed settings menu in Standard mode, and help with ghosting. Go into detailed settings and make changes in there, such as turning off DNR (digital noise reduction),,,,,I think it is in there. I notice a lot of grain when I watch this set at BB or CC, but none when at home, unless the movie is supposed to have grain, like 300. I think the grain you are experiencing is more noise related than anything else, and may be helped with better cables or with a power conditioner.