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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
We as a whole not just me need to all request a doj investigation into "hitler in remond", give their potential violations of their antitrust agreements,

If enough angry consumers investigate this cash influx into paramont, perhaps legal matters can be taken


The name I coined earlier I came up with, and am proud to use the phrase.
post #2 of 27
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Originally Posted by bi0drain View Post

We as a whole not just me need to all request a doj investigation into "hitler in remond", give their potential violations of their antitrust agreements,

If enough angry consumers investigate this cash influx into paramont, perhaps legal matters can be taken


The name I coined earlier I came up with, and am proud to use the phrase.

Does the BDA really want an investigation? If so I am all for it. They better make sure THEIR HOUSE is in order. I think the results would be MOST intersting. I am all for accountability in business dealings. Anyone else agree? Toshiba has decided to play hardball, get used to it. Just late to the game for them I guess.
post #3 of 27
Paying for exclusivity is not illegal. What is illegal is a company that is dominant in a market tying the purchase of one product with another product.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by bi0drain View Post

We as a whole not just me need to all request a doj investigation into "hitler in remond", give their potential violations of their antitrust agreements,

If enough angry consumers investigate this cash influx into paramont, perhaps legal matters can be taken


The name I coined earlier I came up with, and am proud to use the phrase.

Redmond bonehead!
post #5 of 27
Wow, just when I though I've seen it all..............
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by eecubed View Post

Paying for exclusivity is not illegal. What is illegal is a company that is dominant in a market tying the purchase of one product with another product.


That would be Sony wouldn't it?
post #7 of 27
This is hilarious...now that Toshiba is playing by Sony's rules we need to "Investigate them?"....hahahaha suck it Sony....
post #8 of 27
I am waiting for some "honest" BD supporters to chime in with their thoughts about a DOJ investigation. This thread is a LOL.

Darin? Grubert?
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by deez View Post

This is hilarious...now that Toshiba is playing by Sony's rules we need to "Investigate them?"

Amen. Some BD supporters are really starting to sound like spoiled little kids who were used to getting everything they wanted.

I'm kinda glad Paramount bitch smacked you back down to reality.
post #10 of 27
The real crime here is Sony making customers pay thru the nose for yet again a proprietary, overpriced technology.

And having it fail...
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by LiquidX View Post

Amen. Some BD supporters are really starting to sound like spoiled little kids who were used to getting everything they wanted.

I'm kinda glad Paramount bitch smacked you back down to reality.

I agree with that, but then again, if some bully came into my sandbox kicking sand I would punch him in the face.. In this case some of you guys "Blu-Ray" haters are hitting below the belt...

MS and Sony? hmmm, I don't think there is a lesser of two evils in this case. I love Sony Video products, and I do like some of the stuff MS has been doing, but for the love of God do these compaines need to have there hand in everything? No wonder why this format war is a mess..

DOJ, would just be a waste of time, but it sure sounds fishy that even with Blu-Ray sales up for Paramount on the software front they would pull the rug! But hey that happens in business all the time...

blainehamilton: Come on you can do better than that.... If you want to bash Blu-Ray do it in the HD-DVD forum LOL ...No wonder why this place is full this late....
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by bi0drain View Post

We as a whole not just me need to all request a doj investigation into "hitler in remond", give their potential violations of their antitrust agreements,

If enough angry consumers investigate this cash influx into paramont, perhaps legal matters can be taken


The name I coined earlier I came up with, and am proud to use the phrase.

He who is without sin cast the first stone.....That eliminates blu-ray.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by bi0drain View Post

We as a whole not just me need to all request a doj investigation into "hitler in remond", give their potential violations of their antitrust agreements,

If enough angry consumers investigate this cash influx into paramont, perhaps legal matters can be taken


The name I coined earlier I came up with, and am proud to use the phrase.


Guess who is the number one suspect in an EU Antitrust investigation about hidef distribution happening right now? Com'on just take a guess.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by Reginald Trent View Post

He who is without sin cast the first stone.....That eliminates blu-ray.

Reg, I thing your comment basically eliminates everyone on the planet!! Except a few Monks in the mountains in Nepal!!! LOL
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by ckong View Post

Guess who is the number one suspect in an EU Antitrust investigation about hidef distribution happening right now? Com'on just take a guess.

Ah, that list could be quite long... Apple and iTunes/Microsoft etc... Specifically HiDef Distribution, not sure... But the AntiTrust lawsuites in the EU are all over the place... You can basically point the finger at everyone looking at there website....


sharkcohen: Yes you can just put in Shooter Blu-Ray, or pop in Raiders of the Lost Ark and upconvert it....

Ckong: Sounds like both formats could get there hand slapped.... or Studios...

http://www.pcwelt.de/it-profi/englis...ulation/86256/
post #16 of 27
Europe Steps Up Probe of New DVD Formats
Competition of Blu-ray, HD
To Secure Studios' Support
Arouses Antitrust Concerns
By MERISSA MARR and SARAH MCBRIDE
July 3, 2007; Page A7

In a move that could be key to determining the future of home cinema, European antitrust regulators are stepping up their probe into possible anticompetitive practices in the format war over high-definition DVDs.

Hollywood's studios are racing to dig up files, emails and records of telephone conversations related to the competing Blu-ray and HD DVD formats after the European Commission sent out letters last month demanding evidence of their communications and agreements on the new generation of DVD formats.

The European Commission, the European Union's executive body, appears to be particularly interested in the activities of the Blu-ray group because of its dominance in Hollywood, according to people familiar with the situation. The commission is investigating whether improper tactics were used to suppress competition and persuade the studios to back their format.

Jonathan Todd, a spokesman for the commission, confirmed that it had sent letters to the studios in mid-June trying to establish whether they have restrictive agreements to use one or the other of the standards.

Blu-ray, which is supported by Sony Corp. and partners, is in a fierce combat with the Toshiba Corp.-led HD DVD group to set the standard for the next generation of DVD. High-definition DVDs promise sharper picture quality and better sound than traditional DVDs, but they require new players. (Neither of the new formats is compatible with traditional DVD players, but traditional DVDs can be viewed on both Blu-ray and HD DVD players.)

While the HD camp has had some success in its partnership with Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 videogame consoles and by offering lower-priced machines, the Blu-ray camp has gained the upper hand in Hollywood, with more studios backing its format. Blockbuster Inc. also recently said it would exclusively stock DVDs using the Blu-ray format.

The HD DVD camp has been lobbying the commission to draw attention to Blu-ray's tactics in the movie capital in a bid to force more studios to put their product on HD DVD, according to people familiar with the situation. One issue the Commission has raised with some studios is statements made at the Consumer Electronics Show in January in Las Vegas about the exclusivity of studios to Blu-ray, according to people familiar with the situation.

Blu-ray is supported by every major studio except NBC Universal's Universal Pictures, which is backing HD DVD exclusively. Five studios are exclusive to Blu-ray: Sony Pictures Entertainment, Walt Disney Co., News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp. and MGM, which is owned by a consortium including Sony. Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures and Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros. are backing both. In its formal request to at least one studio, the commission has asked for documents related to any decision to release movies on Blu-ray exclusively and not HD DVD, as well as communications on both formats with certain individuals associated with Blu-ray.
Both new formats offer old and recent titles.

The European Commission launched a broad inquiry into the competing formats a year ago. The commission said at the time that it had sent a letter to Blu-ray and HD to request information about their licensing practices. However, the commission's recent letter to the studios signals a shift in focus to the studios and possibly Blu-ray specifically.

The battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD is expected to reach a fever pitch in the fourth quarter of this year. The run-up to the Christmas period is traditionally the most important period for DVD sales. There is a lot at stake: Whichever camp wins the battle stands to make huge profits from selling both players and DVDs.

Both camps have significantly stepped up their efforts in recent weeks. Blu-ray announced a summer promotion that gives consumers five free Blu-ray movies if they purchase a new Blu-ray player by Sept. 30. Toshiba recently announced HD DVD players would sell for as little as $299, far less than comparable Blu-ray players.

The market for next-generation DVDs of either stripe is tiny so far, though. Through June, Blu-ray had sold about 1.8 million discs, compared with 1.3 million for HD DVD, according to consultancy Adams Media Research. A top title such as Warner Bros.' "The Departed," which was out in both formats, shipped 85,000 copies in Blu-ray and 60,000 in HD DVD, compared with 7.7 million for regular DVDs.

These days, Blu-ray discs are outselling HD DVDs at a rate of about two to one, says Tom Adams, president at Adams Media. But that doesn't mean HD DVDs can't reclaim the advantage if more studios start releasing movies in both formats.

Once either format hits about two million homes, it will create a large enough incentive for any studio not releasing titles in that format to reconsider, Mr. Adams says. Currently, about 105,000 homes have Blu-ray players, and about 150,000 have HD DVD players. An additional 1.5 million homes have PlayStation 3 devices, which also play Blu-ray movies, although fewer gamers are using the machines to play movies than had been hoped for. About 160,000 consumers have bought add-on devices for Xbox machines that allow them to play HD DVDs.

The studios want a new revenue stream to compensate for slowing DVD sales. When consumers switched from the VHS tape format to DVD, it created a sales bonanza as consumers replaced their old tapes with crisper DVDs. Studios are hoping for the same sort of upgrade for new format DVDs.

But many consumers say the difference in quality between the new DVDs and the old ones isn't as impressive as the difference between VHS tapes and DVDs, prompting them to drag their feet on replacing their equipment. In addition to buying new players, consumers need expensive high-definition televisions to play the new discs.

Consumer groups have slammed the studios and the electronics companies for creating another product in which two incompatible technologies battle for supremacy in the marketplace. The situation harks back to the battle between VHS and Betamax in the 1980s. VHS tapes eventually won, but not until millions of consumers bought Betamax machines, which became obsolete.

For DVDs, the studios and electronics companies worked together to avoid a similar mess. As two competing formats for next-generation DVDs emerged, the companies involved talked about merging the formats or picking one over the other, but this time compromise proved elusive.

-- Adam Cohen contributed to this article.


Frankly, I wish the Justice Dept and FTC would come in and force total studio neutrality in this format war......
post #17 of 27
Yeah, don't forget to post the Anit-Lawsuits that are also going on with HD-DVD as well. A link would have worked.... Go post this crap in the right forum...


I can find a crapload of links that includes HD-DVD in this mess as well...

http://roomformilk.com/find/antitrust
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Yeah, don't forget to post the Anit-Lawsuits that are also going on with HD-DVD as well. A link would have worked.... Go post this crap in the right forum...


I can find a crapload of links that includes HD-DVD in this mess as well...

http://roomformilk.com/find/antitrust

Wow, woke up on the wrong side of the bed did you?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by ckong View Post

Wow, woke up on the wrong side of the bed did you?

No I just forgot to take my "Red hyjacking thread" pill again!!!
post #20 of 27
/sigh
post #21 of 27
Jesus Christ, can the quality of post started in this forum get any dumber?
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

No I just forgot to take my "Red hyjacking thread" pill again!!!

This whole thread is a joke. Like I said in my response, BD (and their supporters better hope) that they make make sure their house in order before involving the DOJ. This topic cried for a response.

I am not trolling here, just common sense to respond to this. And like others have said, when they don't have good news for BD, I own a player. If you want I can PM my serial number for my BD10.
post #23 of 27
I love it, sony have been throwing money around like it's going out of fashion, buying support. All of sudden toshiba learn to play hardball and it's now it's anticompetitive.

Last time i check bluray was the format that had a whole stack of exclusive agreements. If anything sony is the one that needs to be investigated for trying to destroy their competition by strangling content off.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by alfbinet View Post

This whole thread is a joke. Like I said in my response, BD (and their supporters better hope) that they make make sure their house in order before involving the DOJ. This topic cried for a response.

I am not trolling here, just common sense to respond to this. And like others have said, when they don't have good news for BD, I own a player. If you want I can PM my serial number for my BD10.

Well frankly both forums are a joke right now. There is so much BS being thrown around right now who knows what is true. We know what happen with Paramount, there are just a ton of people gloating over it, frankly if these keeps up the HD Optical market will end up like Laser Disc.... I mean the I hate Sony threads and Microsoft Threads I find laughable. The only thing that has been pissing me off is almost every thread posting in the Blu-Ray Forum gets hyjacked and turned down the HD-DVD path, and thats fine for now.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

frankly if these keeps up the HD Optical market will end up like Laser Disc....

You know this would be true but right now HD media has only 2.5% of the market combined.

I myself own both but would rather have VOD....
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by bi0drain View Post

We as a whole not just me need to all request a doj investigation into "hitler in remond", give their potential violations of their antitrust agreements,

If enough angry consumers investigate this cash influx into paramont, perhaps legal matters can be taken


The name I coined earlier I came up with, and am proud to use the phrase.

Godwin's law invoked in the first sentance of the first post. Funny (and sad).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
post #27 of 27
So should we sue sony for subsidizing the PS3 aka BluRay player market to the tune of 600million plus a quarter?
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