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post #3091 of 10626
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

The mixamp lets you adjust both volumes (game and voice), as long as you have the voice set to "play through headset" and not "play through speakers".

The MixAmp DOES NOT allow you to adjust both volumes. It allows you to only adjust the game volume, and not the voice. It doesn't matter if you have it set to 'headset' or 'both', the results are the same.

The MixAmp provides ZERO amplification for voice chat volume. As i've said MANY times now, all it does is adjust the level of the game sound with the small knob, and leaves the voice chat volume the same. The voice chat volume stays constant regardless if the the small knob is turned all the way left or right. Turning the small knob all the way right just turns down the game volume, so that you can hear the voice chat better.
post #3092 of 10626
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Originally Posted by formulanerd View Post

hmmmm... so cant you just adjust it down, and adjust the master up? isnt that the same thing?

The Master volume will of course lower the volume of everything - both game and chat, just like any regular volume knob, but that is irrelevant. The point being, you cannot independently adjust the voice chat volume - the chat volume level remains constant... and the only lvl you are changing is the game volume.
post #3093 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

My review of the Astro A40 combo.. Im not a geeky dude so excuse if my review is about as layman and unprofessional as layman and unprofessional gets:

Here is my background..

I've played using Beyer DT100's I borrowed from work.. connected through my 8 year old Sony reciever. And it definitely lets you locate the sound. I wont say its the most accurate thing in the world.. because the sound is neither 5.1 nor designed expressly for gaming. I have also bought/tried two different 5.1 gaming specific headsets and used both with COD4. The $99 Tritton AX360 headset & $199 Turtle Beach X4.

The AX360's had way to many wires, way too many volume controls and sound way to tinny. It felt like the sounds were comin through a soda can. Even worse there was no bass. The materials did feel quality though.

The X4 on the other hand felt cheap as shyt. It felt like a $29 headphone.. instead of a $199. Which to say the sound surprised the hell outta me.. there was alot more more full sound.. with actual bass. And the 5.1 was pretty accurate.. but they are IR and line of sight was a HUGE problem. The wireless also meant there was a slight buzzing noise the whole time. When out of sight, the noise was so bad it could completely drown out the game sound if you turned your head or moved from in front of the reciever.

So being a headphone noob.. I figured it was smart to start with the cheapest option first.. I spent $99 bucks and it sucked. Returned those and went with the middle option next.. $199 bucks and it somewhat still sucked. The X4's would be perfect if they were A) Wired.. B) $99 instead of $199. Now I'm at the point where I just spent $255 for the best gaming headset money can buy. Considering the A40 combo is MLG sponsored, used during Pro gaming events & every review site I've read has given it a solid 10.. I was pretty sure Im gonna get my moneys worth this time.


Here is when I recieved & used the headphones:

We all know the Astro packaging its bomb. Which is was. Ordered the Black frame, MLG edition. Got sent the regular White edition. So I was a little blown there. Couldnt really enjoy the packaging, after being bummed out they sent the wrong colour, regular edition. 5 minute call to Astro fixed that though, they are sending me the Black frames tomorrow.. with return label for the white frames. And will send the MLG speaker tags as soon as in stock. So all is well that ends well.

Performance wise.. I gotta say these headphones are the real deal. I've played with headphones before. I've played with 5.1 surround before. I've played with other gaming headphones before. There was always a weakness. Always something missing or lacking. Always something.

With the Astro's there is none. The only complaint I can possible think of is all the wires. There are 1 wire from headset to mixamp, 1 from controller to mixamp, 1 USB wire from mixamp to 360, 1 TOSHLINK/Opt from mixamp to 360. But the mixamp sits on the floor about 5 feet from me. The controller is in my hands. And the headphones have a quick disconnect feature that allows to me to get up and run to the bathroom or fix another drink inbetween rounds.

I gotta say this is $255 bucks I probably should spent along time ago.. considering how much COD4 I play. And how much more involved these headphones make you in the game. For the first time ever, I can identify sounds in the game as to what they are.. and where they are coming from. I watch ALOT of Military Channel and I think this shyt is called "situational awareness". Meaning you just know what the fock is goin on.

Its more than just knowing someone is sneaking up on you and trying to knife you in the back or get a cheap headshot. Its that so many little things that you used to get me killed doesnt happen anymore:

1) Running past a camper, or hearing somebody walk on the roof above you, or you camping and hearing someone coming from a specific side.
2) I can hear grenades falling around me. You throw a grenade at me I can tell you if landed in front, to which side or behind me.
3) I know where the enemy chopper is at ALL times on the map, without having to look for it.. and so now I know when and how to hide from it.
4) When I turn a corner and Im getting shot at.. I hear exactly which direction the bullets are coming from and can try to either take cover and fire in that direction.
5) Running in open space on large maps I can hear the sniper rifle and where the shot is coming from. I can then take cover immediately.
6) Most importantly.. I am immersed in the game. Vision & Sound is 100% focused on COD4. Living in apt.. I cant crank my 5.1 reciever up enough to hear the sounds listed above. And even if I could.. they would feedback into the mic. So I usually play with the TV sound on.. and very normal level.. which gives you none of the surround feedback you see listed above.

There is no doubt these headphones make me a better player.. mainly because Im more aware and more focused on whats going on in the game. I highly recommend them to anyone who is a COD4 or FPS fanatic!!

P.S.
Also want to add that I hear my teammates alot clearer. And in both ears. So when someones "Daekwan.. its a guy behind you". Or that theres a sniper on top of Grandmas house.. I get that information very clear and very correct.

I also love the fact I now hear bullets whizzing by head. I cant tell you guys how many times I used to die.. because I simply never knew I was getting shot at. I've seen it a million times in the KILLCAM where the dude is unloading a whole clip at me.. and Im just freaking standing there. Not anymore bytches.. you fire a shot at me. Imma duck and fire 3 back at your azz. You just better hope you hit me first!!

I'd rate them a 9 outta 10.. If they would have gotten my order right the first time around.. Id say 10 outta 10!!! Very happy customer!!

Good writeup. Glad you enjoy them.

The crazy thing is, CoD4's audio is bad. I don't mean the actual sound and positioning is bad, but what is bad is how compressed the audio is. Try CoD: WaW to see the difference between less compressed and over compressed game audio. In WaW the audio is a lot more defined and crisp. The gun fire has a lot more weight to them, and the separation is a lot better because of the better detail.
post #3094 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Foe-hammer View Post

The Master volume will of course lower the volume of everything - both game and chat, just like any regular volume knob, but that is irrelevant. The point being, you cannot independently adjust the voice chat volume - the chat volume level remains constant... and the only lvl you are changing is the game volume.

right, but what i'm saying is this:


say the comfortable game volume is 20%, but you want the voice louder.... turn the game portion half way down, then increase the master to 40%, making your game audio 20% and the voice double what it was before.

i understand there isn't a specific knob to adjust voice volume, but that doesnt mean you can't raise the voice volume over the "floor" of the game volume by reducing game volume and increasing master volume.

i actually do the same thing now, without the mixamp... in game (options menu) i crank the volume down to 20% or so, then crank my yamaha receiver up so the voice is nice and loud (read, audible) and the game volume is normal.... the mixamp excels because the xbox sounds, or some game sounds still come out at 100% reference, which is deafening at times... it's also tedius to adjust volume in the game menu, and some games dont allow for adjustment at all (i'm lookin at you halo!).

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Originally Posted by Foe-hammer View Post

Good writeup. Glad you enjoy them.

The crazy thing is, CoD4's audio is bad. I don't mean the actual sound and positioning is bad, but what is bad is how compressed the audio is. Try CoD: WaW to see the difference between less compressed and over compressed game audio. In WaW the audio is a lot more defined and crisp. The gun fire has a lot more weight to them, and the separation is a lot better because of the better detail.

i agree, cod:waw has better quality audio, but i found the effects and positioning to be way better in cod4. hopefully MW2 will keep the areas they excelled in, and improve over all sound quality (which i'm sure they will)
post #3095 of 10626
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Originally Posted by formulanerd View Post

right, but what i'm saying is this:


say the comfortable game volume is 20%, but you want the voice louder.... turn the game portion half way down, then increase the master to 40%, making your game audio 20% and the voice double what it was before.

i understand there isn't a specific knob to adjust voice volume, but that doesnt mean you can't raise the voice volume over the "floor" of the game volume by reducing game volume and increasing master volume.

i actually do the same thing now, without the mixamp... in game (options menu) i crank the volume down to 20% or so, then crank my yamaha receiver up so the voice is nice and loud (read, audible) and the game volume is normal.... the mixamp excels because the xbox sounds, or some game sounds still come out at 100% reference, which is deafening at times... it's also tedius to adjust volume in the game menu, and some games dont allow for adjustment at all (i'm lookin at you halo!).



i agree, cod:waw has better quality audio, but i found the effects and positioning to be way better in cod4. hopefully MW2 will keep the areas they excelled in, and improve over all sound quality (which i'm sure they will)

You are 100% correct. You can adjust the master knob to where the voice volume is where you want it to be, then temper the small knob turning it right, to adjust the game volume lvl to where you want it to be. For those who are using high ohm headphones (250ohm), i have to turn up the large master knob to max, and i still need more volume. But that isn't the only problem. Even when hooked up to a desktop headphone amp to give the mixamp more power, or when using lower ohm headphones, there comes a point where the master volume large knob will start introducing static the more you turn it up. I have to have zero static when everything is quiet.

And as you mentioned, the mixamp basically does the same thing as you would do in a game that allows for game volume adjustment but just more convenient, because you have a knob that can be turned at any time without having to go into the game menu.

Concerning CoD:WaW and CoD:4.... After playing WaW exclusively for the last month or so, and going back to 4, i was amazed at how bad 4's audio QUALITY was. Everything sounded compressed and it was hard for me to separate the mids from other sounds. Everything felt crammed together - nothing came across as distinct compared to WaW. After a while my brain gets used to 4's compressed audio, and things are fine. But after playing WaW for a good long time, i feel that EVERY aspect of the audio is better - this mainly can be attributed to the better quality. Not only better 3D positioning, but you can also tell when someone is above or below you at the same level. This is not possible with 4 (cannot tell the difference between someone above, below, or on the same level as you).
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it was the opposite for me, generally(on both games) i can tell where everything is coming from on a clock perspective (of course, extreme 6:00 is tricky), as well as above and below, the problem for me with WAW was that even far away, the surround elements made them feel really close, were as with COD4 i could judge distance better.... one person might say they could hear someone behind them better in WAW because they could hear it more clearly (i'd say especially with lower quality headphones) but for me, thats not a positive thing, when i hear someone up on me, i expect them to be close, and in COD4 i can more effectively judge the distance, which to ME is the most important aspect of surround gaming w/ headphones or otherwise.

just my opinion.... WAW seems to put everything right there AT you... just misleading most of the time (for me)
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CoD:4 doesn't have the algorithms in the game to distinguish when someone is above or below you. CoD:WaW is the first CoD game (or possibly the first game ever) to code for this.
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...for the first time in a Call of Duty game, you can distinctly tell the difference between someone walking next to you vs. above or below you...

So it isn't a matter of 5.1 surround, it is a matter of the devs coding for it. I would expect Modern Warfare 2 to have this, but CoD4 does not.

http://www.callofduty.com/intel/185

I also can judge the difference in sound distance very well in CoD:WaW. Just as good as with COD4. Plus the sound effect of the large sniper rifle in WaW is the best i've ever heard. It echo's around the map just as my high powered rifle does when fired.
post #3098 of 10626
Turtle beach x-4's rock with all games . Gears of war 2 , call of duty , world at war . I love them bert
post #3099 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Foe-hammer View Post

Plus the sound effect of the large sniper rifle in WaW is the best i've ever heard. It echo's around the map just as my high powered rifle does when fired.

Another good one is the sniper rifle in Resistance Fall of Man on the PS3 , freaking intense .

- Jason
post #3100 of 10626
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Originally Posted by LAMBERT R CONE View Post

Turtle beach x-4's rock with all games . Gears of war 2 , call of duty , world at war . I love them bert

The X4's are built around solid technology for 5.1 surround (Dolby Headphone DSP), but their execution is lacking - poor driver quality and amplification. They'd be a good deal for $100 and under, but i wouldn't recommend them for anything higher.
post #3101 of 10626
Has anyone try using a USB sound card adaptor with their 360 so you can use pc headset ?
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360 usb is encrypted, and only supported devices will connect.... that and there wouldnt be any drivers for it anyway.
post #3103 of 10626
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Originally Posted by formulanerd View Post




i agree, cod:waw has better quality audio, but i found the effects and positioning to be way better in cod4. hopefully MW2 will keep the areas they excelled in, and improve over all sound quality (which i'm sure they will)

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. I'm not a huge audiophile but I am a pretty hardcore gamer GB and MLG and I previously thought that CoD4 had better audio than CoD5. But you might be right I was probably conflating audio quality and quality of effects and positioning ques.

Anyway I think CoD4 is better at allowing a person with headphones to more accurately tell where opponents are and giving as Daekwan phrased it "Situational Awareness".

Daekwan, I'm very glad to hear your enjoying your headphones. Its awesome with Shooters. Its ok with other genre's but those are aesthetic shooters is where it actually improves game play. When I put on my headphones I call it going into DareDevil mode, LOL.

I see you got the MLG Tags. Does that mean you'll have an extra pair of regular tags? If so are you going to keep them? I'm willing to buy your regular Astro Tags off you if your not going to keep them.

(I do model building and so I kind of end up custom painting a lot of things). I'm going to do custom tags for myself with my gamertag but in daredevil colors because 1) Astro's remind me of him and 2)I think crimson and a little yellow would look sharp with the Astro's.

So congrats and let me know.
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Giants.. yeah I got the MLG tagged ones but they were actually backordered. So they just sent me regular tags. When my MLG tag ones get here.. they are yours for $10 bucks shipped. (and as long as Astro doesnt ask for the regular tags back.. lol).

Loving the headphones man.. best accessory I've bought my 360 so far!!
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Giants.. yeah I got the MLG tagged ones but they were actually backordered. So they just sent me regular tags. When my MLG tag ones get here.. they are yours for $10 bucks shipped. (and as long as Astro doesnt ask for the regular tags back.. lol).

Loving the headphones man.. best accessory I've bought my 360 so far!!

Yeah, sounds good to me. I'll take that deal just let me know when you get the MLG ones. I bought a pair as a present for my brother (after a few uses of mine and comments when visiting).

It's really really nice when you get your friends to use deadly silence and you know that EVERY footstep you hear is the enemy. Its kind of like having permanent Recon Plane.

If you play Search and Destroy it is the best. You can hear if someone is planting the bomb easily without having to have a direct line of sight on it. You can also hear when they are defusing it without the direct line of sight.

In 360 GB games most of the top clans assume that opponents have headphones so they often fake the defusing by defusing for 1 sec then stopping to see if anyone tries to pop up.

I was also accused of cheating quite a few times when ignorant guys couldn't fathom why we always knew where they were and shot them in the back a ton of times........etc
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Originally Posted by NYGiants56 View Post

If you play Search and Destroy it is the best. You can hear if someone is planting the bomb easily without having to have a direct line of sight on it. You can also hear when they are defusing it without the direct line of sight.

amen.

i try to place a satchel charge underneath A and B, that way if you hear someone you can detonate it, you can also detonate as soon as you see/hear "bomb planted" and always kill the planter.
post #3107 of 10626
You guys are like COD4 masters of the world!! Please continue to share your knowledge.. Imma play S&D now that I have these!!
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fyi, most maps its hard to get satchels on both areas, so roll the dice, pick one and load it up with 2 charges

also, make sure you're wearing headphones, yea.... headphones, this is a good headphone thread.
post #3109 of 10626
I love my Astro A40 setup. I'm on business travel and picked up a PC monitor with speakers. Speakers are garbage but the A40 really brings the surround setup experience I love from my HT setup in the states. Even the music sounds great when listening on my laptop... far better than my really old Sony's.
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Alright, I have an old set of Bose Triport phones that I received as a present in college. The sound started shorting out of one ear a year or so after owning them (hah, imagine that...), and I really never cared to get them fixed. All this talk of the A40's has me salivating, and I'm trying to sate my desire for them as cheaply as possible. (weddings are expensive [or at least my lady is...])

My question is then: is it worth it to spend $40 and send them back to Bose for a new set and pair them up with a dolby-capable amp (eg, JVC)? Or should I just skip it and wait until I can afford better? Obviously I'm not an audiophile or I wouldn't be asking this question. What I'd like is to get a piece of the sweet directional awareness that Daekwan and crew keep talking about in COD4. I'm jealous dammit.
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Originally Posted by mtdye View Post

Alright, I have an old set of Bose Triport phones that I received as a present in college. The sound started shorting out of one ear a year or so after owning them (hah, imagine that...), and I really never cared to get them fixed. All this talk of the A40's has me salivating, and I'm trying to sate my desire for them as cheaply as possible. (weddings are expensive [or at least my lady is...])

My question is then: is it worth it to spend $40 and send them back to Bose for a new set and pair them up with a dolby-capable amp (eg, JVC)? Or should I just skip it and wait until I can afford better? Obviously I'm not an audiophile or I wouldn't be asking this question. What I'd like is to get a piece of the sweet directional awareness that Daekwan and crew keep talking about in COD4. I'm jealous dammit.


i say you do what i'm going to do...

say screw it, get them and don't look back. don't even think of the price.....just roll with it and love them like a new born baby when you get them!!
post #3112 of 10626
Dude...must not succumb...

Maybe if I just make sure the receipt is never found......
post #3113 of 10626
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Originally Posted by mtdye View Post

Dude...must not succumb...

Maybe if I just make sure the receipt is never found......

hilarious!! that's exactly what i'm doing!! just say a guy named Daekwan from the forum is getting them for you for $50.00!
post #3114 of 10626
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Originally Posted by mtdye View Post

Dude...must not succumb...

Maybe if I just make sure the receipt is never found......

I did today. Should arrive in a few days
post #3115 of 10626
Oh ya, please, everyone buy these things. Turns my itchy jealousy into some singular obsession.
post #3116 of 10626
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Originally Posted by mtdye View Post

Alright, I have an old set of Bose Triport phones that I received as a present in college. The sound started shorting out of one ear a year or so after owning them (hah, imagine that...), and I really never cared to get them fixed. All this talk of the A40's has me salivating, and I'm trying to sate my desire for them as cheaply as possible. (weddings are expensive [or at least my lady is...])

My question is then: is it worth it to spend $40 and send them back to Bose for a new set and pair them up with a dolby-capable amp (eg, JVC)? Or should I just skip it and wait until I can afford better? Obviously I'm not an audiophile or I wouldn't be asking this question. What I'd like is to get a piece of the sweet directional awareness that Daekwan and crew keep talking about in COD4. I'm jealous dammit.

Yes, them sell them on Ebay.
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Yes, them sell them on Ebay.

X2

Get them fixed then sell those overpriced turds for a profit on ebay - money towards the Astro A40 headset and mixamp, or good headphones plus mixamp.
post #3118 of 10626
I like it. That's what I'll do then.
post #3119 of 10626
Smart man...)
post #3120 of 10626
well I got my astros and i think they are amazing!!!

My old set up Tritton AXpro- Ok headset! because i have a big head i had to improvise and make my own microphone.
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