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Official Toshiba Cinema Series REGZA -LX177 Thread, PART II with updated first post

post #1 of 1735
8/24/07 at 4:24pm
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Welcome to the Official Toshiba Cinema Series REGZA - LX177 Series Thread, PART II.

Useful Links

Toshiba LX177 Calibration Thread
Toshiba LX177 Owners' Spreadsheet (PM Teepanen, wktaylor or italiano with your info to get added)
Toshiba Regza Green Push Thread
Toshiba LX177 Series Thread, PART I
Owner's Manuals: 42", 46"
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News

Oct 22, 2008: Toshiba releases firmware 3.1.69
Dec 31, 2007: Toshiba Technical Service Bulletin for select 46LX177 released.
Dec 12, 2007: Toshiba 46LX177 Review in Audioholics Magazine
Dec 7, 2007: Toshiba 46LX177 Review in Home Entertainment Magazine
Sep 24, 2007: Toshiba 52LX177 Review in Sound and Vision Magazine
Aug 29, 2007: Toshiba 52LX177 Review on CNET
Aug 24, 2007: Official thread PART II created

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Selected Specs

Sizes: 42", 46", 52", 57"
CineSpeed™ LCD 10-bit panel (1920 x 1080 pixels) 1080p24, 1080p60
ClearFrame 120Hz Anti-Blur Technology
8-ms pixel response time
PixelPure™ 3G 14-bit digital video processing
3 HDMI v1.3 inputs (Deep Color, xvYCC, Lip Sync supported)
built-in digital (ATSC), analog (NTSC) tuners and built-in QAM cable TV tuner
THNIC 2 Home Network
Fully backlit remote + swivel stand (no swivel on 52" or 57")

Full Specs on Toshiba Site

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Immediate Competetion
Sony Bravia XBR4/5, Samsung 71, Mitsubishi 144, 244, JVC 898
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post #2 of 1735
8/24/07 at 4:25pm
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Toshiba LX177 Series Frequently Asked Questions

1. Does the optical out on the LX177 pass through 5.1 surround?

Yes

2. Who makes the panels for the LX177?

Samsung/Sony (S-LCD Corporation)

3. Are there any firmware updates out for the LX177?

There is an update available on Toshiba site for version 3.1.69. First sets were on 2E, then came 30, but no one has been able to update successfuly yet online. The only way for now is to do the update via an SD card.

4. What are the known issues with the LX177?

Some owners are reporting varying degrees of "green push" with their sets, while others have none. Green push is a green hue that can be seen in shadows and flesh tones. It is most prominent in SD and most members agree that it appears to be feed dependant. For green push discussion visit this thread.

No other issues have been reported so far.

5. What are my options for connecting a PC to the LX177?

a) DVI --> HDMI. Max resolution 1920X1080
b) VGA. Max resolution 1280x1024

6. What are the dimensions of the stand?

The swivel stand for the 42" and 46" is 28.25" wide by 13" deep

7. How is the 120HZ ClearFrame implemented on the LX177?

A quote from Toshiba on this:

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A standard LCD TV typically has a frame rate of 60 frames per second, or 60Hz. To avoid possible motion blur with fast motion video, ClearFrame doubles that frame rate to 120 frames per second, or 120 Hz. While there are many possible methods for creating the additional 60 frames, ClearFrame utilizes superior Motion Vector Frame Interpolation (MVFI) technology. MVFI analyzes Frame A and Frame B and creates a new Frame A+B. By evaluating the speed and direction of multiple picture elements within the frames, this advanced system virtually eliminates motion blur without decreasing image brightness or adding flicker.


Thanks to hokienutzz, tony52, DTV TiVo Dealer, bpmurr, LeRoyK, mossie, The Baron, italiano, Garman, JDChapier, yampan, Raz`m`Chaz, valcho
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post #3 of 1735
8/24/07 at 4:25pm
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Let put together a nice FAQ, please post Q/A or PM them to me. Also anybody know a nice place that shows all the detailed specs?
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post #4 of 1735
8/24/07 at 5:30pm
Awesome- thanks Teep--
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post #5 of 1735
8/24/07 at 5:33pm
Nice job getting this started.
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post #6 of 1735
8/24/07 at 5:37pm
Teep, Fanastic job!!! Thank you. May I suggest that when there are any notable changes, you would update your #2 post. This way we who may not visit here as often as we'd like can go there to find out if for example there is a firmware update.
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post #7 of 1735
8/24/07 at 5:37pm
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Guys, what was the result of our 5:5 pull down investigation? I would like to add that to the FAQ.
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post #8 of 1735
8/24/07 at 5:50pm
I agree, good job teep.
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post #9 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:03pm
Yes lets focus on some positives I need help I find that even though there are many mores settings option then the 42LX196 I am getting more picture noise, and sometimes Dynalite creates flickering.
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post #10 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:07pm
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Yes lets focus on some positives I need help I find that even though there are many ,ores settings option then the 42LX196 I am getting more picture noise, and sometimes Dynalite creates flickering.

Dynalite flickers for all of us I think. It is the tv trying to match varying degrees of black. I finally just turned it off. I found using the Dynamic Contrast can control the blacks just fine. I set mine at medium, but then I like deeper blacks.
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post #11 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:14pm
Thanks Studdad! I have had this TV a few days, I do see too much green sometimes and pink on other channels LOL! I find I can resolve this with the tint adjustment. It was the same with the 42LX196 panel it had too much red at times ans I was able to adjust it that way. The blacks are much deeper on 177. I will try a DVD with my Oppo 981HD this weekend Im really curious to see the PQ at real 1080p!
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post #12 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by bobvan View Post

The blacks are much deeper on 177. I will try a DVD with my Oppo 981HD this weekend Im really curious to see the PQ at real 1080p!

You mean upconverted 1080p. You'll need blu-ray or HD-DVD for the real deal.
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post #13 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by Teepanen View Post

Let put together a nice FAQ, please post Q/A or PM them to me. Also anybody know a nice place that shows all the detailed specs?


Some detailed specs here, not sure if you looking for deeper specs...

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.gr...7371&category=
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post #14 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by civic16si View Post

Some detailed specs here, not sure if you looking for deeper specs...

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.gr...7371&category=

Cool, first post updated. We'll use them for now. Thanks!
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post #15 of 1735
8/24/07 at 6:51pm
FWIW

I have THINC on my LZ196 from last year, and I think it's worth noting as a cool feature to have on an LX177
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post #16 of 1735
8/24/07 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by civic16si View Post

Some detailed specs here, not sure if you looking for deeper specs...

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.gr...7371&category=

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/lcd/large.asp

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post #17 of 1735
8/24/07 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by gosawx View Post

FWIW

I have THINC on my LZ196 from last year, and I think it's worth noting as a cool feature to have on an LX177

Added to select specs section. Anybody using this? I haven't tried it since I just use my PS3 for pics/mp3s via media server functionality.
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post #18 of 1735
8/24/07 at 7:47pm
Is there any way around the VGA resolution limitation?
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post #19 of 1735
8/24/07 at 9:52pm
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Is there any way around the VGA resolution limitation?

Not yet, you only have DVI to HDMI as an option to get a full 1080P. I'm not sure what Toshiba was thinking limiting the set to 1280x1024
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post #20 of 1735
8/24/07 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by Teepanen View Post

You mean upconverted 1080p. You'll need blu-ray or HD-DVD for the real deal.

Yes LOL the 42LX196 would not accept a 1080p signal even thought it was advertised as a 1080p panel the 177 will
Last night I noticed a kind of oscillating (sound like a wheel going bad LOL) from within the panel as anybody else heard this?? Its quite noticeable
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post #21 of 1735
8/25/07 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by REQUIRED View Post

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/lcd/large.asp


I knew about this site but the canadian one confirms that it's a 10 bit panel...
either will do for the most part.
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post #22 of 1735
8/25/07 at 10:28am
Got my HD DVD player hooked up and it looks fantastic. No green!

In fact, I did a comprehensive calibration yesterday on HD and SD and both required increasing the saturation of green! Everything looks great, though I still need to do some minor tweaking and play with some of the advanced settings.

Teepanen, you can add "none" to the HD column of your spreadsheet for me. I can post my calibration settings as well, if you like. Should I do that here or in the calibration thread?
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post #23 of 1735
8/25/07 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by denti alligator View Post

Got my HD DVD player hooked up and it looks fantastic. No green!

In fact, I did a comprehensive calibration yesterday on HD and SD and both required increasing the saturation of green! Everything looks great, though I still need to do some minor tweaking and play with some of the advanced settings.

Teepanen, you can add "none" to the HD column of your spreadsheet for me. I can post my calibration settings as well, if you like. Should I do that here or in the calibration thread?

Congrats! Now you'll enjoy your set to its fullest. Post settings in the calibration thread, I'll put them in the spreadsheet after. PM me your email if you want edit rights to the spreadsheet.
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post #24 of 1735
8/25/07 at 10:41am
So is nobody else hearing this nigh pitched oscillating sound?
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post #25 of 1735
8/25/07 at 10:51am
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So is nobody else hearing this nigh pitched oscillating sound?

I don't have that problem. Set is pretty quiet.
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post #26 of 1735
8/25/07 at 10:54am
Nice job on starting the new thread Teep!
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post #27 of 1735
8/25/07 at 11:13am
Ho ho! Thats not a good sign. Im starting to think that the service center is just swapping returns. If it does turn out to be a glitch I better get my money back
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post #28 of 1735
8/25/07 at 11:20am
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Thanks all for the kind words on the new thread! I hope that our FAQ will grow with all your contributions.

I really wanna nail the 5:5 topic. Anyone remember what we concluded? A think it was a "maybe". Robert was saying that Toshiba had the best implementation of this on the market (120HZ). Also we know that Toshiba calculates and inserts frames to achieve 120HZ but was it true 5:5? Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
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post #29 of 1735
8/25/07 at 11:27am
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Ho ho! Thats not a good sign. Im starting to think that the service center is just swapping returns. If it does turn out to be a glitch I better get my money back

They better not be . Actually, there are not a lot of moving parts, if any in your tv, so I would guess something along the lines of your power supply (isn't it always the power supply ).
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post #30 of 1735
8/25/07 at 11:40am
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So is nobody else hearing this nigh pitched oscillating sound?

Had/have that problem. Its not the set, it is the grounding in your house. See if its noticeable with the AC running or the dryer. Line Conditioners and Isolation transformers help some, but the ground system isnt right.
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