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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

I just sold my 360 though.. I'm going PS3 for BR.

Any specific reason why you sold the 360 to go for the PS3? I am an equal opportunity gamer but I will admit that the 360 gets the majority of my gaming purchases. The PS3 is a nice unit and there are some great games on it, but I use it mainly for Blu-Ray. I can understand if you're not much of a gamer but more interested in the media side.
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BTW- does anyone else think they should just put a headphone jack (and ideally Dolby Headphone 2 processing) on the PS3 or the 360? That would save so many steps and seems any easy thing to design into a console.
post #1473 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Dale_S View Post

That's the unit I bought... it supports DH1, DH2 and DH3 modes. Initially I wasn't that impressed but then I realized that the main problem was my headphones were hard to drive. My DT770 Pro cans are the 250 ohm version, not the more common and easier to drive 80 ohm version. Once my Mini^3 headphone amp arrives (hopefully early this week), I suspect I'll be happier with the JVC unit.

I did experiment with a friend's headphone amp (a Little Dot Micro+ hybrid) and was pleasantly surprised. I agree with the others that DH2 seems to be my preference for gaming and most movies.

I may still spring for an Astro Mixamp as it offers the better combination of headphone/microphone/external music mixing. For now I'll stick with the JVC and see how well it does with a decent headphone amp in the loop.

Dale..You can bypass the amp in the JVC with your Mini amp.. All portables have output, a line out.. Just use a mini to mini cable to plug into your mini & the headphone jack in the JVC. & control the volume with the Mini.. Some posted that they used a Hornet their Mixamp & still got the desired DH effects..
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Originally Posted by Dale_S View Post

Any specific reason why you sold the 360 to go for the PS3? I am an equal opportunity gamer but I will admit that the 360 gets the majority of my gaming purchases. The PS3 is a nice unit and there are some great games on it, but I use it mainly for Blu-Ray. I can understand if you're not much of a gamer but more interested in the media side.

I'm not as much as a gamer as I used to be.. I no longer have patience for demanding games anymore.. I'm more into HD audio & HDM..

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Originally Posted by mikemav View Post

BTW- does anyone else think they should just put a headphone jack (and ideally Dolby Headphone 2 processing) on the PS3 or the 360? That would save so many steps and seems any easy thing to design into a console.

I think the PSP supports it.. Or Dolby was lobbying for it very hard.. MS & Sony won't put in DH, cause of money. Astro games stated in this thread that to get the DH technology they had to pay 50,000. Thens theres the lic fee for DD 5.1.. Thats why The A40 doesn't support DTS.. It would just add cost to the product.. MS/Sony already lose money as it is with their gaming consoles.. It cost MS around 550 to make the 360 & the PS3 cost sony around 900.. So cutting cost is a big issue..
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Thanks Dale and KBI!

I sent back my DT770 - 80ohm because one of the cans didn't sound right (not sure what it was -- probably phase or frequency range issue on the right side) and I'm waiting for the replacement to come.

KBI steered me in the right direction with these Beyer-Dynamics because I could tell even though they aren't for "audio purists" as he put it, the working side sounded like it was exactly what I like.

So if KBI and the rest of you say that the JVC DH thingy creates an impressive surround field, it's sold for me.

Thanks Dave.. I'm sure you will enjoy it.. I been going through my DVD collection to experience them over again.. I bought the HK 146 receiver over the JVC cause it has more power to drive my demanding headphones, can be used as a hub, & incase I upgrade to a speaker system.. Not bad for 200.00..30lbs. Built like a tank & stays cool.
My only problem is trying to by pass the receivers headphone amp & DAC.. My stereo dac cost me a lot of money & would like to enhance my experience of DH.. Even though it will only support PCM, I can still use DH, but will be Pro Logic II. I bought a Coax to optical converter since my receiver doesn't have a optical out.. This should do the trick.. & I will try a mini to rca cable..plug the mini with 1/4 adapter into the headphone jack & the RCA into my DAC1.. I might need an output though.. Just trial & error. & my DAC1 supports balanced drive which is even better..
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Dale..You can bypass the amp in the JVC with your Mini amp.. All portables have output, a line out.. Just use a mini to mini cable to plug into your mini & the headphone jack in the JVC. & control the volume with the Mini.. Some posted that they used a Hornet their Mixamp & still got the desired DH effects..

Exactly my plan... even broke down and bought some nice Neutrik right-angle 1/8" connectors and some Canare mini-quad to make my own high quality interconnect. Not quite at the level as the guys who make their own braids with 99.99% silver wire and teflon sheaths, but still better than an off-the-shelf 1/8" to 1/8" interconnect.

I also plan to use some of the standard Canare star-quad and mod my DT770s with dual entry and terminate in a 1/4" Neutrik connector. I'll also make a 1/4" locking jack to 1/8" mini adapter cable. Dang, this hobby is costly!!
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Originally Posted by Dale_S View Post

Exactly my plan... even broke down and bought some nice Neutrik right-angle 1/8" connectors and some Canare mini-quad to make my own high quality interconnect. Not quite at the level as the guys who make their own braids with 99.99% silver wire and teflon sheaths, but still better than an off-the-shelf 1/8" to 1/8" interconnect.

I also plan to use some of the standard Canare star-quad and mod my DT770s with dual entry and terminate in a 1/4" Neutrik connector. I'll also make a 1/4" locking jack to 1/8" mini adapter cable. Dang, this hobby is costly!!

Yeah I spent around 4,000 grand since 06 Now I want to get a headphone amp to use as a pre amp for the reciever to increase the quality of DH, if I can't bypass the internal amp all together with my DAC1, which also includes a dedicated headphone amp.. & might get a upsampler too..My plan as of now is, PS3/headphone with pre amp capabilities.. & maybe a upsampler & stax system.. The Koss 950 sells for around 600.. & a few people think it blows the 650's out of the water which intrigues me since they are my fav headphone that I own..
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Originally Posted by Dale_S View Post

Exactly my plan... even broke down and bought some nice Neutrik right-angle 1/8" connectors and some Canare mini-quad to make my own high quality interconnect. Not quite at the level as the guys who make their own braids with 99.99% silver wire and teflon sheaths, but still better than an off-the-shelf 1/8" to 1/8" interconnect.

I also plan to use some of the standard Canare star-quad and mod my DT770s with dual entry and terminate in a 1/4" Neutrik connector. I'll also make a 1/4" locking jack to 1/8" mini adapter cable. Dang, this hobby is costly!!

Should improve the SQ..Better amplification, better sound.. I doubt the internal amp in the JVC is any good.. Companies like to cut corners.

Dual entry is the best way to go.. Better SQ, especially if you terminate into the driver itself..
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Check out this discussion on Dolby headphone, here on the avsfourums:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=DIR1000C

He uses his Stax Omega-II headphones and Stax SRM-T1S tube Amp with his Dolby Headphone Receiver, and likes it very much.
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Originally Posted by Foe-hammer View Post

Check out this discussion on Dolby headphone, here on the avsfourums:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=DIR1000C

He uses his Stax Omega-II headphones and Stax SRM-T1S tube Amp with his Dolby Headphone Receiver, and likes it very much.

The SVS system is nuts, but 3 grand.. Blows away DH though..Mind numbling unreal..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...41&postcount=1

Or... even more potentially fabulous... imagine taking an SVS setup to a high-end audio dealer or elite setup, with $200K worth of audio equipment and the world's best sounding speakers. Now you sit down and calibrate a profile for THAT remarkable sound environment, and take it home with you... a digitally reproducible analog image of exactly how that listening experience, on that equipment and in that room, sounded to you!!! After that, you can play music through headphones in your bedroom and have the sonic quality as if you were listening on that $200K never-achievable dream system with the dream loudspeakers! Of course you'll have to talk that dealer into letting you "steal the sound of his $200K system", but if you can then you're home free. $200K "home theater in a box"... for $3K.
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Hey there, I have read pretty much all of the thread and want to thank everyone who contributed, I learned quite a few things, but as always, its never enough.

I am on the look for some closed headphones mostly due the the game MGS4 on the PS3 but also planning to use them with movies and different kinds of music. Since this game supports 5.1 surround sound I have been thinking about pairing the headphones with a JVC SU-DH1. At one point I considered the Astro Mixamp but it does not support DTS for movies, right?

Anyhow, I have read that open headphones provide more sound stage then closed headphones and so choosing closed headphones would impair the surround experience to some degree, am I right?

Thing is, I would really love to have some closed phones since the isolation is pretty important for me. I might sacrifice the isolation for sound stage if it really makes that much of a difference, but its not my preferred choice.

Whats the best closed headphones that I can find that have decent or great sound stage?

My recent research has led me to the Denon AH-D2000 and then to its big brother, the D5000 and its supposedly superior cable. Then THAT lead me to find out about the markl mod for it.

These are the things improved with the markl mod:

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"Advantages Of This Mod Over Stock:

--Remarkable tightening of bass response, to the point it actually sounds coherent and no longer intrudes into the rest of the sound.

--Slight attenuation of bass volume, allowing the previously recessed mids and highs to bloom a little more, improving resolution, and restoring balance to the frequency response. But don't panic! You lose none of the Denon's remarkable bass depth, it will still plumb the nether regions like no other phone. You are only removing the extra false resonances of the assembly and ear cups. This is not real bass information.

--Removal of most of the vibration in the assembly, which yields a much less ā€œfartyā€ bass sound and less blurry image. Your mind's eye is now free to wander the soundstage/headstage as your brain is not being reminded of the twin little drivers vibrating away on your skull. No more bass headaches!

--Midrange allowed to bloom and come forward with the lower midrange no longer muddied by overwhelming bass.

--Thanks to the mods to the pads, you get a bigger soundstage left-to-right and up and down, plus signicantly greater soundstage depth.

--Partial closure of the gap in the center of the image.

--Blacker background.

--Slightly improved isolation."

This is all madness. So much info, so many opinions, so much confusion and the one that matters the most...SO MUCH MONEY!

I initially thought about using max 400-500 bucks in total, headphone, headphone amp and the JVC and now this comes up.

Can anybody tell me if all the hassle and money spent on the Denon AH-D5000+markl mod is worth it? Does it pair well with the JVC SU-DH1? If so, what headphone amp should I pair it with, obviously one that doesn't put the last finishing moves on my wallet, just a decent one.

Thanks for any suggestions!
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Originally Posted by Dertalix View Post

Hey there, I have read pretty much all of the thread and want to thank everyone who contributed, I learned quite a few things, but as always, its never enough.

I am on the look for some closed headphones mostly due the the game MGS4 on the PS3 but also planning to use them with movies and different kinds of music. Since this game supports 5.1 surround sound I have been thinking about pairing the headphones with a JVC SU-DH1. At one point I considered the Astro Mixamp but it does not support DTS for movies, right?

Anyhow, I have read that open headphones provide more sound stage then closed headphones and so choosing closed headphones would impair the surround experience to some degree, am I right?

Thing is, I would really love to have some closed phones since the isolation is pretty important for me. I might sacrifice the isolation for sound stage if it really makes that much of a difference, but its not my preferred choice.

Whats the best closed headphones that I can find that have decent or great sound stage?

My recent research has led me to the Denon AH-D2000 and then to its big brother, the D5000 and its supposedly superior cable. Then THAT lead me to find out about the markl mod for it.

These are the things improved with the markl mod:



This is all madness. So much info, so many opinions, so much confusion and the one that matters the most...SO MUCH MONEY!

I initially thought about using max 400-500 bucks in total, headphone, headphone amp and the JVC and now this comes up.

Can anybody tell me if all the hassle and money spent on the Denon AH-D5000+markl mod is worth it? Does it pair well with the JVC SU-DH1? If so, what headphone amp should I pair it with, obviously one that doesn't put the last finishing moves on my wallet, just a decent one.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Why not just get the Mark mod with the D2000.. The only difference is the cabling & the wooden housing.. The markl mod works on the D2000 too. The cost of the mod is like 169 which includes shipping..
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Yea, that would be the smart move...but I have read that the D5000 is slightly better, don't know how accurate that is. I guess I am leaning more towards the D2000 if you say it its the same. Anyhow, do you think spending that kind of money on the markl is worth it? Does it really make that much of a difference?

Also, could you recommend any headphone amp?
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Originally Posted by Dertalix View Post

Yea, that would be the smart move...but I have read that the D5000 is slightly better, don't know how accurate that is. I guess I am leaning more towards the D2000 if you say it its the same. Anyhow, do you think spending that kind of money on the markl is worth it? Does it really make that much of a difference?

Also, could you recommend any headphone amp?

Mark sold his R10's BC he felt he wasn't losing anything when he modded his D5000.. Most feel the mod is well worth it.. Amp? Price range?
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You guys are NASTY!!! I just get my Mini^3 today and am relishing in the moment when I see the Dertalix post about the Denon AH-D2000 or 5000 with the markl mod. But you know what? I'm going to put my credit card away!!!

In all seriousness, once you get to a certain level of satisfaction, that should be the point of diminishing returns. I know it doesn't work out that way for most of us - upgradeitis eventually wins out.

For me, the arrival of my new Mini^3 amp has brought my DT770 Pro/250 cans to life! The JVC SU-DH1 now sounds like I thought it would. Games on the 360 and Blu-Ray movies from the PS3 are downright fantabulous! Even VBR high sampling rate MP3s sound great from my Macbook Pro, using the built-in headphone output.

I can only imagine what lossless will sound like when I eventually get myself a Pico. And maybe some markl modded AH-D2000s....
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FREE DTX50 in ear headphones (beyerdynamic) when you buy DT880 or DT770's from amazon... cheapest price i've found elsewhere for the DTX50 is $79
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Does anyone know of any DACs or headphone amps (under $1000 please) available now or announced that support 7.1 LPCM (and ideally process Dolby Headphone too?) I was thinking of getting a Marantz SR4002 receiver since it can input multi-channel LPCM (say from a PS3) and has Dolby Headphone built in. The problem is I also need the analog outputs (as described before, for directional bass shakers), and with receivers, they mute the pre-outs when headphones are connected.

Or, how about a DH receiver that doesn't mute the pre-outs (or leaves it an option) with headphones connected?

Or, how about a DH processor (PC sound card, stand alone box, anything) that will take analog multi-channel inputs and do Dolby Headphone processing?

Heck, even if an LCD TV has Dolby Headphone processing on the built-in headphone jack (or home theater in a box), that would work if it can take multi-channel audio via HDMI.

I see Sony has a 7.1 wireless surround headphone in Japan but it doesn't use DH and their own algorithm isn't as good probably. DTS has the new Surround Sensation which also might be worth a try but again, I'm not sure of a device or PC card that will work with that and the HD audio output from my PS3.
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Originally Posted by mikemav View Post

Does anyone know of any DACs or headphone amps (under $1000 please) available now or announced that support 7.1 LPCM (and ideally process Dolby Headphone too?) I was thinking of getting a Marantz SR4002 receiver since it can input multi-channel LPCM (say from a PS3) and has Dolby Headphone built in. The problem is I also need the analog outputs (as described before, for directional bass shakers), and with receivers, they mute the pre-outs when headphones are connected.

Or, how about a DH receiver that doesn't mute the pre-outs (or leaves it an option) with headphones connected?

Or, how about a DH processor (PC sound card, stand alone box, anything) that will take analog multi-channel inputs and do Dolby Headphone processing?

Heck, even if an LCD TV has Dolby Headphone processing on the built-in headphone jack (or home theater in a box), that would work if it can take multi-channel audio via HDMI.

I see Sony has a 7.1 wireless surround headphone in Japan but it doesn't use DH and their own algorithm isn't as good probably. DTS has the new Surround Sensation which also might be worth a try but again, I'm not sure of a device or PC card that will work with that and the HD audio output from my PS3.

None..No DAC that I know of supports HDMI which would be needed. I will be using my DAC1 to bypass my recievers DAC.. It cost 3X's the price of the reciever, so I'm hoping for the best.. But it's only stereo 2.0 as all DACs are.. But I can still benefit from DH, but will be pro logic from my understanding..
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My replacement DT770- 80ohm cans showed up today and they work perfectly! Hearing the RockBand songs so close and clear really reveals a lot I was missing through the 7.1 system. I like that I can actually turn the stereo down because the headphones block out (isolate) the RockBand drum sound from the music.

I know these aren't for audio purists... but they are exactly the exciting, full sound I love. Thanks for the advice KBI and others!

Now I'm ordering the JVC SU-DH1 and an extension cable.
post #1491 of 10626
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

My replacement DT770- 80ohm cans showed up today and they work perfectly! Hearing the RockBand songs so close and clear really reveals a lot I was missing through the 7.1 system. I like that I can actually turn the stereo down because the headphones block out (isolate) the RockBand drum sound from the music.

I know these aren't for audio purists... but they are exactly the exciting, full sound I love. Thanks for the advice KBI and others!

Now I'm ordering the JVC SU-DH1 and an extension cable.

If you want micro detail headphones are the way to go.. I notice in some recording I can hear jewelry dangling from the artist neck.. The Prince song Kiss.. A singer breathing, licking their lips, etc..
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

.. A singer breathing, licking their lips, [passing gas]..

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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Mark sold his R10's BC he felt he wasn't losing anything when he modded his D5000.. Most feel the mod is well worth it.. Amp? Price range?

Hmm...is it possible to get a decent portable amp for around $50-100?
post #1494 of 10626
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Originally Posted by mikemav View Post

Does anyone know of any DACs or headphone amps (under $1000 please) available now or announced that support 7.1 LPCM (and ideally process Dolby Headphone too?) I was thinking of getting a Marantz SR4002 receiver since it can input multi-channel LPCM (say from a PS3) and has Dolby Headphone built in. The problem is I also need the analog outputs (as described before, for directional bass shakers), and with receivers, they mute the pre-outs when headphones are connected.

Or, how about a DH receiver that doesn't mute the pre-outs (or leaves it an option) with headphones connected?

Or, how about a DH processor (PC sound card, stand alone box, anything) that will take analog multi-channel inputs and do Dolby Headphone processing?

Heck, even if an LCD TV has Dolby Headphone processing on the built-in headphone jack (or home theater in a box), that would work if it can take multi-channel audio via HDMI.

I see Sony has a 7.1 wireless surround headphone in Japan but it doesn't use DH and their own algorithm isn't as good probably. DTS has the new Surround Sensation which also might be worth a try but again, I'm not sure of a device or PC card that will work with that and the HD audio output from my PS3.

You may want to look at the Yamaha V663. The silent Cinema feature thru Headphones is really good. I just picked up the Yamaha V663 and the Sennheiser 485 headphones, and like the combo .
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

You may want to look at the Yamaha V663. The silent Cinema feature thru Headphones is really good. I just picked up the Yamaha V663 and the Sennheiser 485 headphones, and like the combo .

Have you compared Yamaha's SS DSP & DH?
post #1496 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Dertalix View Post

Hmm...is it possible to get a decent portable amp for around $50-100?

Well, after 3 days with my Mini^3 I can highly recommend it. Of course it depends on the headphones you plan to drive, but it does very well with my 250 ohm DT770 Pro cans.

As for getting it for under $100, that may be possible if you watch eBay or the For Sale forums here on AVS, but also on the more headphone related forums like:

Headwize: http://headwize.com/ubb/forumdisplay.php?fnum=5

Head-Fi: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f42/

It should also be possible to build one if you are handy with a soldering iron and not electronically challenged. Check out the AMB Laboratories webpage for more details on parts for the Mini^3:

http://www.amb.org/audio/mini3/

There are other amps in the same price range as the Mini^3, but if you can't find anything or decide to spend another $25, you can buy the Mini^3 from Rockhopper Audio complete with charger and shipping included to US/Canada:

http://www.rockhopperaudio.com/

You may also want to take a look at the CMOY or 'Altoid Mint Tin' amps that are often sold on eBay. Good luck on the hunt!
post #1497 of 10626
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Have you compared Yamaha's SS DSP & DH?

Unfortunately no, I can say that the Silent Cinema feature is a huge improvement over my prior Onkyo. If you wander over to the 663 thread, you will see that you can pick up the Yamaha 663 from 6th ave fr $359 (they are authorize dealer) but I think it ends tomm. Best Buy is currently charging $499 for this same receiver. I personally could not be more happy.
post #1498 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Dale_S View Post

Well, after 3 days with my Mini^3 I can highly recommend it. Of course it depends on the headphones you plan to drive, but it does very well with my 250 ohm DT770 Pro cans.

As for getting it for under $100, that may be possible if you watch eBay or the For Sale forums here on AVS, but also on the more headphone related forums like:

Headwize: http://headwize.com/ubb/forumdisplay.php?fnum=5

Head-Fi: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f42/

It should also be possible to build one if you are handy with a soldering iron and not electronically challenged. Check out the AMB Laboratories webpage for more details on parts for the Mini^3:

http://www.amb.org/audio/mini3/

There are other amps in the same price range as the Mini^3, but if you can't find anything or decide to spend another $25, you can buy the Mini^3 from Rockhopper Audio complete with charger and shipping included to US/Canada:

http://www.rockhopperaudio.com/

You may also want to take a look at the CMOY or 'Altoid Mint Tin' amps that are often sold on eBay. Good luck on the hunt!

Thanks a lot for the info and links, you are the second person to recommend me the Mini³ Amp, Foe-Hammer also did in a thread at Head-Fi. Right now I am waiting for an answer from Rockhopper Audio.

Btw, on the suggestion of Foe-Hammer, I decided to scrap the whole Denon plan and I am now going for the Beyerdynamic DT880 2005 Edition. Actually, I already ordered it from Amazon and also got some Beyer DTX 50 SW In-Ear phones for free, due to a promotion.

I also ordered the JVC SU-DH1 with the AC adapter from Audiocubes already, so now its all up to the amp!
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Originally Posted by Dertalix View Post

Thanks a lot for the info and links, you are the second person to recommend me the Mini³ Amp, Foe-Hammer also did in a thread at Head-Fi. Right now I am waiting for an answer from Rockhopper Audio.

Btw, on the suggestion of Foe-Hammer, I decided to scrap the whole Denon plan and I am now going for the Beyerdynamic DT880 2005 Edition. Actually, I already ordered it from Amazon and also got some Beyer DTX 50 SW In-Ear phones for free, due to a promotion.

I also ordered the JVC SU-DH1 with the AC adapter from Audiocubes already, so now its all up to the amp!

The 880's are good for gaming & movies, but found them too sterile for music. Boring & un involving.. For music the Denons would have been a better choice. & a dedicated amp is best suited for headphones that are hard to drive.. It will still sound good with the mini though..
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i'm looking for a working toslink/optical splitter to have my xbox and newly ordered JVC DH adapter at the same time. i ordered the splitter from mono price, and i can see light coming out of both optical outs, but my receiver will not receive any sound through it. My JVC is still in the mail.

any recommendations on a splitter to use?
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