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post #271 of 10626
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Originally Posted by A.C View Post

How could you possibly expect to experience SS effects with only analog RCA inputs? The 360's "digital stereo" is either a ridiculous marketing misrepresentation... or a legit DD2.0 bitstream via optical. Either way you aren't getting "digital" anything over RCA.

Maybe some cans present such a beautiful sound stage that a listener can think they hear SS... which would be awesome but I can't imagine expecting as much. The only/best way I know to get SS out of 2 speakers is via post-processing. And if you direct connect RCA to the 555's... I don't see where that can take place. Sound reflectors or no.

But that's just $0.02 from a guy who uses stock iPod ear-buds... for now

I might be to blame for that. I said I could hear bullets from all directions including hearing people behind me, which is true.. But, no.. The 595's are NOT SS headphones.. &, yeah, the sound reflector seems more like marketing then anything else

You are correct about the Sound stage. When you have a wide & deep sound stage, you can hear beyond just let & right.. It's like looking with one eye shut then opening both eyes, but in audio sense.. The sounds, foot steps, etc, are noticed quicker, so you can hear then from the back. My 340's have a huge sound stage. You can get lost in those.. Also the AKG 501's & 701's are also known for having a very large sound stage, but both cans are bass shy, so it might take away from your gaming fun if you like hard, loud, slamming bass.. Although, the quality is very good.. Tight, detailed, & well textured.. It's the main reason I sold my 701's..
post #272 of 10626
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

I'm inching my way back into getting some headphones since my credit card wounds are healing after buying two iPhones. I bought the Senn RS130 at Circuit City to see how RF would behave in my house and I have to say those headphones are crap. They feel fine, but you are limited to analog inputs via RCA (with optional headphone jack converter). So much background noise! I think I did notice RF interference as well. I just wanted to check some out and they were the most expensive ones at the store, which they will be going back to shortly.

Now I have to decide on my plan. I have an HK 635 with Dolby Headphone and was interested in the Senn 555/595 or Audio-Tech AD900. However, I'm second guessing running the wire to my seating position. The Pioneer IR wireless are now moving up to the top of my list. I like the fact that they use AA rechargeable which I have plenty of laying around the house and IR instead of RF since I'll be in direct line-of-sight (the opposite of my remote control issue). I can just connect a digital out and keep the headphones near my chair.

Are the Senn/Audio-Techs worth the wiring trouble compared to the Pioneer sound quality wise?

IMO No, unless most of your time will be spent listening to music. IMO the listed cans are better then the pioneers, SQ wise, but if you want a great sounding, wireless headphone with 5.1 SS, I'd recommend the Pioneers. At Headfi.com most ppl recommend the Beyer DT770 or the AT900 for gaming. But this recommendation is based on stereo headphones, as audio purist tend to look down on 5.1 headphones, especially the ones with 8 drivers. Just to let you know the 900's are around 217.00.. & unlike the Sens you can't get them less then retail unless you buy used.. The 900s are also closed so it provides isolation comparable to the Bose Noise canceling headphone, but not as effective..
post #273 of 10626
I picked up the Turtle Beach X3's tonight and got on halo 3 and dominated every damn game i played. One game i had 29/3 in team slayer. I don't know if it was the headphones or the people i was playing against lol. But i do know having a good pair of headphones makes you focus a whole lot more. They sound good but they are not comfortable at all and they make your ears so hot. I wasn't planning on keeping them, i just couldn't pick up the hd 555's because jnr was closed on saturday do to the jewish holidays. I'll return them before the official release of halo.

Heres proof the headphones do work lol. I've never done this good in my life in halo. EVAAAAAAAAAA. All night i was at the top. You can check the records lol. Look at everything from early morning 22nd and before and then look at late tonight and early am today. You'll see a vast improvement in stats. Yeah could of been the competition but hey lol.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStat...=MO%20GUNZ
post #274 of 10626
Thread Starter 
Just to make sure my earlier post gets interpreted correctly, I am not implying I was EXPECTING SS with just the 595, however, as it was mentioned earlier in the thread where some did experience that effect, I wanted to report I did not. Obviously, you need to set the XBX on Digital 5.1 and send audio through optical out to obtain true SS. I will get this either through my current HK AVR 635 receiver or through the JVC adapter.

If anyone finds a good deal on the JVC (<$70), please post or PM.

Great job HaD3K. The mod looks very clean.
post #275 of 10626
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Yeah.. The 555's have a surround reflector not the 595's..But I wouldn't call the 55 SS headphones.. But I had no problems hearing where footsteps were coming from. Behind me, to the R/L or in the front. & bullets seem to fly by from every direction. Of course this will improve considerably when using the 5.1 DD headphone. It would be cheaper to use the AVR 635 with the DD 5.1 headphone. Tell us how they sound when using the DD 5.1 headphones.. Sorry if you are a bit displeased with the 595's. Hope I didn't take you of course with my recommendations. I personally loved the 595's for gaming. If worst comes to worst you could always sell them & buy a 5.1 headset instead.

Don't worry, I am very pleased with the 595's. I am pretty sure I will end up using them for a lot more than just gaming for which the 595's seems the best match. I just need to decide on using my AVR 635 or get a JVC for H3 SS... I don't want to run into too many HoodedSoldiers on XBL while I am with this sound handicap...
post #276 of 10626
HaD3k - great work. I will definitely try that when I get my JVC... however I have a question for you:

Does the JVC have a DC input jack (carryover from Japan)? I thought I heard it might. But given your effort & other's complaining - I'd say that was incorrect. If there is a input, all one would need to do is use that same power brick & the proper fitting.
post #277 of 10626
I just wanted to remind you that I got mine from Audiocubes and it is the Japanese version. Everything I have read so far seems to point to the US version NOT having a DC input. I will let someone else who has the US version confirm that though.

Testing mine today and will post impressions later.
post #278 of 10626
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

I just wanted to remind you that I got mine from Audiocubes and it is the Japanese version. Everything I have read so far seems to point to the US version NOT having a DC input. I will let someone else who has the US version confirm that though.

Testing mine today and will post impressions later.

So, if I order one from Audiocubes I can expect to get the Japanese one? If so, I think I'll order from there. thanks
post #279 of 10626
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Originally Posted by tacos View Post

So, if I order one from Audiocubes I can expect to get the Japanese one? If so, I think I'll order from there. thanks

I believe so. I doubt that they sell both and i just happened to get the Japanese version. Probably exclusively sell the Japanese version, but you could always call them and confirm that. I just went to Radioshack to get the DC power converter thingy and it was around $15. I may have been ripped off, but I just wanted to get it and be done with it.
post #280 of 10626
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

I believe so. I doubt that they sell both and i just happened to get the Japanese version. Probably exclusively sell the Japanese version, but you could always call them and confirm that. I just went to Radioshack to get the DC power converter thingy and it was around $15. I may have been ripped off, but I just wanted to get it and be done with it.

Thanks. Let me know what you think about it.
post #281 of 10626
Impressions of JVC SU-DH1

First of all these are just my opinions so keep that in mind. I an not an audiophile with a golden ear, but I have a better ear than most. I enjoy quality audio and I am usually able to pick things up that others cannot. I currently have Klipsch Reference Series speakers in my HT (RF3-II's which are dual 8" for the fronts if that helps).

Tried it out using Audio Technica ATH A500's and Grado SR125's. I played FEAR demo, COD3 single player and multiplayer, Blacksite Area 51 demo, Bioshock demo, Heavenly Sword demo, and Resistance: The Fall of Man single player. The movies I tested were Alien vs Predator and The Fifth Element using the same scenes repeatedly and switching the DH effects on and off.

The effect of the JVC is not like sitting in the middle of a 5.1 system at all. You simply cannot get that effect out of a pair of headphones. What I experienced was that it sounded more like you were hearing the sound in a room instead of through the headphones. It sounded quite a bit more like an echo, especially for voices. I did not care for the effect for voices though because it seemed to decrease the clarity and overall quality of the voices. They were no longer as clear and did not pack as much punch so to speak.

It also makes the volume a lot louder when you switch the DH effect on. The sound does seem to surround you more when the effect is on. I think that is the main benefit of the effect. It is great for action scenes with lots of gunfire. Again, it is not like a 5.1 system, but it is an agreeable surround effect that adds somewhat to the experience.

One thing I noticed in games was that when the effect is not on and a sound is coming from one side, then all of that sound will end up coming through the speaker on that side. When you turn the DH on it seems to even the sound out some and it no longer comes just from one side. In some instances, it is actually more difficult to tell where a sound is really coming from with the DH effect on because it is blending the sound a bit so it sounds like you are hearing it inside a room more than from just the left or right speakers of your headphones. So I am not sure if it is really helpful for multiplayer games, but I am not an avid online player nor am I very good at them so your opinion may differ greatly.

As far as the headphones are concerned the AT's are closed and the Grado's are open. The AT's are very comfortable and the Grado's are not as comfortable but I bought some soft pads for them and this helped quite a bit. I thought the Grado's were slightly more detailed and the AT's had more thump perhaps only becuase they are a closed design. Otherwise, they were both very enjoyable to listen to and it is hard to pick an overall winner.

I also own the SpeedLink Medusa 5.1's for my PC so I played through the FEAR demo on my PC so I could compare it to the experience on the 360. The Medusa's are not as detailed. Muddy by comparison. The surround experience though is very good. It did a good job of locating sounds. It did not echo and the sound was not in stereo but not blended to such a degree that you did not know where particular sounds were coming from. The Medusa's are very comfortable as well. The volume output is really low however.

So it is a mixed review for me. It is fun to play around with but I do not think it is essential. It may help gamers who are better than me. I would buy it again if it was cheaper. I think I will end up keeping it but I have not decided yet.

I would heartily recommend the AT's or the Grado's though.
post #282 of 10626
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Originally Posted by brentsg View Post

KBI can you help me understand the difference between the Pioneer SE-DIR800C, SE-DIR800C-2, and SE-DIR2000C?

I understand that a couple of these are in the Japan market, which is fine to me. I've imported game consoles for years. If the latter 2 are superior I don't really mind forking over the $$, I just can't find much to guide me.

I will use these for my gaming hiding spot, with a PS3/360.

The SE-DIR800C is the American release.

The SE-DIR800C-II is the Japanese version, which supports an additional pair of headphones (not sure why the US 800C doesn't since it's just looking for the IR output of the base).

The SE-DIR2000C has an additional optical input (2 optical / 1 co-ax total), larger drivers in the headphones, and a remote for selecting the input (this is a manual switch on both the 800's).

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Originally Posted by A.C View Post

1. use a clip on mic for transmitting my voice to others
2. use the option to broadcast other's voice over the main speakers

#2 is how all the Xbox Live compatible headphones do it AFAIK. As for #1, I've yet to find a good mic option for wireless headphones since they're for clipping onto the wires of standard headphones. The clip-ons need to be very close to your mouth to work, so velcro-ing them onto the side of the headphones probably wouldn't work either. I'm leaning towards the Xbox 360 Wireless Headset attached to the outer ear cup. That'll probably put the mic a bit further from my mouth than I'd like for optimal quality, but hopefully it'll be useable.
post #283 of 10626
the wireless mic has to be really close to pick up normal voice, otherwise you'll have to talk really loud, i cant use it normally at night, with or without headphones, because i have to speak too loud to get the mic to start picking up my voice.
post #284 of 10626
i'm considering hacking my old xbox communicator & plugging it directly into the controller. i can use the "boom" & mic but disregard/ignore the earpiece. since you don't need volume control, the only feature you lose is mute.
post #285 of 10626
The American JVC version has no adapter slot.

jedimastergrant - Thanks for your impressions!
post #286 of 10626
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Originally Posted by HaD3k View Post

The American JVC version has no adapter slot.

Well then I guess its off to RadioShack to buy me an adaptor & alligator clips. /shrug. Thanks for the tutorial links/pictures. I always enjoy a DIY project.
post #287 of 10626
Quick question:

Does it matter which wire (from the brick) is "positive" and which wire is "negative?" In the past, when I have hacked AC adaptors, it wasn't important. However I've never tried to simulate batteries... where position is always explicit.
post #288 of 10626
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Impressions of JVC SU-DH1

First of all these are just my opinions so keep that in mind. I an not an audiophile with a golden ear, but I have a better ear than most. I enjoy quality audio and I am usually able to pick things up that others cannot. I currently have Klipsch Reference Series speakers in my HT (RF3-II's which are dual 8" for the fronts if that helps).

Tried it out using Audio Technica ATH A500's and Grado SR125's. I played FEAR demo, COD3 single player and multiplayer, Blacksite Area 51 demo, Bioshock demo, Heavenly Sword demo, and Resistance: The Fall of Man single player. The movies I tested were Alien vs Predator and The Fifth Element using the same scenes repeatedly and switching the DH effects on and off.

The effect of the JVC is not like sitting in the middle of a 5.1 system at all. You simply cannot get that effect out of a pair of headphones. What I experienced was that it sounded more like you were hearing the sound in a room instead of through the headphones. It sounded quite a bit more like an echo, especially for voices. I did not care for the effect for voices though because it seemed to decrease the clarity and overall quality of the voices. They were no longer as clear and did not pack as much punch so to speak.

It also makes the volume a lot louder when you switch the DH effect on. The sound does seem to surround you more when the effect is on. I think that is the main benefit of the effect. It is great for action scenes with lots of gunfire. Again, it is not like a 5.1 system, but it is an agreeable surround effect that adds somewhat to the experience.

One thing I noticed in games was that when the effect is not on and a sound is coming from one side, then all of that sound will end up coming through the speaker on that side. When you turn the DH on it seems to even the sound out some and it no longer comes just from one side. In some instances, it is actually more difficult to tell where a sound is really coming from with the DH effect on because it is blending the sound a bit so it sounds like you are hearing it inside a room more than from just the left or right speakers of your headphones. So I am not sure if it is really helpful for multiplayer games, but I am not an avid online player nor am I very good at them so your opinion may differ greatly.

As far as the headphones are concerned the AT's are closed and the Grado's are open. The AT's are very comfortable and the Grado's are not as comfortable but I bought some soft pads for them and this helped quite a bit. I thought the Grado's were slightly more detailed and the AT's had more thump perhaps only becuase they are a closed design. Otherwise, they were both very enjoyable to listen to and it is hard to pick an overall winner.

I also own the SpeedLink Medusa 5.1's for my PC so I played through the FEAR demo on my PC so I could compare it to the experience on the 360. The Medusa's are not as detailed. Muddy by comparison. The surround experience though is very good. It did a good job of locating sounds. It did not echo and the sound was not in stereo but not blended to such a degree that you did not know where particular sounds were coming from. The Medusa's are very comfortable as well. The volume output is really low however.

So it is a mixed review for me. It is fun to play around with but I do not think it is essential. It may help gamers who are better than me. I would buy it again if it was cheaper. I think I will end up keeping it but I have not decided yet.

I would heartily recommend the AT's or the Grado's though.

Did you try all these? (DH 1/DH 2/DH 3) I know HAD3k recommends number 1 for gaming. Your the only person I know, plus poster comments, & reviews that I read, that had mixed feelings about the JVC. Everyone else seems to love them.. Maybe the Pioneers have better SS, but I believe both are using the same DD 5.1 technology? Still confused about the echo? I never heard of any owner having this problem before..
post #289 of 10626
Yes, I tried all of the settings (including no DH effects). I repeatedly cycled through them many many times through the same parts of many many scenes and parts of different games.

The higher the DH number, the larger the room it is trying to simulate, so you actually get a larger echo effect at DH 2 and 3. That is why I preferred DH1. I am going to do some more testing.

I read through the manual again to make sure I was doing everything correctly. I believe that I am unless you can think of something I am missing. Like I said, I am sure that everyone will have a little bit of a different opinion, but I can only write down what my ears are telling me.

I am very pleased with the AT's that you confirmed would be a good buy though so thanks for that one. I also bought the soft pads for my Grado's and it helps tremendously so thanks again.

Edit: Let me clarify what I meant when I said echo. It is not an obvious echo, but it is like an echo. The best way I can describe it is that it is similar to the effect that you get when you use the "concert hall" setting on your av receiver. I think they are just trying to simulate the effect of listening to the sound in a room instead of through headphones and it comes off sounding kind of like an echo.
post #290 of 10626
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Originally Posted by HoodedSoldier View Post

I picked up the Turtle Beach X3's tonight and got on halo 3 and dominated every damn game i played. One game i had 29/3 in team slayer. I don't know if it was the headphones or the people i was playing against lol. But i do know having a good pair of headphones makes you focus a whole lot more. They sound good but they are not comfortable at all and they make your ears so hot. I wasn't planning on keeping them, i just couldn't pick up the hd 555's because jnr was closed on saturday do to the jewish holidays. I'll return them before the official release of halo.

Heres proof the headphones do work lol. I've never done this good in my life in halo. EVAAAAAAAAAA. All night i was at the top. You can check the records lol. Look at everything from early morning 22nd and before and then look at late tonight and early am today. You'll see a vast improvement in stats. Yeah could of been the competition but hey lol.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStat...ayer=MO%20GUNZ

Yes. I find headphones to be much more revealing & detailed then speakers within a reasonable budget. One reason is the fact that the drivers are very close to your ears.
post #291 of 10626
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Yes, I tried all of the settings (including no DH effects). I repeatedly cycled through them many many times through the same parts of many many scenes and parts of different games.

The higher the DH number, the larger the room it is trying to simulate, so you actually get a larger echo effect at DH 2 and 3. That is why I preferred DH1. I am going to do some more testing.

I read through the manual again to make sure I was doing everything correctly. I believe that I am unless you can think of something I am missing. Like I said, I am sure that everyone will have a little bit of a different opinion, but I can only write down what my ears are telling me.

I am very pleased with the AT's that you confirmed would be a good buy though so thanks for that one. I also bought the soft pads for my Grado's and it helps tremendously so thanks again.

Edit: Let me clarify what I meant when I said echo. It is not an obvious echo, but it is like an echo. The best way I can describe it is that it is similar to the effect that you get when you use the "concert hall" setting on your av receiver. I think they are just trying to simulate the effect of listening to the sound in a room instead of through headphones and it comes off sounding kind of like an echo.

No problem. 2-3 ain't bad.
post #292 of 10626
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Originally Posted by HoodedSoldier View Post

I picked up the Turtle Beach X3's tonight and got on halo 3 and dominated every damn game i played. One game i had 29/3 in team slayer. I don't know if it was the headphones or the people i was playing against lol. But i do know having a good pair of headphones makes you focus a whole lot more. They sound good but they are not comfortable at all and they make your ears so hot. I wasn't planning on keeping them, i just couldn't pick up the hd 555's because jnr was closed on saturday do to the jewish holidays. I'll return them before the official release of halo.

Heres proof the headphones do work lol. I've never done this good in my life in halo. EVAAAAAAAAAA. All night i was at the top. You can check the records lol. Look at everything from early morning 22nd and before and then look at late tonight and early am today. You'll see a vast improvement in stats. Yeah could of been the competition but hey lol.

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStat...ayer=MO%20GUNZ

Nice work Soilder.

The X3's are not 5.1, correct? Even so, if they were not so hot and uncomfortable, would you still recommend them on sound quality alone?

Dumb question: how are you going to get the Sennheiser HD 555 to work with the 360? It doesn't look like there is a mic and they are wired. If this question was already answered in this thread, I missed it. Sorry.
post #293 of 10626
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Originally Posted by properbostonian View Post

Nice work Soilder.

The X3's are not 5.1, correct? Even so, if they were not so hot and uncomfortable, would you still recommend them on sound quality alone?

Dumb question: how are you going to get the Sennheiser HD 555 to work with the 360? It doesn't look like there is a mic and they are wired. If this question was already answered in this thread, I missed it. Sorry.

No. they are not 5.1..

Yes.. Its been answered .
post #294 of 10626
Well I posted a seperate post, but you should know I haven't been able to get the small headphone amp connected to the 360 analog out. Here is the post:

I have an ongoing sound problem. I have 2 360's in the same room. One goes to tv via hdmi and optical to an amp. The other goes to a tv via hdmi. I tries to hook up a headphone amp to the analog output. Nothing. Can you have digital and analog out at the same time? I can't find the analog settings. Is the line level output from the 360 to low for the headphone amp. Is buying a cheap receiver the only answer to get the game sound to headphones? This is important as we will be playing halo 3 tonight.
post #295 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Mindwarper View Post

Well I posted a seperate post, but you should know I haven't been able to get the small headphone amp connected to the 360 analog out. Here is the post:

I have an ongoing sound problem. I have 2 360's in the same room. One goes to tv via hdmi and optical to an amp. The other goes to a tv via hdmi. I tries to hook up a headphone amp to the analog output. Nothing. Can you have digital and analog out at the same time? I can't find the analog settings. Is the line level output from the 360 to low for the headphone amp. Is buying a cheap receiver the only answer to get the game sound to headphones? This is important as we will be playing halo 3 tonight.

...change the 360s audio output to digital stereo.
post #296 of 10626
...my personal opinion...

i bought the x2's played with them a few hours and so pissed my ears were numb. took them back b/c i saw the x3's coming out. now i have the x3's, played with them a bit last night and thought they were pretty nice. here's my ramble:

x2's:
-sit "on" your ears, not "over" so your ears literally go numb
-sounded ok
-took a while to turn on or sync to station
-station big and bulky, supposed to be a docking station but i never used it
-battery compartment weird design, have to bend cover to get in place
-ir transmission, if disrupted, makes horrible sound/hiss

x3's: (new to these but here's my assessment)
-thankfully these sit "over" my ears
-i wouldn't say extremely comfortable but they're nice and reasonable
(i'm 6'4 235lbs, gotta pretty big noggin and my ears weren't hurting at all)
-IR transmitter WAY!! smaller than the x2's, nice suction/velcro for attaching
-noticed their voice technology which raises voice levels during intense times
-what i really noticed is how horrible other people's mics sound... geez
-weird at first but i now like their technology that allows you to hear yourself
somewhat through the headphones.
-expanded feature works... nothing amazing but it works
-bass boost sounds nice. def. helps
-wish it was made it black
-button config on headphones takes getting used to, (fumble around for a while)
-nice mic clarity
-no annoying static when disruption of ir transmission, just goes quiet (at least so far)

all in all i'm happy. i realized there are better sounding headphones out there but for xbox live compatibility this works out nice. i was looking at the tritton one's, which probably sound better, but turned away b/c i enjoy being as wireless as possible.

hope this helps!
post #297 of 10626
Still doesn't work. Moved it to digital stereo. Can't find any analog settings. The line level signal might be too low. I might have to buy an reciever tonight. Halo 3 co op calls. It says you should put more debt on your credit card and buy an amp. And two copies of the game. Any other suggestions for getting the game sound to headphones?

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Originally Posted by KShep View Post

...change the 360s audio output to digital stereo.
post #298 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Mindwarper View Post

Still doesn't work. Moved it to digital stereo. Can't find any analog settings. The line level signal might be too low. I might have to buy an reciever tonight. Halo 3 co op calls. It says you should put more debt on your credit card and buy an amp. And two copies of the game. Any other suggestions for getting the game sound to headphones?

Have you tried the audio out on your TV? You said that on your second Xbox you have HDMI running to that set. Maybe you could use the composite audio out on the TV if you have it.
post #299 of 10626
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Originally Posted by properbostonian View Post

Nice work Soilder.

The X3's are not 5.1, correct? Even so, if they were not so hot and uncomfortable, would you still recommend them on sound quality alone?

Dumb question: how are you going to get the Sennheiser HD 555 to work with the 360? It doesn't look like there is a mic and they are wired. If this question was already answered in this thread, I missed it. Sorry.

Yeah the sound quality is not bad at all. Very good for gaming. LIke the more recent post said they are good. They just weren't comfortable on my ears and made my ears hot so i couldn't justify the 100 dollar price tag if i could barely wear them. I picked up the sens 515's yesterday all i did is put the original ms headset around my neck for a mic as i couldn't find a mic yesterday. As you see i'm gonna buy as many as i can before i get the 555's which aren't returnable since jnr has no return policy only a exchange oh and i wanna buy a ipod touch lol
post #300 of 10626
so, i got some XFX gaming headphones for free from buy.com (coupon error), and i hadnt opened them, decided to give them a try.... the SQ is pretty good for gaming, and the rumble feature for the bass works out pretty nicely.

ears are getting a little warm, but the rumble effect is awesome in cod4 when a grenade goes off near you.

if anyone wants to check them out, they're actually free after rebate with google checkout... the rebate is 10 bucks, and even if i use them casually, they're definitely worth 10 bucks if you dont feel like sending the rebate in....

i'm still looking for a better xbox solution, even though these are usb powered and it works great on the 360 if you want to run a seperate cable for the mic, these will make good pc headphones for gaming. the mic will work well for mmorpg's if thats your thing.
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