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post #8881 of 10626
Well, I know the DAC won't be used on the go, but an LOD is all I need to just get the source signal anyway, so there shouldn't be a nees for the DAC on the go.

And yes, the CAL = D1001 with a cosmetic, rebadged difference. That's why you guys should take me seriously when I say that it rocks. It's not some random budget can. The D1001 still sells for $150 or so, and the CAL is $100 practically everywhere but on Newegg. I dunno why Newegg has it for so cheap, but Im not complaining. Try it out and tell me the DT770 Pro is better. I dare you. About the only thing the Pro does better is bass quantity and a larger soundstage (which is just freakish in nature to begin with for a closed can). The CAL has it's own big soundstage, and great overall balance.

Hell, check the 36 portable shootout by ljokerl on headfi. He rates the CAL incredibly high, losing in overall score mainly for it's mediocre isolation from external noise. I think it got a 8.5 in sound, 2nd only to the HD25-II which score a 9 for him. His thoughts pretty much mirrored my own except he thinks the bass is exagerrated at times. I don't see how, it's not even a basshead can...
post #8882 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

Well, I know the DAC won't be used on the go, but an LOD is all I need to just get the source signal anyway, so there shouldn't be a nees for the DAC on the go.

And yes, the CAL = D1001 with a cosmetic, rebadged difference. That's why you guys should take me seriously when I say that it rocks. It's not some random budget can. The D1001 still sells for $150 or so, and the CAL is $100 practically everywhere but on Newegg. I dunno why Newegg has it for so cheap, but Im not complaining. Try it out and tell me the DT770 Pro is better. I dare you. About the only thing the Pro does better is bass quantity and a larger soundstage (which is just freakish in nature to begin with for a closed can). The CAL has it's own big soundstage, and great overall balance.

Hell, check the 36 portable shootout by ljokerl on headfi. He rates the CAL incredibly high, losing in overall score mainly for it's mediocre isolation from external noise. I think it got a 8.5 in sound, 2nd only to the HD25-II which score a 9 for him. His thoughts pretty much mirrored my own except he thinks the bass is exagerrated at times. I don't see how, it's not even a basshead can...

I might try it in a week or two... but you are basing an 80 ohm can with only the mixamp or E5 driving it. I think the E5 did ok, but the uDac and LD I+ squash that and make the 770 sing. Not saying I'd still prefer it over the CAL, but I'd want to make sure both were properly amped to get a good impression.... nothing like driving a Camry and Ferrari on city streets and claiming the Camry victor because it was more comfortable and quiet.

Note: touch screen phones suk!

Edit: Don't take this as I'm trying to call you out... I'm just saying, that if both were properly amped, would you feel the same way? ...and you might.... just saying...

Edit 2: Just read a few reviews on them... Shin might be right... they're getting pretty good reviews.
post #8883 of 10626
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

Coby makes the BESTEST headphones for gaming!

You just couldn't resist, could you?
post #8884 of 10626
Ok, what am I doing wrong?

I haven't had my mixamp in use for a while, been using my HT and last night when trying to test my HD800's I had the optical out of the xbox into my AVR and used the optical out of the AVR into the mixamp... no sound I had the correct source selected on the AVR and would get sound on my HT but it was not passing it through the optical out for some reason... any suggestions? I thought this was how I was doing it before but maybe I am forgetting something?

I eventually just ran the optical straight from the 360 to the mixamp but this is not how I want to use it... what am I forgetting here?
post #8885 of 10626
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Ok, what am I doing wrong?

I haven't had my mixamp in use for a while, been using my HT and last night when trying to test my HD800's I had the optical out of the xbox into my AVR and used the optical out of the AVR into the mixamp... no sound I had the correct source selected on the AVR and would get sound on my HT but it was not passing it through the optical out for some reason... any suggestions? I thought this was how I was doing it before but maybe I am forgetting something?

I eventually just ran the optical straight from the 360 to the mixamp but this is not how I want to use it... what am I forgetting here?

You forgot to turn on the MixAmp or plug in the headphones... happens to a lot of people.
post #8886 of 10626
"Ferb, I know what we're going to do today"... If you have kids, you probably recognize this from Phineas and Ferb on Disney channel... now, the relevance... I believe... I'm going to AKG-ify my Beyers! On Monday, I'm heading down to Redco audio... pick up a Female and Male mini-XLR and turn the Beyers into AKG cable style mount... and that way, I can use ANY K240/K702 cable on them. What do you guys think? I'm probably also going to go and get some Dynamat from them dampen the enclosures to tighten up the bass, maybe bring it in-line with everything else. Will have to play with that a bit.
post #8887 of 10626
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

"Ferb, I know what we're going to do today"... If you have kids, you probably recognize this from Phineas and Ferb on Disney channel... now, the relevance... I believe... I'm going to AKG-ify my Beyers! On Monday, I'm heading down to Redco audio... pick up a Female and Male mini-XLR and turn the Beyers into AKG cable style mount... and that way, I can use ANY K240/K702 cable on them. What do you guys think? I'm probably also going to go and get some Dynamat from them dampen the enclosures to tighten up the bass, maybe bring it in-line with everything else. Will have to play with that a bit.

I think you have too much time on your hands.

J/K. Sounds like a great idea actually.
post #8888 of 10626
Changed my mind.... I don't really feel like AKG-ing my Beyers. I'm gonna stick with dual entry and music (and movies) only from them.
post #8889 of 10626
Hahaha, random changes for the lulz.

As for the DT770 Pros, I KNOW they're a better headphone overall, but no manner of amping/dac'ing it will change their warm, bassy sound signature. I'd say the CAL would be better liked because it's more balanced, and not so oriented on a certain type of consumer.

I myself love the DT770s bass, and pure power over the CAL. But since I'm not just listening to music, the CAL does a better job for gaming IMHO. If the bass on the 770 Pros were turned down quite a bit, and the mids were raised, they would smoke probably anything out there in their price range for closed can gaming.

edit: Ironically, I'm running the CAL off her laptop on Winamp with a completely flat eq, and they do sound like they have bass emphasis. I didn't get that with my other devices, it's weird. The mids are definitely still awesome.

Like I said, in their price range there are better options for music, and better options for gaming. But if you want a multi-purpose headphone that can do both GREATLY, the CAL fits that bill perfectly, and nothing can match their comfort, IMHO.
post #8890 of 10626
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Originally Posted by ljokerl on Head-Fi View Post



Creative Aurvana Live!: A true circumaural headphone, the portability of the CAL! may be questionable but the sound produced by the OEM Foster drivers shared with the renowned Denon AH-D1001k is not.



Build Quality (7/10): The Creative Aurvana Live! is a well-built headphone but doesn’t exude the same air of solidity as the K81dj and HA-M750. The plastics feel sturdy and well-made. The glossy black cups and chrome trim are fingerprint magnets but the grime isn’t too visible on them (unlike, for example, the ATH-ES7). The stainless steel headband is padded and the cabling is nice and thick, rubberized to prevent tangling and short enough for portable use. An extension cable is included. On the downside, the CAL! are neither collapsible nor flat-folding, so calling them portables is contingent entirely on their having a shorter cable and being easily driven.

Comfort (9.5/10): The cups of the Creative Aurvana Live! were designed to be circumaural, and they are - for all but those with the largest ears. The cups are deep, extremely comfortable, and have a wide range of motion. The phones themselves are very light, largely due to the plastic construction, and there is almost no clamping force exerted by the headband. The pleather on the cups and headband feels quite soft but can get warm after a while, though I can stay cool longer in these than the JVC HA-M750.

Isolation (5.5/10): Though leakage is expectedly low, the isolation of CAL! is also quite low for a closed can. While better than almost all of the on-ear ultraportables, it just doesn’t compare some of the larger closed cans. I found myself cranking the volume up almost immediately when going outside.

Sound (8.5/10): As mentioned before, the CAL! shares OEM drivers (as well as pads and parts of the inner structure) with the renowned Denon AH-D1001k. My expectations were pretty high for these, so I was fairly surprised when I found the general sound signature to be similar to that of the significantly-cheaper JVC HA-M750. Over time, however, they grew on me and I learned to differentiate them from the JVCs in subtle but important ways. Like the JVCs, the CAL!s are bass-heavy headphones with a very rich-sounding midrange and a warm tonality. However, the Creatives boast better clarity in the (far less forward) midrange and a more dimensional sound - the soundstage has some depth in addition to the width. They are more laid back and balanced and at the same time a little faster when the music calls for it. The bass is textured, fairly well-controlled, and surprisingly deep (capable of dropping below 30Hz). The low-end response can be excessive at times - these are most definitely not monitoring headphones – but it’s hard to beat them for an enjoyable and relaxed listening experience with plenty of subwoofer bass.

Value (9/10). (MSRP: $99.99, Street Price: $60). I like these, I really do. They are extremely comfortable, reasonably portable, and they sound oh-so-good. Granted, the sound isn’t quite as neutral as some may prefer and the isolation could be better. But they are just so very fun to listen to. In a series of A:B comparisons they make my JVC HA-M750 sound muddy, aggressive, and flat and my K81Dj – hollow and resonant. The CAL! is definitely one headphone I could use both on the go and at home, but only if isolation was inconsequential and absolute portability was not a concern.

He has tested a ridiculous amount of headphones both low end and high end. For the CAL to be 2nd for him in SQ pretty much says why I think they're great.
post #8891 of 10626
Yeah the HD800 are really amazing, even with games they are tip top. Soundstage slightly smaller than the K702 but larger than the 880 and not quote as much air betwen things with the k702 but the isolation of each note and every sound is so exquisite in how it is layered. I'ts not really like anything I've heard. Obviously the definition in overkill for this application but when spending this kind of money on a headphone for music it damn well better perform top notch for games and music too!!!

post #8892 of 10626
Those look like something out of the year 3000. They literallg eat the side of your head too, right? Lol.

I am absolutely envious. I could only dream about spending that much on headphones. But it'd be a waste for me as I don't really use headphones much to begin with.

They are awesome looking. I could only imagine the looks you'd get of you wore those on the go, lol.
post #8893 of 10626
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Yeah the HD800 are really amazing, even with games they are tip top. Soundstage slightly smaller than the K702 but larger than the 880 and not quote as much air betwen things with the k702 but the isolation of each note and every sound is so exquisite in how it is layered. I'ts not really like anything I've heard. Obviously the definition in overkill for this application but when spending this kind of money on a headphone for music it damn well better perform top notch for games and music too!!!

HAWT! I want those! Someday... those, T1s, D7000, and PS1000 will be in my stable.... next to my listening chair! Is that a GS Lite? Can't really find those anymore... and they're supposed to be really nice. Too bad they're not in production anymore.

Oh yea.... lots of nice stuff there... now all you need is a programmable universal remote with LCD touch screen, voice activation and coffee maker.
post #8894 of 10626

DT770 Cups, Epoxied, Sanded and painted. Now awaiting re-wiring into dual mod. These pictures are of the actual openings that have been epoxied over.
post #8895 of 10626
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

HAWT! I want those! Someday... those, T1s, D7000, and PS1000 will be in my stable.... next to my listening chair! Is that a GS Lite? Can't really find those anymore... and they're supposed to be really nice. Too bad they're not in production anymore.

Oh yea.... lots of nice stuff there... now all you need is a programmable universal remote with LCD touch screen, voice activation and coffee maker.

No, that's the Graham Slee Solo SRG II. I have ti say I was pretty impressed with what I was hearing even playing MW2 last night. Best thing is that there weren't any peaks, I wasn't trying to turn the volume done when harriers came, directional is pretty spot on and the signature of the headphone in supreme instrument separation played well with all the sounds on the battlefield. Sweet mercy these things are comfortable too!
post #8896 of 10626
SWZ, what are you planning on doing with the cups?

I'm loving the CAL for everything. I can't believe these are $60 on Newegg.
post #8897 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

SWZ, what are you planning on doing with the cups?

I'm loving the CAL for everything. I can't believe these are $60 on Newegg.

At this point, probably only dual entry. If I can get the Wood cups later (if I don't sell after the dual cups)... then I'll re-mod again.
post #8898 of 10626
I mean cosmetically. They look like you have a layer of frosting over them, so I figured you were doing something to their looks before the woodies.
post #8899 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

I mean cosmetically. They look like you have a layer of frosting over them, so I figured you were doing something to their looks before the woodies.

That's painter's tape. Covering up the stock grain and writing thats on top of them. That'll come off soon. The only thing I painted was the sides of the cups and epoxied up all the openings (except where the cup forks go).
post #8900 of 10626
Ah okay. I though you were gonna sand down where the DT770 Pro 80 was and have it match the rest of the cup.
post #8901 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

Ah okay. I though you were gonna sand down where the DT770 Pro 80 was and have it match the rest of the cup.

Nah, basic dual entry for now. I may end up doing something else later on.... when both funds open up or wood cups become available.
post #8902 of 10626
People, I need assistance.

First of all, I hate myself for overthinking this.

Some of you have owned the AD700 and the K701/2. How drastic would you say the difference is between them for gaming? How much of a soundstage size difference is there? What about directional cues? Any other important factors for gaming?

As you can tell, I'm now wondering if I should go for the K702 for my purposes. There have been many times over the last several days when I've had my finger on the 'buy' button but then wondered "Am I REALLY going to notice a huge difference with $2XX headphones for gaming?" Especially considering that I can have SWZ trick out the AD700's and still come out ahead vs the K702.

I apologize to you guys for my constant arguments with myself () but you're the only ones I know who'll "get" the problems I'm having.
post #8903 of 10626
To me, the K70x is a noticable improvement over the AD700. It simply does everything better, including bass, and soundstage. For general gaming, I'd give the AD700s a 10 for competition, and the K70x a 10. Is it there huge improvement? No. Is it worth it? I say yes, because there is a certain thing about the AKGs that just make you want them no matter how much they are. They are a blessing for me.
As for positioning? I find them both to perform equally. Soundstage is obviously bigger, but it won't really make a difference gaming-wise. It's just there to wow you. You can kick ass with no soundstage, believe me. I did it with my RE0s.

I'd say sell the AD700s, get the AKGs, and never look back or question it.

Don't A/B them. Do it by memory AFTER getting rid of the AD700s. (if you own them, I forgot).

You won't miss the AD700s once you have just the K70x.

Remember, I'm an AD700 fanboy. The K70x is like a perfected version of it. If you can afford it, don't question it. It's that simple. If you wanna save money, the AD700s are a downright monster for gaming. But it isn't perfect. The K70x is seriously close to perfect for me. A little more bass would've made them perfect.

Hell, the DT880s are the BEST overall from all I heard, but I damn to hell their weak rear cues. They had everything. Bass, soundstage, positioning, EVERYTHING I could ask for in the perfect gaming headphone. It's a downright shame they failed in the rear cues.

Read my next post where I attempt to male more sense...
post #8904 of 10626
I edited my last post a million times, so make sure to read it now, after reading this message.

For gaming, the most important thing is positioning and rear audio cues, IMHO. Soundstage helps you paint the picture with your ears, but for gaming, you'll mostly rely on the direction sounds are coming from, which both do exceptionally well (along with most decent headphones).

Clarity is a strong point of both, and you'll hear the exact same sounds on both, but the K70x will give you these sounds in a more refined way. The AD700s can sound harsher and more sibilant in comparison. Both are unquestionably bright, but the K70x sounds more natural, though still brighter than I think sounds are supposed to be.

If you hear the K70x chances are you will most likely not wanna go back to the AD700s. But you're NOT gonna be getting more of a competitive edge with them compared to the AD700s. They just sound better as a whole.

I believe 'nerd will agree with me. That's why he still wants to keep the AD700s for competition and sell off his AKGs for something different altogether. I don't blame him. If I found the AD700s comfy, I would've kept them and bought myself spme beastly closed cans for everything else, and not the K70x as a replacement.

But for the sake of sound itself, I would go with the AKGs without a doubt.
post #8905 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

Hell, the DT880s are the BEST overall from all I heard, but I damn to hell their weak rear cues. They had everything. Bass, soundstage, positioning, EVERYTHING I could ask for in the perfect gaming headphone. It's a downright shame they failed in the rear cues.

The DT880's have great rear and center cues for me. The only thing they lack in imo is mids.
post #8906 of 10626
We all hear differently. Because to me tge DT880 is well balanced all across, and though the mids are recessed, they aren't recessed enough to impact gaming in a negative way. Me and 'nerd who owned different ohm versions of the DT880 both pretty much agree that the rear cues freaking suck compared to other headphones. I had the same problem with the A40s having a terrible time discerning front/rear so YMMV.
post #8907 of 10626
The thing with front/rear audio cues is that they vary by headphone in a huge way. Some have a completely different sound when it comes to front sounds and rear sounds. Some don't make much of a distinction at all but paint you a picture in your head that leads you to believe there is something behind you. Some have both a very different sound between front/rear AND just sound like there is actually something behind you (DT770 Pro 80 did this best out of all I tried).

The A40s and DT880 just didnt sound so different from front and back, and didn't give me a sense of something behind me. As if their sound was all coming from 180 degrees in front of me as opposed to the full 360.

Headphones like the ES7 aren't exactly game worthy, but theor sound from front and back is so easy to pick up and differentiate, that I dont need to actually feel like its coming from behind. This isn't optimal, but it works better for me than what the A40s and DT880 had to offer me.
post #8908 of 10626
BB, my take on this is... if you can swing the extra for the K702.... do it. You will not only have a great headphone for gaming, but you'll have something that will "grow" with you for music as well. You may not do a lot of music listening now... but when you decide (and once you have them, I'm sure you'll at least try them for music). You have a pair of headphones that sound good with lesser stuff, but as your increase the power and complexity of your source...just start to sound better. I found the AD700 were good for gaming, but their unnatural sound (to me anyway), made them annoying for ANY type of music. Then again, I didn't really like them more than the HPX for gaming (as I was already used to them and didn't need/nor want for anything)... that is, until that Demon PJ let me borrow his.... and I found out what I was missing.

Note: My LD I+ is powering them quite nicely. I only put volume up to about 9-11 o'clock (35-40 out of 100 on the LD I+ volume knob) before it's too loud. This is with an SWZ cable, as I find the stock cable decent (better than I thought before), but the SWZ cable (well, a decent OFC cable) brought out the mids and bass more.

So, IMHO... if you can deal with the HPX... stop looking. If you want to upgrade and cost isn't as much of a concern... jump over the AD700 and get the K702 as they are a better headphone and can be used for more than just gaming. I don't think you'll really need more than the MixAmp to power them as I've been playing since day 1 without anything else. THE ONLY time I've amped the signal from the MixAmp was when I had my kids running around and playing. Then I just used a Fiio E5. With the clearity the K702 produce, I've even been able to back off the Voice chat knob to 1-2 o'clock, where I've always had it at 3 o'clock before. Again, YMMV.
post #8909 of 10626
I wasn't sure if BB had the AD700s or not. I have a bad memory when it comes to these things.

I will agree with SWZ. Since you have the HPX, the next logical step IMHO is something like the K70x, though I don't necessarily know how the HPX stacks up to the AD700s asides from what SWZ tells me.
post #8910 of 10626
I agree with the others. If you can afford it (the headphones, amp, gaming cable, mute switch), get the K702. Their fuller, clearer sound is noticeable when gaming. If all you care about is competition level positioning, then get the AD700. But if you want great positioning AND clearer fuller sound, get the K702. Since the K702 need the amp and gaming cable, their cost is significantly higher than an AD700 with a mic glued to it. With a bravo amp, it would be roughly $350 for a (new) K702 setup, and around $100 for the AD700 with glued mic. The difference in price is easier to justify when you consider how good the K702s are with music too (and how relatively bad the AD700 are). But if you never plan to listen to music with them, that price difference is a lot harder to justify, IMO.

Another consideration in the mix is having the cleaner, more robust gaming solution with the 702s in the SWZ gaming cable. If you wind up gluing or velcroing a mic to the AD700s, it will never be as robust, and you'll have to baby them so it doesn't break off or come loose.

Either way, IMHO, the upgrade to either of this from the HPX will make a noticeable improvement in your game, as the level of position detail will increase dramatically. But you will lose the boom and oomph in the bass area.

When talking strictly for gaming, it is a tough choice that really depends on your financial situation and how much money you really want to throw at a new setup. I know Shin wouldn't agree with me, but another consideration vs the AD700 would be the A40s if you can get them cheap/used (under $100 would be a good price for them IMO). I find their positioning to be nearly as good as the AD700/K702s, but they have a little more bass too. The clarity is on par with the AD700, but is not nearly as good as the K702s. I like them over the AD700s personally because they are a lot more durable overall, and IMO, more comfortable as well.
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