Official Samsung LNT-xx71f Owners Thread - Page 503

To add more WOW, up your contrast, as well as your dynamic contrast. Bump up your color. I believe Dynamic comes with AMP as a default setting, so put standard to AMP=low. Make sure your Color Space is set to Wide. Bump up your backlight if you want it brighter.

Tonight I can report the same for me as well.

I called Samsung and got the 2004 firmware. Upgraded it and then scanned. I gained two channels but not the one I want. I got a test channel with an oscilliscope screen and HDNET (which I have on DirecTV already).

Question is whether the processor is sending out 10bit/color to the pixels, even if the panel is listed as "10-bit".

The 65 series initially were shipped with "10-bit" panels. Now they appear to be shipped with "8-bit" panels. No one complains that the PQ has suffered. The UK equivalent of the 71 series is now shipped with "8-bit" panels. The flagship LCD from Samsung, the 81 series, is shipped with "8-bit" panels. The 71 series is shipped with "10-bit" panels. The description of 10-bit or 8-bit is based on what we found on various Samsung parts sites.

Samsung never advertises 10-bit color depth. Sony prominently advertises that their sets have 10-bit color depth.

If you are an optimistic owner, you'll believe that the 71 series has 10-bit color depth.

QUICK QUESTION...
For those who own the Samsung 40" (LNT4071F) LCD HDTV..


Thanx in advance

You having owned both the sets and seeing the difference makes you the second to say this exact thing. This is confirming the results we have seen in the spread sheet for some time. It would be great if you contact Samsung and tell them your experience so they can start down the right path.

Regard

I just installed a whole house surge protector in my breaker box. It snaps in in place of 2 breakers and cost about 70 Dollars. It was very easy to install, and now my whole house is protected. I am also installing a surge protector on my coax line. I'll probably plug the tv into a surge protection strip just to be sure, but I am pretty confident in the whole house approach. You just need to check it every once in a while to see that the lights are on it. When the lights don't work, you know it took a hit and did it's job.

Anyone else have any experience with the whole house surge protectors? They are much cheaper than the multi-tap plug in units...

So in other words, you can hit info on the Samsung xx71 button when you have the PS3 as a source and you see 1080/24Hz coming in???


If so, is this just for BR or STD DVDs as well?




Thanks,

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BTW - Shayne, where do you live in Canada.. Man it is going to be getting BRUTAL cold this WKD man!!!! The NFL NFC game Sunday 5:30pm will be in Green Bay and it is supposed to be a high of 5 degrees.

Have to test for the FROZEN stutter and TBE ....

Thanks. I will check it out. As far as the 'mini-blinds' effect, does this happen during fast paced sequences? I have been noticing strange lines and boxes when people move their arms around or graphics go fast on the screen. I have fw 2004

I read that a lot of people are having problems with the LNT4071 when it comes to watching HD DVD/Blu Ray Movies. Apparently Auto Motion Plus blurs like crazy.

Thats what we are saying. Why would you have an objection to that? Kath37 straight from samsung states it was the FRC board. Petrovy service manual states there is two difeerent FRC boards. You agree that there needs to be a hardware change to require a completely different firmware. These are found in two different folders poney and peonym (micronas). What do you believe has changed. I also believe it can be stated with fact that the 2000 tv stutter less than the 1000. The amount of data and feed back on this forum has confirmed that. Youknowryan agrees that 2000's stutter less and for a short time changed his signature to 2000 stutter but less. I really think samsung would not like us to draw these conclusions but i do not care if the have any objections either.

Regards

Here is my online chat with the Samsung guy:

Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Asher R'
Asher R: Hello, I am a Samsung HDTV LiveChat representative. How may I assist you today?
Brian : Hi, I'm curious if there is any update to the TBE problem and stutter problem the 71 series panels are having?
Asher R: Let me know the model number of your TV?
Brian: lnt5271f
Asher R: Thank you for the information.
Asher R: The firmware fixes TBE when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is set to Off and Low. It also makes TBE about 50% better when AMP is set to Medium but did not do anything for the AMP high setting.
Brian : are they still working on a fix for the medium and high setting?
Brian : also, what FW number are you talking about?
Asher R: Yes, it will work if set to medium, but did not do anything for the AMP high setting.
Brian : I have 2 other pretty major issues with the set, 1 is the stuttering on some channels, it looks like the picture is moving a a frame per second sometimes
Brian : the other is on 1080i on hdmi1, when there are quick scene changes, it looks like there are 5 mini blinds cutting across the screen, this ONLY happens on 1080i sources and ONLY od hdmi 1, not 2 or 3
Asher R: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
Brian : ok
Asher R: As of right now STUDDER will not happen at all with AMP OFF.
Brian : correct, but I use AMP a lot when watching sports, the 120hz amp features are the main reason why I paid the extra money for the tv, I certainly don't want to have to leave them off all the time
Asher R: We have not figured out if this issue is source related or TV related yet so we can not guarantee a firmware update for stutter.
Asher R: We are looking into it and if a firmware or Hardware fix becomes available we will contact you to inform.
Brian : do you know why I would have the mini blind defects mentioned above on HDMI1 and nor 2 or 3
Asher R: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
Brian : k
Asher R: Our engineers are working stutter issue, once any update is available, we will contact you.
Brian : the defect with the mini blind effect flashing between scenes is seperate from the stutter issue, I have been troubleshooting it and noticed it only happens on hdmi port 1 when broadcasting a 1080i signal. ports 2 and 3 do not have the defect
Asher R: Let me know, does the screen gets dark?
Brian : no, just the middle of the screen gets about 5 lines across horizontal very quickly as the scene will change from one camera to another
Asher R: Okay, I understand your concern.
Asher R: If it happens on source, then there is no problem with the TV and its and issue with the sourece.
Brian : it would be the tv if the problem only shows up on HDMI port 1 and not in 2 or 3 with the same source
Asher R: Then try to connect another input source to check like a dvd player.
Brian : did, it happens when my dvd upscales to 1080i on port1
Brian : it seems like an interlacing issue only on hdmi1
Asher R: If the issues persists on all sources, then your TV needs to be serviced.
Brian : how do I go about getting a tech out to swap a board or whatever they may do?
Asher R: You can start by filling out one of these online service request forums that I will send over to you.
Asher R: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/re...viceRequest.do
Asher R: After that a service center will just contact you in 24-48 hours to arrange for a good time to come out there and inspect/fix the TV.
Brian : ok, thank you
Asher R: You are welcome. Is there anything else?
Brian : nope, thanks for all the info
Asher R: Thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. Please click on 'Close' button to end the chat session and take few minutes to fill in the Customer Survey Form. Your feedback is greatly appreciated

I attached 2 pics of either side of my screen. You'll see the black lines I'm talking about. Maybe its normal....dunno
Makes me feel like I bought a 45.97" screen.

That was not meant to argue but to explain what you said is a mystery to you.

But you're right, it's difficult to discuss matter with a closed mind. It's best we let it be.

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I'm debating calling in a service call for this too, Not sure exactly what they would do, even replacing the board may not fix it being that you just replaced the whole tv and still have the issue. What do you guys think?

All this talking about Motion Blurr & TBE and having to make firm upgrades makes me not buy the Samsung LNT4071 and go with the Sharp Aquos 42" with the free Blu Ray player. I used to own a Toshiba 37" 720p and not once noticed a problem, and Samsung has all these problems.

I apologize for the agenda crack and i am sorry. You have every right to be here like the rest of us. You must understand that the problems that you do not have on your set may exist for others.

Regards

To check your firmware version, here are the instructions:

1. Turn on your TV.
2. Press the MENU button on your remote.
3. Select SETUP, and then press ENTER.
4. Select Function Help, and then press ENTER.
5. Use the Up or Down arrow button on your remote to move down to Function Help to ON, and then press the ENTER button.
6. With Function Help ON highlighted (don't actually push ENTER on it), press the INFO button on the remote. Your firmware revision will be listed as two lines of information. The TOP line is your software firmware. The BOTTOM line is the hardware revision number.

You are probably not doing step 6 correctly. That's where a lot of users mess up.

Add step 5.5

5.5 Go back into the Help menu and move the pointer to the "ON" field so that it is highlighted/glowing.

6. Then press the "INFO" button on the remote.

The important part is to press Info while the On option is hightlighted under Function Help. Do not press enter while highlighting On as this will make the menu dissappear. Press Info and underneath the Menu box a smaller box will appear after a brief moment and list your software and motherboard.

Regards

You guys arent being helpful at all at not answeing my questions, that sucks I want to know what is the best firmware for the LNT-4071 and if its worth the buy or should I got with the LNT-4065F?

I would go for the 4071, this set has an amazing PQ and if you order from Amazon, it sounds like you would have a good chance at getting a 2xxx FRC model.

Even with AMP=OFF, the 4071 will outshine the 4065 in PQ.


As far as TBE, if you do get a 2xxx model, you can update the FW to 2004 and with this FW, there is no TBE when AMP=LO and very little on AMP=MED.




Go with the 4071..

Thank you for all the valuable information and for answering my question. At first I was looking to buy the Sharp 42" Aquos with Free Blu Ray DVD but hopefully I can get this TV and be satisfied with it. By the way, which one is the 2xxx model?

any info?

Damned Miniblinds/Scanlines My 4671 had no lines (1xxx firmware series). This 5271 2xxx firmware series has this mini blinds/ scanline problems. I noticed using a pc on all hdmi inputs and ps3. It was there. I then left the pc on hdmi1 and then renamed that input and voila. It went away, but when I did the same to hdmi2 it did not go away either with the pc or ps3. A tech is being scheduled by samsung to check it out. I had the 2003 firmware first and upgraded to see if it woulda fixed it and NADA! These scan lines manifest themselves on fast moving horizontal objects usually white or bright colors.

I have not noticed the "miniblind" effect on my set, but now that it has been brought up, I will probably see it . This site can be a curse sometimes. Make sure that you have DNR set to off, as that can cause some motion issues. The "boxes" could be a helped with DNR off, or may continue. I sometimes get some pixelation issues with motion.

NO Matter what settings I change I cannot get rid of the scanlines/miniblinds, only on hdmi1 w/ a pc hooked up to it and naming it "PC"

lol, gotta love that 45.97" tv. I have seen something like that before, but not always. I assumed it was just the source not sending a full image in Just Scan or something.....anyway, didn't worry about it. Does it remain when you go out of Just Scan to 16:9 mode?

I've been reading most of the posts in this thread and I am about ready to jump in and purchase the TV. I need to purchase it online but where is the best place to purchase in hopes of getting a 2002 firmware? I've heard that Amazon is pretty good and they have a good price on the 4071F. Does anyone know where else has a good price and better chance of getting a working firmware? Thanks.

Chalk up another issue(scanlines/miniblinds) for this TV. This should go into the FAQ now.

Well that is the tricky and $1M question..


The xx71 set (40, 46, 52) have two FRC cards used in it. There is a 1xxx and 2xxx card. Samsung initially used a 1xxx card and now (I think) may use either exclusively a Micronas 2xxx FRC card (or they may be using both).

Starting in October, Samsung started integrating the 2xxx FRC card (using a 2002, 2003.2 FW) on this card.

The latest FW update for the 2xxx card is the 2004 FW.


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From the vast majority of users on this thread, it seems to me that most people are very satisfied with the 2xxx (2002, 2003.2) FW, while the original 1xxx FRC card (noted w/ 1005, 1007, 1009 and latest 1013.1 FW) has more pronounced stutter. Stutter is defines as watching TV and the source slows down, then speeds up, then slows, then goes back to normal.

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In the past, it was theorized that trying to get a xx71 set with a serial number of having a PA (A = October), PB (B = November) or PC (C = December) would get you a 2xxx based set..

Well this is not the case as some people (including myself) got a PB (NOV) build and ended up with a 1xxx FRC 1013.1 FW set..


The only thing you can guarentee it seems is that if you get a serial number of P9 (9 = September) or earlier, you are guarenteed to get a 1xxx based set...



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So it is kind of a crap shoot on what set you will get 1xxx or 2xxx.


It seems to me that lately the LN-T5271 (52" line) when ordered from Amazon is giving the 2xxx line. I can not state that for the LN-T4071 thought..



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I am not sure where you are going to buy this. If at all possible, if you are buying from a Brick and Morter store such as BB, CC, Sears, try to get a look at the serial # on the box before you get it. The Px number is a 14 or so length number (the last numbers are Px12345) or something like that..




Have fun w/ that..

calibrate anytime, but post yer settings please

I pushed AMP too. Ran on High for almost 2 weeks. Then tried Low and discovered something. There is a halo effect, we have called it vapors, that is related to AMP. On my TV (fw 2002) TBE is pretty much the same with any setting of AMP, and TBE only bugs me a little. Vapors is another story, and with AMP=Low, little if any vapors. Vapors bugs the hell out of me.

I get very little stutter. If I got a lot it would bug me enough to return the TV. I see it so rarely, I don't know if it is better with AMP on Low or not.