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post #31 of 28844
8/21/07 at 1:45am
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maybe mark1080p can stop whining, the gloss is not that bad as I was always saying.

Please, no G-word, this is a new owner's thread . Anyway, this set sounds very impressive in the proper environment, can't wait to see it under subdued lighting. It would be nice to see the black level banded champ dethroned.
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post #32 of 28844
8/21/07 at 3:20am
Congrats sharp, those ridgeracer pics look CRT-like.

Do mention if you notice a lot of input lag.

Oh yea, and PC overscan.


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post #33 of 28844
8/21/07 at 3:22am
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Mike53 of SharpUSA once said the LCD business is one of a leapfrog event and this demonstrates they have been trumped and the next gen D62 series has nothing I've seen in it's spec's that match this other than thinnner, lighter form factor and God forbid unresolved bands that may still be prevalent. Sharp rules in the 65" realm for now and that's about it.

Looks like Sharp will lose yet more market share until CES 2008 and they best have some special as they may have some catching up to play with these band free panels from Samsung/Sony.

Congrats to new owners and can't wait to see observational reports on the new 57" 81 series and someday everyone's dream panel the 70". Nice to see the excitement provided it survives the honeymoon period which is rare on this forum.
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post #34 of 28844
8/21/07 at 4:47am
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I knew I shouldn't have gone to walmart. Been playing bioshock for 5 hours straight. Here are some pics to wet your wistle as I need to go to sleep now. More later along with in depth review.....
Lindsy Lohan on Conan, man she looked haggard. Hope she isn't shopping for a 71. Sorry lindsy, even this tv can't make you look good...
scenes from her new movie
Bioshock opening scene. Don't know what those lines are, my iPhone picked them up. This is actual in game footage not cgi. Look at that freakn water man, and the fire, imagine what it looks like on my couch. These are taken with iPhone so more dark than they appear
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post #35 of 28844
8/21/07 at 4:47am
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Ok and the best part, picture in picture. You have 3 options now. The orginal PIP that we are used to with the pic in the bottom right corner

basically I am using hdmi with the 360 on one screen and cable on another... Sorry poor cable
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post #36 of 28844
8/21/07 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by sharpjunkie View Post

basically I am using hdmi with the 360 on one screen and cable on another... Sorry poor cable

Is your cable just bad, or is the TV doing a poor job with the cable? How do you 71 owners feel about SD performance? I know that it's one of the things that seems to suck about the low-end HDTVs; I just hope the high-end companies don't start neglecting it.

Edit: Oh, and does anyone know where we might find a PDF of the manual for the 71-series, or will we just have to wait for Samsung to update their website?
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post #37 of 28844
8/21/07 at 5:16am
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Is your cable just bad, or is the TV doing a poor job with the cable? How do you 71 owners feel about SD performance? I know that it's one of the things that seems to suck about the low-end HDTVs; I just hope the high-end companies don't start neglecting it.

I don't really have cable. Well I do but not really. I only have comcast internet. The other month I was just messing around and plugged my tv coax into the wall and did a channel check. Low and behold I am able to get abcHD, foxHD, nbcHD, and cbsHD along with 2 other random HD channels. It has been about 2 months or so and I still get those channels for free. Can you imagine the smile on my face. I also get about 10 normal channels in SD and the counterparts of abc, fox, nbc, and cbs in SD. I will do comparrison photos of those later when I get time. I was just doing some quick pics with the split screen. The cable feed you see is over the air and that was the only channel that came in. My free hd and sd channels from the wall outlet are on the cable coax input I believe. I will have to check it later. The funny thing is that I get the exact same channels from the wall coax as I did with my indoor HD antenna from radio shack. No more tinkering with the antenna. I love HD. I only watch those HD channels and don't watch sd channels. I watch Lost, Heroes, and news in HD along with sports. I could never watch SD again so for me not a big deal. I knew full strong before buying this set that it would be used mostly for Gaming, HD, and blu-ray. Hope that answers your questions... Oh one more thing, after watching casino royal on blu-ray in 1080p24, I don't think I could ever go to the theatre again or watch a standard dvd again. Nor can I go to my friends house for football games. Stay tuned for later today. I will be posting some SDdvd pics, more game pics people requested, more blu-ray pics, calibrate my set, show sd cable vs hd cable pics, and talk about some of the features of the tv and what settings I have been using for gaming, dvd, hd, and the like. Goodnight.
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post #38 of 28844
8/21/07 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by sharpjunkie View Post

I don't really have cable. Well I do but not really. I have comcast internet. The other day I was just messing around and plugged my tv into the wall and did a channel check. Low and behold I am able to get abcHD, foxHD, nbcHD, and cbsHD along with 2 other random HD channels. I also get about 10 normal channels in SD and the counterparts of abc, fox, nbc, and cbs in SD.

I read somewhere that cable companies are required to provide the broadcast HD channels if you have any form of cable. I can't say I've checked that rule. Thanks for the update.

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I could never watch SD again so for me not a big deal. I knew full strong before buying this set that it would be used mostly for Gaming, HD, and blu-ray. Hope that answers your questions...

Yeah, I just have to be able to catch my Daily Show and Mythbusters with some sort of decent viewing quality.
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post #39 of 28844
8/21/07 at 5:33am
So I assume tearing is inevitable on these new sets 71/81 ?
Does the motion plus help at all, on or off?
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post #40 of 28844
8/21/07 at 6:35am
So when comparing this to the 65 series, you'd say that the motion blur was eliminated?
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post #41 of 28844
8/21/07 at 7:49am
Wow, what those images of Bioshock tell me is that they screwed up the widescreen perspective of the game. You should see more of the game in WS, not less. You see more in the SD mode. That's just messed up.
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post #42 of 28844
8/21/07 at 7:55am
For those interested in differences between Samsung 71 and the Sony XBR4:

I was able to compare both (46") at CC, where they were playing the same feed and were positioned right next to one another. All of the settings were the same on both tvs. There was no question for me that the Sony XBR4 produced "blacker" blacks. It was to the point that the Samsung's attempt at black came out gray.

As for colors, both sets were worlds beyond the older tvs. Again though, sony gets the edge. I couldnt believe how the color popped off the sony, even with the matte screen. The sony picture appeared 3D, and that is the first time i ever saw that in my life!!! The Samsung had great color but simply wasnt 3D. In terms of 120HZ power, both sets have it and they seemed very comparable.

Dont get me wrong, the Samsung is a great tv, one of the best yet to come out but i have to go with the Sony. I promptly ordered the Sony after leaving the store. Hope this helps anyone...
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post #43 of 28844
8/21/07 at 7:59am
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There was no question for me that the Sony XBR4 produced "blacker" blacks. It was to the point that the Samsung's attempt at black came out gray.

This puzzles me since I have a LN-T4665F home and at day the blacks look deeper than the bezel. It's when darkness comes that the picture looks gradually lighter and lighter. At night when all lights are off the set illuminates the room with its blacks. They seem to be much better than any other LCD but they still aren't complete blacks.

I know we'll have to wait for newer technologies (as the one in the 81 series) to get complete blacks but since I'm looking at the 71 series and the XBR4 I'm wondering which one is blacker and how much the difference matter.

I just find it hard to believe that the Samsung set you saw was properly calibrated; mine NEVER looks grey at day (and it's supposed to be less deep than the 71 you saw).
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post #44 of 28844
8/21/07 at 8:09am
Believe me, i was as surprised as you are. I am telling you that with both sets on the same settings, the sony beat the samsung in blacks, no question. This resulted in better colors (there is zero question about that) and the "3D effect" i was saying. This effect was only present on the Sony, not the Samsung. All i can say is that the Samsung looked great but the Sony was STUNNING!
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post #45 of 28844
8/21/07 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by doc21mt View Post

Believe me, i was as surprised as you are. I am telling you that with both sets on the same settings, the sony beat the samsung in blacks, no question. This resulted in better colors (there is zero question about that) and the "3D effect" i was saying. This effect was only present on the Sony, not the Samsung. All i can say is that the Samsung looked great but the Sony was STUNNING!

Compared both yesterday at a local CC. The blacks on the Samsung were amazing, and the picture was comparable or better than the Sony. But what the Sony had that the Samsung didn't was flashlighting in the corners. It appears that Sony still can't get this right. They'll never get my business until they do.

The store didn't have an 81, which I really wanted to compare the 71 to, but they did have the 71 right near a 5265. It wasn't light years better, but it was definitely better. Going back tonight to play around some more.
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post #46 of 28844
8/21/07 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

Compared both yesterday at a local CC. The blacks on the Samsung were amazing, and the picture was comparable or better than the Sony.

Though i respect your opinion, i couldnt disagree with you more. The Sony i saw beat out the Samsung in everything (color, blacks, etc.). As i said earlier, both of these sets have the best color of anything else out there but the sony had the "3D effect," whereas the Samsung looked very colorful and vibrant, but flat.
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post #47 of 28844
8/21/07 at 8:43am
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Though i respect your opinion, i couldnt disagree with you more. The Sony i saw beat out the Samsung in everything (color, blacks, etc.). As i said earlier, both of these sets have the best color of anything else out there but the sony had the "3D effect," whereas the Samsung looked very colorful and vibrant, but flat.

maybe the sony had the motionflow on hight
or the settings on the Sony were better, was your comparison on a drk room?
so the comparison is fair
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post #48 of 28844
8/21/07 at 8:47am
The comparison was at CC, so it was not a dark room. The 120HZ settings were the same for both tvs. I would adjust them so that they were equal on both sets when i compared them. I found the settings much more "user friendly" (easier to access, etc.) on the sony than the samsung.

In comparison, there is no way in the world that between the two sets that i saw for over 30 minutes, the samsung looked better. That was my experience.
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post #49 of 28844
8/21/07 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by blu3flam3 View Post

maybe the sony had the motionflow on hight
or the settings on the Sony were better, was your comparison on a drk room?
so the comparison is fair

He posted the same thing over in Sony XB4/5 and I replied that it's not fair to compare them in store with tons of lights and who knows what kind of setting each set has. To be fair, compare them in your home under optimal conditions. Then, will see about that.

And by the way, the last few posters over there, Sony XBR4/5, are started talking about clouds and mura!
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post #50 of 28844
8/21/07 at 11:49am
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He posted the same thing over in Sony XB4/5 and I replied that it's not fair to compare them in store with tons of lights and who knows what kind of setting each set has. To be fair, compare them in your home under optimal conditions. Then, will see about that.

And by the way, the last few posters over there, Sony XBR4/5, are started talking about clouds and mura!

Clouds, mura, and flashlighting. It's last year all over again for Sony. Let's hope that this message thread doesn't turn into yet another "what firmware are you running!?" like they currently have in the 61/65 thread. Yeesh what a debacle that is.
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post #51 of 28844
8/21/07 at 12:25pm
Okay...here are a couple impressions from one night of viewing.

I spotted another two dead pixels, not as noticeable as the one that I originally posted about, but they're there. I'll probably end up just exchanging for another one unless the 81's completely knock me on my ass.

As far as black levels and PQ goes, this thing is amazing. I just came from having the Panny 50pz750u plasma, and these black levels are much better! Motion is perfect with AutoMotion OFF.

I think turning on AutoMotion induces too much processor lag. You'll notice that with it on, it kind of looks like the movie you're watching is on fast forward and occasionally you will get some kind of FPS jitter. 1080p/24fps is AMAZING though. I can't even begin to describe how smooth it is.

I am having an issue with the backlight though, its not that its not consistent or anything, but when I switch picture modes, the backlight isn't changing to the picture mode I switch to. Say I'm using the "standard" mode with a backlight of 5, and then I switch to "movie" mode with a backlight of 1, it will stay at that 5 backlight until I go into the menu and switch either the picture mode manually or turn the backlight down manually. This problem only happens when I use the picture button to swap PQ modes.
EDIT: Now I don't know if it's the backlight, it might be the Gamma that doesn't switch properly.

All in all, I love the TV. I couldn't believe how amazing it looked when I watched the BD version of TMNT with the scene where Raph fights Leonardo. Overall, I'd recommend it to all of my customers when they come in and shop at Magnolia. The blacks are incredible and the colors contest the best plasmas out there, definitely the only opposition for the Pioneer 8G's.
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post #52 of 28844
8/21/07 at 12:45pm
FYI...a certain interweb site is under MSRP on the 71...though they don't have any in stock. B U Y.com
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post #53 of 28844
8/21/07 at 12:45pm
How would you compare this set against the pio 5080hd?

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Okay...here are a couple impressions from one night of viewing.
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Overall, I'd recommend it to all of my customers when they come in and shop at Magnolia. The blacks are incredible and the colors contest the best plasmas out there, definitely the only opposition for the Pioneer 8G's.
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post #54 of 28844
8/21/07 at 2:20pm
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I knew I shouldn't have gone to walmart. Been playing bioshock for 5 hours straight. Here are some pics to wet your wistle as I need to go to sleep now. More later along with in depth review...

Hi, great pictures. This TV seems to be fabulous.

I have a (maybe stupid) question!
Next is a picture of Bioshock (X360) on a Plasma Pioneer PDP5080XD (nicknamed "Kuro").

Can you make a similar shot from your 71, so we could compare?!?

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post #55 of 28844
8/21/07 at 2:20pm
Sharp,

Those BioShock pictures of the water and fire looked really crazy. It definitely looks like the TV is great.

Not sure if you mentioned it earlier, but how does the TV fare on the whole glare situation. I can see the reflections when your flash goes off obviously, but other pictures look good.

Do you have lights or windows in your viewing area? If so could you take a picture with no flash with one of the lights on or windows open?

I had purchased the 4665 and the glare really killed it for me. I didn't think it would, but unlike the CRT I had (which had it), this screen was so much bigger, it was just irritating to watch. At this point the glare issue would steer me towards the XBR4 more so than the 71.

From scanning both threads so far, it seems some people have some preference, but looking at the pictures and reading the discussions, it sounds like either one of these TVs will take you closer (than ever before) to where you want to be.

BTW...game on Sharp! Good to see you getting your game on. Also, how do you know Lindsay didn't look like that because she was out all night trying to get her copy of Bioshock to play. Maybe she ran into Miss Spears and they played BioSnort.

Anyway, thanks for the info and pictures so far, and keep them coming.
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post #56 of 28844
8/21/07 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

joeLTron and Sharpjunkie,

These 71s look fiercely competitive. I do have two questions about them for you:

(1) Do either of you know what the static contrast ratio is? Is it just ~1800:1 (paper: 2000:1) like the 65s? My assumption is that it is not, simply because the dynamic contrast is a full 10000 higher in the 71s, so I figure some portion of that has to be from an improved static ratio. Any way to tell?

(2) Have either of you tried using your panel as a computer monitor yet? I am especially interested in their performance via DVI --> HDMI, with special focus on: (a) the (my) absolute requirement of 1-1 pixel mapping, and (b) flashes and/or dropouts, as experienced by all-too-many 61 and 65 owners.

Thanks for any information you can give and my goodness, do enjoy those new sets!

Yours,

David

I have no clue what the static is. I have used my macbook to dvi to hdmi cable and was able to do a mirror screen the on the 71 at 1080p60. The option to change the framerate was grayed out at 60 and unable to change. Have not been able to connect my window HTPC yet as I have to connect my old 15inch monitor to change the settings. But I have not had any flashes on the screen of green or pink on any of the HDMI. No tearing either like in the 53h series...
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post #57 of 28844
8/21/07 at 2:39pm
Sharpjunkie,

So how much of a glow is there on an all black screen when in the dark?

I saw the 71 in store @ CC and it looked really nice.
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8/21/07 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by Kamgusta View Post

Hi, great pictures. This TV seems to be fabulous.

I have a (maybe stupid) question!
Next is a picture of Bioshock (X360) on a Plasma Pioneer PDP5080XD (nicknamed "Kuro").

Can you make a similar shot from your 71, so we could compare?!? here is that comparison


The few things I notice right off the bat is that the pipe he is holding is gray in your picture. In my picture the pipe is blacker.


The "welcome to rapture" sign is not that bright. iPhone cam makes it look like the sun....


Here is proof of 1080p24 ps3 blu ray



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Sharpjunkie,

So how much of a glow is there on an all black screen when in the dark?

I saw the 71 in store @ CC and it looked really nice.

are you asking about reflection on the screen or just the actual room and any light seepage from the screen? When the screen is black at night, the room is black. Well i will test that tonight. I have a bunch of bright blue wall lights so i don't run into walls at night so I will unplug those..
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post #59 of 28844
8/21/07 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by scsnospam View Post

How would you compare this set against the pio 5080hd?

Depends, I like to shop for the customers needs. Since this is a more expensive set than the 5080...it would boil down to what you wanted to do with it. I think its worth the extra bit if you wanted an all around tv...but if you were a bit older without kids that played games and you yourself just watched movies and TV, I'd probably tell you to get the 5080. If you were a have to have it all kinda guy, I'd tell you to get the 4671. IMO the superior set is the 71...but its subjective.
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post #60 of 28844
8/21/07 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by sharpjunkie View Post

are you asking about reflection on the screen or

Thank you for the Bioshock screen! Amazing...

He is talking about this:
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