Official Samsung LNT-xx71f Owners Thread - Page 819

Originally Posted by borf

This topic is confusing.
The general idea is this?

sync 120fps camera with refresh rate.
caputure a fast scene (each frame should be obvious)
Count frame sequence (3:2, 5:5 pattern ect)
No repeats = full interpolation
interpretation is the hard part

It sure would be fun to solve.
The dynamic backlight might make it hard to differentiate between frames.

Originally Posted by zinkie

THE VERY LEAST and I MEAN LEAST SAMUNG could do is to issue new remotes that have an AMP button on them to go from OFF-LOW-MED-HI in one simple push of the button.


To have to get into the damn MENU mode to AMP is ridiculous ALTHOUGH I do have it down to about 2-3 seconds now.... (NOT PER DESIGN THAT IS FOR SURE)

Originally Posted by SAS6907

That's tooo funny Doc.

PS - I'd just get the 5265 and smile!

Originally Posted by steuny1

ya, i actually had the 5265 and "upgraded" ... hindsight is great ... wish i just kept the 65 ... no stutter, no tbe. this whole amp thing is a load of crap.

Originally Posted by zinkie

I just got my NFL $100.00 coupon in the mail today, sent it in on 1-4-08..

3+ months (better than Sammy's proposed Stutter fix huh)

Originally Posted by dEEahn20

The most ideal solution for me is to keep the set and deal with tbe, stutter, but get some compensation for all the pain & suffering from samsung's expensive product that fails to properly do what has been advertized by the company. IMO this can only be achieved through a class action suit.

Originally Posted by borf

This topic is confusing.
The general idea is this?

sync 120fps camera with refresh rate.
caputure a fast scene (each frame should be obvious)
Count frame sequence (3:2, 5:5 pattern ect)
No repeats = full interpolation
interpretation is the hard part

It sure would be fun to solve.
The dynamic backlight might make it hard to differentiate between frames.

Originally Posted by Doctor P

So for years I have pined for a new flat screen television and would walk by the wall of screens with my 3 year old son saying "Someday Daddy's gonna buy one of these with a big screen and we will put on the surround sound system and feel like we are in the movie or at the game." "We have only one chance so we better get it right." And we waited and waited because all the pictures were too pixelated and movement was too blurry. But we kept coming back with our dream, knowing that someday the quality would reach the level that would justify this once-in-a-lifetime purchase. So now my son is 6 years old and we go by that wall of screens once more and HE says "Look at this one Daddy, it's amazin." There was this LNT-4671 Samsung with a PQ you could die for and I swooned. Like when I first met my wife, I just knew this was the one. Next I knew, there it was sitting in my family room, a new beloved member of my family bringing immeasurable joy to all who spent time with her. But wait, what's that? Derek Jeter throwing 3 baseballs? A DA on Law and Order with a seizure? I bought new expensive cables. Please tell me the NHL now uses 3 pucks! I refused to accept the truth. I began to rationalize - I don't even like LOST anyway! D#&% cable company scrimping on their signal strength! I was blinded by my Sammy's PQ and perfectly proportioned bezel. I began to shake like the picture and needed to start on medication. The pills worked for me but sadly the LNT-4671 was still beset by tremors. How do I tell my 6 year old that our Sammy is defective, permenantly diseased, incurably ill? Just another story of broken dreams and dashed expectations. A story repeated dozens of times in joints like this thread, in chat forums all over the world. Tell me, what do I say to my little boy?

Originally Posted by dEEahn20

The only prosumer camera that comes to mind that does over/under cranking is the panny hvx 200 which goes for over 4 grand. You need to pay another grand for the p2 flash card that records the data plus it only overcranks (in the 24/30 arena) to 60fps. At the very least, to do this test will cost 10s of thousands of dollars. Many film cameras do this, but then it must be telecined. Basically this is never going to happen, even if you rent at bargain prices, the bill will still be more than anyone is willing to foot. However, there may be a cheaper alternative with CCTV cameras but again you will need the camera, image recording device, and playback system to analyze the images. If anyone is willing to do this I will personally doante $10(ten) USD .

Originally Posted by clau

I thought the point is how do you tell 60Hz refresh rate from 120Hz refresh rate via repeated frames. You are assuming that we were talking about 24Hz film sources.

ABCD... at 60Hz should look the same as AABBCCDD... at 120Hz.

Originally Posted by clau

This camera takes photos at up to 1K fps, and it is relatively cheap:

http://www.casio.com/products/Cameras/Exilim_Pro/

If you simply want to find out whether the set does 4 interpolated frames from 24Hz sources or not, it is much easier. You find some segments from HD-DVD or BD where they show an object moving fast across the screen. I posted on this once, and I think something that moves across the width of the screen in 3 secs will suffice: 1920p/3s=640 pixels/sec=26.7 pixels per frame. Turn AMP on. You take a photo using a camera with shutter speed of, say 1/12 sec. If the TV adds 4 interpolated frames, you should see 9 to 11 of that object in the exposed photo. Otherwise you will only see 3 to 5 objects.

Originally Posted by clau


If you simply want to find out whether the set does 4 interpolated frames from 24Hz sources or not, it is much easier. You find some segments from HD-DVD or BD where they show an object moving fast across the screen. I posted on this once, and I think something that moves across the width of the screen in 3 secs will suffice: 1920p/3s=640 pixels/sec=26.7 pixels per frame. Turn AMP on. You take a photo using a camera with shutter speed of, say 1/12 sec. If the TV adds 4 interpolated frames, you should see 9 to 11 of that object in the exposed photo. Otherwise you will only see 3 to 5 objects.

Originally Posted by clau

This camera takes photos at up to 1K fps, and it is relatively cheap:

http://www.casio.com/products/Cameras/Exilim_Pro/

Originally Posted by Doctor P

So for years I have pined for a new flat screen television and would walk by the wall of screens with my 3 year old son saying "Someday Daddy's gonna buy one of these with a big screen and we will put on the surround sound system and feel like we are in the movie or at the game." "We have only one chance so we better get it right." And we waited and waited because all the pictures were too pixelated and movement was too blurry. But we kept coming back with our dream, knowing that someday the quality would reach the level that would justify this once-in-a-lifetime purchase. So now my son is 6 years old and we go by that wall of screens once more and HE says "Look at this one Daddy, it's amazin." There was this LNT-4671 Samsung with a PQ you could die for and I swooned. Like when I first met my wife, I just knew this was the one. Next I knew, there it was sitting in my family room, a new beloved member of my family bringing immeasurable joy to all who spent time with her. But wait, what's that? Derek Jeter throwing 3 baseballs? A DA on Law and Order with a seizure? I bought new expensive cables. Please tell me the NHL now uses 3 pucks! I refused to accept the truth. I began to rationalize - I don't even like LOST anyway! D#&% cable company scrimping on their signal strength! I was blinded by my Sammy's PQ and perfectly proportioned bezel. I began to shake like the picture and needed to start on medication. The pills worked for me but sadly the LNT-4671 was still beset by tremors. How do I tell my 6 year old that our Sammy is defective, permenantly diseased, incurably ill? Just another story of broken dreams and dashed expectations. A story repeated dozens of times in joints like this thread, in chat forums all over the world. Tell me, what do I say to my little boy?

Originally Posted by petrovy

Similar situation with myself...and that seems like a pretty good idea.
Keeping in mind that any lawsuit would take years to fruition, if it even goes through....however, we would always have the option of some sort of fix via warranty in the mean time.
Using that Sam blu ray player lawsuit as a template may be feasible....just requires some modifications.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/0...uRayNewark.pdf

We already have some decent backup documentation:
>Samsungs own firmware press release
>Samsungs own commercials (hopefully someone has a video copy)as Darth indicated
>the TBE/Stutter DS which I can easily convert to .xls file
>youknows Stutter survey

And probably lots of other things that I can't think of right now.

And..oh yeah...I still have the ORIGINAL STICKERS

Originally Posted by 9thPassyunk

Just took my xx71 back to CC and exchanged it for the 650. This was the 2nd xx71 that I have had the delamination/dead pixel problem with. I pleaded my case to the Store manager as it had been 4 months since I received the 2nd set after my initial problem. I fortunately purchased CC's extended warranty after my first problem.

I was fully prepared for the manager to say that we would send someone over to your home to take a look at the set. When I explained to him that all I want is a set that works, and presented that I would like to upgrade to a 650 so I did not have a 3rd problem, he agreed. All I had to do was pay $200 in the difference in price.

I am very pleased with the way CC handled this problem as I did not want to go through a long, drawn out process to get another xx71. I loved my xx71 as far as PQ, but did not want to take another chance. FWIW...

Originally Posted by carrera1

Well if you really had a six your old and were a responsible parent you woudn't have to explain anything to him about a TV. This is utter nonsense..

Originally Posted by ercdvs

Just to clarify.. the 'bug' with the DNIe demo mode (split down the middle) has no fix as of yet? It happens rarely, just just often enough to bother me.

Originally Posted by DarthAVS

I just finished an on line chat with Samsung (Sheryl C). I grilled her about the TBE and she kept insisting that it is fixed on TBE LOW and she did state the engineers are still working on a fix for AMP on HIGH. She said again that they are NOT working on a fix for stutter. I highly doubt they are working on anything, but since I have all of the chat sessions sent to my email, I have more ammunition against Samsung should I need it, especially when she states they are working on it and will be available soon.

Originally Posted by waxings

I have been reading your posts for a few weeks now to follow the problems with the 71's. Here is my dilemma. I recently purchased the set from Crutchfield the unit was on back order but recently shipped. I have not opened the box because the room where the tv is going is not ready. What do you all think I should do? Many love the sets and many others do not. Are the issues that are being discussed mostly with newer sets or older made sets? Is there a chance that I may not have any issues? I have Cox digital Cable. Do some of you feel that some of the problems are the cable source?

I am just looking for opinions and any input that you all might have.

Thanks

Originally Posted by zinkie


3+ months (better than Sammy's proposed Stutter fix huh)

Originally Posted by marka99

Maybe you've hit on the problem...not enough time for Samsung to fix the problem.

I suggest getting them to agree to swap out the xx71 for a 750, then complaining about the stutter *now*, before it even gets released, to give them more time to fix the problem, before next year's model comes out.

And...make sure that you get them working on those sticker updates, too.

Originally Posted by cnjax

Seems others have stated that sammy is only offering a 71, 81, or 650 as replacements, the 750 will not be out until sometime in May.

Originally Posted by davez82

well thats great, im just wondering why no one else is complaining of this problem.

Originally Posted by borf

Makes sense. Yea I was referring to the 5:5 thing. Has anyone tried it? If not I might tomorrow just because i'm curious.
I personally never thought there was 5:5 because judder's always present - guess.