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post #10381 of 10626
Shin CZ>
Did you reviewed the DT990 600ohm already? How are they vs K701/2 or Aurvana?
post #10382 of 10626
Purely for positional audio in MP games, Has anyone made a comparison of the Sony SA3000 with the Audiotechnica AD 700 or AKG 701?


Thanks.
post #10383 of 10626
They get here in a few days. They were shipped out Monday. I do expect a few things...

I hear they need quite a bit of burn in to tone down the sharp treble a bit.

I can only compare how well they do with gaming as of right now with the Mixamp fully on Game, to see if they are as hard to drive as the K701 or more so. For music, I will wait for the E9 to give them more stability and juice though I will try it with the E7. Micca's store actually used the DT990/600 with the E7 and found them to sound pretty great, so that makes me happy.

Sound-wise I expect big thumpy bass, without the boominess of a closed headphone, and larger soundstage than the DT880s (which is pretty much agreed all over the nets that it is). I expect them to be quite bright (I prefer bright headphones), with a fun u shaped curve, which is a whole different beast than the K701. Big bass plus big soundstage is two things I never expected out of headphones. Always thought that more bass would hinder soundstage, we'll see.

The mids are obviously not on par with the low and highs, but I have read that it's more like the mids being on the same level as the DT880's but that the lows and highs are boosted that some think the mids are 'recessed'. Like an EQ'd DT880 but with it's own distinct sound. I really liked the DT880, but want a little more fun out of this can, and be the opposite of my K701 which is more akin to the DT880 with less bass, and more mids and soundstage.

Pretty much all comparisons between the DT990 vs the K70x and DT880 result in similar opinions. They love the reference sound in their K70x and 880s, and feel like they wanna sing along with the vocals but once they put on the 990/600s, they wanna jam out with the band or dance to the music. Very different, but all enjoyable just the same.

I can't wait.
post #10384 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

It's just that that big '600 ohms' makes it sound like it needs more current or something compared to the 67 ohms of the K70x. This is what scares me when comparing them.

Though from many reviews, I keep seeing quite a few people say that they still sound good and loud even with onboard soundcards. That sounds like the Mixamp will suit it well for my needs until I back it up with the E9.

I think driving low impedance cans is generally looked at as being harder from a design standpoint than high impedance cans. For low impedance cans, you need an amp capable of higher current, and for high impedance cans, you need an amp capable of higher voltage. So they are quite different requirements from the amp. My bet is that you'll find the same thing that I did, though, that the 600 ohm beyers will be driven by your amps similarly to the K701/K702. My guess as to why this is, is the sensitivity differences between the two. The K701/2 are very insensitive, so even though you are delivering more power to them than to the DT880 with low voltage amps, they are making about the same use of the power (strictly in terms of volume).
post #10385 of 10626
Cool. I have extremely high hopes for the DT990/600. I have been reading up on them like a LOOOOOOOOOT. I don't think I've ever been this excited about a headphone. Reviewers, audiophiles, and non-audiophiles alike have compared them to many higher end, comparitively priced, open, closed, and what have you. The DT990/600 are extremely well received throughout.

I was blown away by how prestigious the sound was off the DT880, and I expect even more from the DT990 as it's more to my liking as a slight bass/treblehead.

The one review I saw comparing the DT770 Pro 80s vs the DT990 made the 770 Pro 80s sound like they were nearly low fi compared to the 990s. Pretty much improved in every aspect I wanted from the 770 Pros, which was clarity, bass refinement, soundstage, and overall wow factor.

But hey, I pretty much prefer the Creative Aurvana Live over the DT770 Pros in every way except soundstage and positioning.

I am VERY impatient and can't stop thinking about the damn 990s. >_< I was SOOOO close on getting the DT770/600 instead, but I figured the CAL already does everything I could want in a closed headphone...not to say that the 770/600 couldn't probably best it in every way. Figured I'd spend my money on another type of sound altogether.

Meanwhile, I have been playing a bit more Star Ocean on the PS3 with the K701 hooked up the the E7 after the Mixamp. The E7's bass boost 1 is considered to be a slightly warmer version of bass boost 0, and I agree. The bass is warmer but not 'emphasized' much more. I found it to work EXTREMELY well with the K701, and fixed the K701's lack of bass without altering it's clarity or overall signature with the exception of it being just a smidge warmer than they were. I'd say they sound like the DT880's now but with more soundstage and obviously better positioning.

I wish one of you could test out the K701/2 with the E7 after the Mixamp. I'm not crazy. It sounds fantastic. I have my Mixamp at about 90% master volume (fully on Game), and the E7 at about 35-40 out of the max 60 in volume.

It's a blessed experience, and I have a hard time believing a REAL amp can offer a huge upgrade in SQ compared to it. I'm obviously just assuming, but there is nothing underdriven about it's sound.

That being said, the E7 OBVIOUSLY can't drive the K701 efficiently when I have it hooked up to the laptop or Fuze. It's only with the Mixamp that I feel the K701 is missing nothing. Of course, this is all based on not having voice chat enabled, as I always stress to mention.

I will applaud the Mixamp for being able to make the K701 sound as good as it does compared to everything else I have hooked it up to (including receivers), and it's a great pair for the E7 for the K701.

I cannot WAIT for the E9. Fiio has a dedicated customer in me, and I hope they continue to deliver such great price/performance ratio in the future.

Just look at reviews on the E7 by people with much more expensive dac/amps. They all mostly agree on how good the E7 really is.

Whomever it was that recently bought a K702 and the E7, please give us your opinions on the combo with the Mixamp.
post #10386 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

I wish one of you could test out the K701/2 with the E7 after the Mixamp. I'm not crazy. It sounds fantastic. I have my Mixamp at about 90% master volume (fully on Game), and the E7 at about 35-40 out of the max 60 in volume.

I finally tried the K702 yesterday with Dead Rising 2, and KZ2. However, is too soon for me to tell you my impressions. I had the E7 on Bass Boost 3 (on SP) and sounded cool, but I will try it tonight again with Bass 1, to test Shin's configuration. I also had E7 volume on 30, because it was too loud.

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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

Whomever it was that recently bought a K702 and the E7, please give us your opinions on the combo with the Mixamp.

Hey! I'm not whoever! :P

heh... well. I did a quick 1 hour test of mixamp+k702 on kz2, and I couldn't hear footsteps at all, but I guess kz2 is to blame, since are explosions everywhere. I will take my time this week to test k702 vs QC15, and multi vs single, and mixamp vs mixamp+e7.

Anyway, they are VERY light compared to their size. Still burning them, but I'm excited to test them more. Unfortunately, just came from vacations so I had to go to supermarket so I started playing at midnight :P

*rubbing hands*
post #10387 of 10626
Lol, sorry, there's so many people here, and I have trouble remembering who owns what.

Dunno how KZ2 fares, but CoD4 and MW2 are probably better when it comes to testing footsteps and whatnot.
post #10388 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

Lol, sorry, there's so many people here, and I have trouble remembering who owns what.

heh np :P

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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

Dunno how KZ2 fares, but CoD4 and MW2 are probably better when it comes to testing footsteps and whatnot.

Yeah.. i guess so. I plan to buy COD Black Ops, so... I'll see how it works with it someday. In the meantime, will test it with my current games
post #10389 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

I used the HD280 Pros and Yrd got them spot on. They become ridiculously uncomfortable due to the vacuum seal they form. Think high altitude x10. I hated them. I wasn't a fan of their sound either. Something about Sennheisers that I don't particularly care for. I don't think I'd even consider an HD650... I prefer a neutral to bright phone. Senns tend to be warm, and that much warmth begins to sound like a veil to me. No thanks. The only warm headphone I've ever enjoyed was the CAL, and they're at the cut off point of warmth enjoyability.

I'm hoping the E9 is well received, because if not, I may do something stupid and get a Matrix M-Stage...

Meant K280/K290. AKG headphones. My Bad.

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Originally Posted by TheNewb View Post

How do the HD280's Sound compared to the F1's, DT880's, DT770's and AD900?

F1's are more open with a more natural & 3D type sound stage.. L to R depth & width is easily the best I heard.. 2nd only to the K1000..
post #10390 of 10626
Which has a more powerful headphone out (in order :

Earforce DDS
Tritton AX720 Decoder
Astro Mixamp
post #10391 of 10626
You asking or telling us?

I'd like to know this too. Considering how well the Mixamp can power the K701 when juicing just game audio, I wonder how the others to pull this off. That, and I wonder how the bass boost knob on the DSS works.

If I have bass boost all the way to minimum, is it the 'neutral' point? Or is it less bass than neutral? I could see the DT770 Pros and XB700 working even better for gaming if there was a sort of negative bass levels.

Probably a stupid question to ask...

edit: Tracked the DT990/600. They'll be here this morning. I can't wait... though I'm gonna have to burn them in for a bit anyways, and won't be able to enjoy them as my work week just started, and I get no decently long game time until Monday.

Bah, at least they'll have some solid burn in hours by the time I really test them out. Gonna have to rent MW2 again...

Fiio needs to like post some news as to what's up with the E9's release... The late October planned release is creeping up and nothing has been mentioned, though some reviewers got some last week but can't post any reviews until Fiio drops info on the E9 being truly done and ready to sell. Ugh! This wait is killing me.
post #10392 of 10626
Damn! Fiio is on a roll right now. They JUST posted up news on the L7 lod cable for the E7, making work just as a DAC, meaning that I can get a beefy amp for it once I get the L7 cable!
They also mentioned the E9 being pretty much ready and it making the October release date...

I wanna wait until the E9 is reviewed to see if it does well with the K701 and 600ohm Beyers... I don't mind spending an extra $150 over the E9 for a Matrix M-Stage but only if it's significantly better than the E9...

This is gonna be one helluva early holiday season for me... XD
post #10393 of 10626
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Originally Posted by TheNewb View Post

Which has a more powerful headphone out (in order :

Earforce DDS
Tritton AX720 Decoder
Astro Mixamp

i can test from a pure volume standpoint with the mixamp and ax720 decoder with my k702.

without testing, i'd say the ax720 is louder and the mixamp is cleaner... but we'll see.
post #10394 of 10626
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Originally Posted by formulanerd View Post

i can test from a pure volume standpoint with the mixamp and ax720 decoder with my k702.

without testing, i'd say the ax720 is louder and the mixamp is cleaner... but we'll see.

I wouldn't be surprised with that result either. Everyone says the Mixamp needs help when chat is mixed in, but I found that with the Ax720 I could mix chat without much issue. The only problem was that I needed to turn the voice volume up louder than normal, which resulted in some background hiss. I couldn't hear it during MP matches, but in between it was definitely there.
post #10395 of 10626
so the tritton has better sound than the mixamp basically?
post #10396 of 10626
The AX720 are easy to mod too.
post #10397 of 10626
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Originally Posted by TheNewb View Post

so the tritton has better sound than the mixamp basically?

Louder != better, despite what spinal tap may have you believing.
post #10398 of 10626
Basically: Which has Better Dolby Decoding for Positioning and SQ?
post #10399 of 10626
Just got my DT990/600! (had to wake up to open the door, lol).

Initial thoughts (haven't even had them for 15 minutes yet):

1. The Fiio E7 CANNOT drive these alone, whether from my Fuze OR my netbook. I had to add the E5 right after the E7 to drive them loud enough for my taste which is obviously not ideal.

2. I believe they sound weaker than the K701 when juiced by the E7 or unamped. The reason the K701 sounds good with the E7 for me is because Bass Boost 3 raises overall volume and bass to the point of making them fun and loud enough, but Bass Boost 3 would make the 990/600 too bassy for their own good and ruin the perfect balance that they have for my preferred frequency curve.

I can't give any REAL impressions on their sound yet as it's obviously lacking the juice necessary for them but what I hear is freaking RIGHT in my league of preference. Right out of the box, they are definitely on the bright side of the spectrum, with a lot of crispness and detail to the sound. The bass is definitely in a league of it's own. It's fast yet thumpy bass, so to all those who felt the bass was just a tad bit too neutral on the DT880s will love the DDT990/600's bass. Not one hint of boominess, but not lacking whatsoever. I'd say the bass is right where a basshead would be happy, while those who are anal about mids and highs getting drowned out would be super happy. The treble is sparkly right now, and I don't notice any sibilance or super harshness. I'd say the treble is probably 5% edgier than the DT880/32 I owned. I love a really sparkly treble without sibilance, and it sounds that's it's right where I want it to be. The only other headphones I have owned that has the right amount of treble for me has been the K701 and DT880/32. The AD700 was a bit TOO pronounced in the high end, bordering on harsh. Not quite there but maybe just a little more than I'd like.

Everything else I have owned that I love needed just a very slight treble boost to get it where I wanted it. These 3 are definitely in a league of their own when it comes to refinement.

I'm saying too much too soon, but that's what I immediately gathered from these.

In order to burn them in with pink noise loud enough, I had to go:

Netbook ---USB --- E7 --- 3.5mm --- E5 --- DT990/600 (the E7 and E5 are at max volume)

The E5 AND a 2.0 pre-amp boost to Winamp was absolutely necessary to get the volume where I'd like for pink noise burn in.

So if you're thinking of getting 600ohm Beyers, I'd suggest to definitely pick up a stronger desktop amp. I'm gonna have to wait for the E9 or M Stage for real impressions on these with music.

I haven't tested them out for gaming yet, obviously. I will definitely do that in the next day and let you know how the Mixamp (with no voice chat) can power the DT990/600.

I have a feeling these are gonna be my favorite headphone so far based off the slightly bright signature, overall clarity, and clearly superior bass. The DT990/600 honestly sounds like the perfect headphone for people who want an audiophile sound but can't give up all the bass in the name of neutrality or flat curve.

They make me wanna give up on closed headphones altogether. I can see why open headphones are so highly regarded... there is not one hint of congestion or that stuffy sound typical to a lot of closed headphones. If you like a warm signature, stay away from the 990 and stick to stuff by Sennheiser. I don't want any sort of veil over my sound, so the 880 and 990 are so much better for me.
post #10400 of 10626
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Originally Posted by TheNewb View Post

Basically: Which has Better Dolby Decoding for Positioning and SQ?

i'd say they're the same (the decoders), just depends on which headphone you're using.
post #10401 of 10626
Also, judging the sound of the DT990, I'd say they're gonna be like the 880s, in which they won't be particularly great for rear positional cues. I haven't tried them with the Mixamp but they certainly do give off a vibe of being a professionally EQ-ed 880 emphasized for bass and treble (to a lesser extent).

I could be wrong and they might kickass for rear audio cues, but I'm not holding my breath.
post #10402 of 10626
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Originally Posted by kmlm13 View Post

The AX720 are easy to mod too.

I just bought the AX720. What kind of mod are you referring to? ( I've been reading the thread but man it gets alot of responses and flies by quickly).
post #10403 of 10626
For $30-60 the bravo v2 will power the 600 ohm beyers well. It's a good value.
post #10404 of 10626
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Originally Posted by PJ_Rage View Post

For $30-60 the bravo v2 will power the 600 ohm beyers well. It's a good value.

i was gonna say the same thing.... easy/cheap way to get volume and a more full sound without mucking up anything really.
post #10405 of 10626
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Originally Posted by formulanerd View Post

i'd say they're the same (the decoders), just depends on which headphone you're using.

AD700
and
Ultrasone HFI2200
post #10406 of 10626
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Originally Posted by TheNewb View Post

AD700
and
Ultrasone HFI2200

ok, either decoder will do you fine.


comfort: tie
highs: ad700
mids: HFI2200
lows: HFI2200
competitive gaming: AD700
single player/coop : HFI2200
looks: both sexy and ugly in their own right, personal preference = tie
music: HFI2200
movies: HFI2200
price: you could easily buy 4 sets of ad700's with the money for one set of the ultrasone.


verdict? depends.... are you interested in mopping the floor in call of duty on a budget? go with the AD700.... if you've got money to blow and want a can that can do movies, ipod, single player gaming, etc... go for the ultrasone.

edit: i say fined the ultrasones used, so that you have money left over to get a set of AD700 as well
post #10407 of 10626
shin... day after day i'm still amazed by the MS-1... i can't believe you haven't tried one yet, especially considering the used cost.
post #10408 of 10626
I know. I think considering the type of sound signature Grados have, I believe they may have been my fave type of headphones from the get go. I really can't get anymore headphones right now, considering I'm expecting to blow some more cash on the E9 or M Stage (sorry, the Bravo sounds good, but I want either one of these two... it's my impulsive nature), and I'm getting one of those amps with my Amazon store card. I can't use any of my own cash atm.
post #10409 of 10626
Okay, so I got home and immediately fired up the PS3 and 360 and tested out a few games.

1. The DT990/600 is DEFINITELY harder on the Mixamp than the K701/2. I have to max the master volume on the Mixamp to get it just a tad too low for my liking on the PS3. I don't have this problem with the K701 (I actually have it at like 75% master volume) I'll have to believe that is because I'm using the digital coax input as opposed to optical digital on my Mixamp, and that input seems to be lower in overall volume.

2. The DT990/600 is just a teeny bit too low for my liking on the 360 as well. However, the E7 puts me right at where I want it. The E7 doesn't add much volume, but it was enough. Still, I will definitely want to replace it with the E9 or whatever desktop amp I end up getting.

HOWEVER, I JUST realized that the CoD games have an in game volume setting that is about 80% maxed (all these years, and I didn't so much as notice). That 20% was WAY more than I needed for the DT990/600 with the Mixamp alone. So much that when I maxed the in game volume, I had to lower the Mixamp's master to about 70%. Needless to say, I won't have any problem CoD with my DT990s.

So if you're a CoD gamer, the 600ohm Beyers will do fine with the mixamp if you're not voice chatting. I have yet to test it with the voice chat mixed in. Of course, volume varies by games, so I may need more or less depending on the game.



Thoughts on the DT990's sound with the Mixamp, overall positioning and soundstage:

The DT990's as of right now kick major ass with the Mixamp. The soundstage is big (not AD700 or K701 big, but bigger than the DT880 for sure). The bass made gaming incredibly fun, and even online, I didn't feel like I missed anything. The 990s are bright, crisp, and have that bass that the 880s were missing. These are a lot more clearer than every closed headphone I have used, including the CAL, M50s, ES7, and whatnot. So yes, I'd say that these are worth it.

Rage, Nerd, and those who own the 880s, I believe you would trade the 880s for the 990s without a second thought when it comes to single player gaming. The bass is not at all overpowering, a lot more present than the 880s, while still maintaining a high level of clarity.

The few online matches I played, I could pick up all the same sounds I pick up with the 880s and K701, and the positioning is INDEED better than the 880s, but the K701 is still noticeably superior in soundstage width, depth, clarity, and overall positioning. The K701 has better mids, though the 990s don't have a gaping hole. The mids while recessed are still highly detailed and won't go unnoticed.

I can see why they are so popular on Head-Fi even when they're not the typical neutral/balanced headphone that they all tend to go for. They are a BLAST to use.

One con SQ-wise: The highs are still a bit harsh, though they remind me a lot of the AD700's highs in that they are pretty bright. So if you want smooth highs, they won't be found here. They definitely sound like they need some burn in to tame, and I have heard that burn in helps it quite a bit. Even so, I prefer a slightly harsher high than a smoother high.

I'll repeat this: the positioning with Dolby Headphone is noticeably better than the 880s. However, I just started using them, so I'll need quite a bit more time with them to see if it's just the 'placebo effect' or if they really do well with normal gaming. I remember not having much of an issue with the DT880's positioning when I first got them, but after awhile I notice the problem with rear audio cues.

I still can't believe just how much bass an open headphone is capable of. It's surreal.

The Creative Aurvana Live is going to be my LAST closed headphone, unless the DT770/600 can prove me otherwise that a closed headphone can sound every bit as crisp and bright as what the 990 has to offer. Just remember, I don't like a warm signature, as it just sounds like a mini-veil to me. The CAL's warmth is pretty much the most warmth I'll ever want out of a headphone.

Also, bear in mind that the Mixamp is not fully driving these headphones, and the sharp treble may as well be more pronounced due to the lack of proper amping.

All that being said, I am highly optimistic that these will deliver the goods even moreso than now once they are burned in and are paired with a decent amp.

Would I recommend them at this stage? Hard to say for now. However, I do believe they are more to my liking than the 880s, and I would find them to be awesome with music and gaming, as opposed to me only liking the 880s for gaming and missed the bass for music. This is definitely a bass and treble oriented phone, so if you want balance, stick to the 880s. That being said, this is the most audiophile friendly basshead can I have heard.
post #10410 of 10626
I've been playing with the DT880s concentrating on sounds directly behind me to see if I could hear what you guys are. I tried Alan Wake, Dead Space, and Assassin's Creed 2, all games with very good directional sound. In all 3 I didn't notice any sort of hole in the sound field behind me. The closest I could come was in Dead Space, where it was more difficult to position the camera to get a sound directly behind me. Part of the problem is because there is always sound all around you in that game and it frequently moves around. But I didn't have any such problem in Alan Wake or AC2. I didn't hook up the AD700 for comparison, but I'm just not getting the problem you guys are, so I'm not too worried about it.

Sad to say, as awesome as these headphones are, it'd be tough to recommend them as an all-around gaming headphone. The price combined with issues several people here have had makes it a tough call. I'm glad I got them, but I could see how others might end up disappointed.
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