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post #121 of 193
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I have not checked whether the horse stunts that were censored in the UK are missing. If anyone has a time code, I will look for that.

In the uncut version at 30'57 (in my R2 Japanese DVD) there should be four horses falling to the ground one after the other over the next 20s. On the UK PAL DVD and BD, only the first horse fell.

Josh, can you please confirm:
1. the timing of the whole film as reported from the player. Someone said it is 119'09, which is shorter than the figure from BDInfo posted above.

2. the subtitles - can they be disabled altogether?

3. the extras compared to the US BD.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I just tried it. Pressing Stop then Top Menu does not work ...

Try this ?
post #122 of 193
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

PG-13 is ruining film. It is a travesty. In ten years there will be no R rated films released.

....wat?
post #123 of 193
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Originally Posted by zinfamous View Post

....wat?

figure of speech. in a way it makes sense. movies like Max Payne (i have not seen) where the game it was based on was very violent should not be pg-13. no movie in the die hard series should be pg13.

how many summer blockbusters these days are rated R? remember back when T2 was the "biggest summer blockbuster". nowadays it would be toned down to pg13 before release.
post #124 of 193
bleh, no chinese subs = no purchase for me, regardless of whether it'd work with region 1 players.

i doubt the press stop method would work with ps3 tho, since that brings the ps3 back to the ps3 menu screen.
post #125 of 193
Max Payne was originally conceived as an R rated film, but FOX forced it into an PG-13. It was that, or no movie.

The results... Complete crap that failed to earn its budget back. Yes, it will make money after DVD, but WTF is the point of a child safe version of an adult product? No one is satisfied with that!
post #126 of 193
To be completely fair, T3: Rise of the Machines was 'R', released in early July of 2003, and $200M was spent making it. The fact that it sucked didn't mean they didn't try.
post #127 of 193
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Originally Posted by Kentai View Post

To be completely fair, T3: Rise of the Machines was 'R', released in early July of 2003, and $200M was spent making it. The fact that it sucked didn't mean they didn't try.

It was a very soft R and was rated 12a certificate uncut in UK cinemas.
post #128 of 193
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Max Payne was originally conceived as an R rated film, but FOX forced it into an PG-13. It was that, or no movie.

The results... Complete crap that failed to earn its budget back. Yes, it will make money after DVD, but WTF is the point of a child safe version of an adult product? No one is satisfied with that!

I totally agree that it was complete crap, but it'll probably earn it's budget back simply because it didn't cost that much to make..

Budget $35 mill

STILL IN RELEASE

Domestic: $39,343,495 60.2%
+ Foreign: $25,995,000 39.8%
= Worldwide: $65,338,495

It'll probably end up just short of $85 by the time it's done...
post #129 of 193
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

In the uncut version at 30'57 (in my R2 Japanese DVD) there should be four horses falling to the ground one after the other over the next 20s. On the UK PAL DVD and BD, only the first horse fell.

The first horse stunt happens at 31:14 on this copy. That may be due to different studio logos at the beginning. Yes, there are 4 horse falls, so it appears that this version is uncut.

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1. the timing of the whole film as reported from the player. Someone said it is 119'09, which is shorter than the figure from BDInfo posted above.

The run time is 1:59:30 (119:30).

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2. the subtitles - can they be disabled altogether?

Yes, you can choose no subtitles.

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3. the extras compared to the US BD.

The French disc has most of the supplements from the R1 DVD (which has more than the American Blu-ray): a 45-minute making-of (SD, in Mandarin with English subtitles), storyboard comparisons, and still galleries. It also borrows a feature called "Site Visits" from the R3 DVD, which gives some (English) text info about the settings in the movie. It does not have the audio commentary. The packaging claims to have the "Lovers" music video, but I can't find it on the disc.

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Try this ?

Well well well, the following instructions work on a BD-50, sort of.

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It appears that these Uni releases can play on a BD30 Region A (does not work on PS3. Cannot confirm it works on other standalone players). This following works with HOFD.
Steps:
1. Insert Disk
2. Movie will go to a black screen and will stay that way for 2 Minutes and then go back to the main BD Screen.
3. When it goes back to the BD Screen press 111 on the BD Remote.
4. Movie should load.

The problem is that this automatically plays the movie with the English dub (no subtitles) and the "Versions" menu doesn't function properly, so there's no way to change the audio or subtitle options. Trying to change the audio with the player doesn't work either. It's the dub or nothing.

Incidentally, the English and French dubs are both DTS-HD Mater Audio, but the original Mandarin track is DTS-HD High Resolution.

Edit: Hold on a second, I played around a little more, and I can change the audio and subtitles through the player's menus (not through the disc menus). So, after everything, the disc can work in an American Blu-ray player, but it's kind of a pain in the neck.
post #130 of 193
Great news. Thanks Josh. Now if only someone can confirm if the same applies to a region A PS3....
post #131 of 193
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Incidentally, the English and French dubs are both DTS-HD Mater Audio, but the original Mandarin track is DTS-HD High Resolution.

Thanks for the verification. Are the extras 480p or 576p? I have R1, R2 PAL and NTSC and R3 DVDs so I'm all covered for the extras in any case (I also have an extra "the Making of" DVD).

I'm aware that the original track is DTS-HD HR but the bitrate (2046kbps) is similar to the other two lossless dubs (2127 and 2169kbps). I doubt if there is much difference but surely as a matter of principle the priority is for the original track to have lossless, not the dubs.

The coverart of the French version that I've seen posted is messed up with two Andy Laus and no TK.

I'll get the French version when the price goes down; still hope for an uncut version from Edko.
post #132 of 193
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

Are the extras 480p or 576p?

They appear to be NTSC, because they work in my Panasonic player (other foreign discs with PAL extras give me audio over a black screen).

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The coverart of the French version that I've seen posted is messed up with two Andy Laus and no TK.

Ha! You're right, I didn't notice that. Too funny.
post #133 of 193
I finally got the French version when the price dropped. I can't watch the extras with the Panny BD30: black screen with audio. It says on the back the extras are 480i/p.

The main feature works in the Panny as described above but not in the region A Pioneer 51FD. After the 2 min black screen (during which you can't do anything whatsoever - info says it is 1080p/24) it goes to "resume off" (even though the disc isn't BD-J). Pressing any button causes it to start playing the black screen again.
post #134 of 193
A few comparisons, US MPEG2 on left, France VC1 on right:



post #135 of 193
looks pretty much identical.
post #136 of 193
Pretty disappointing.
post #137 of 193
The VC-1 looks slightly brighter to me.
Not enough to dump the R1 release though...
post #138 of 193
Those two versions have different colors. At least the VC-1 encode has far fewer compression artifacts.
post #139 of 193
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Not enough to dump the R1 release though...

being uncut alone is enough as reason
post #140 of 193
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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt8 View Post

being uncut alone is enough as reason

Almost, not quite though.
Given a choice, I'll take the uncut version.
IMO, the uncut version is not significantly better than the U.S. version.
post #141 of 193
Colors are brighter in the US version (very very slight)
Detail is better in Fr version. (very very slight)

To me, the Fr version wins.
post #142 of 193
The second the uncut version becomes available on a BD that is PS3 playbale, I am buying.

Hopefully the Korean market will answer my prayers on this one.
post #143 of 193
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

The second the uncut version becomes available on a BD that is PS3 playbale, I am buying.

Hopefully the Korean market will answer my prayers on this one.

or the japanese market, though that release will probably be $90 USD.
post #144 of 193
I managed to get the French BD playable on the region A1 Pioneer 51FD by searching titles. Title 039 is the film, 030 is the music video. The rest are other extras. The extras are 576i on the resolution indicator. The startup 2 min. video (1080p24) is still blank.
post #145 of 193
On principle, I'm against cutting anything, including blood spurts for rating purposes. But, in this case, I could live with it. But I *can't* live with that missing moment of dialogue near the end, the absence of which *totally* changes things.
post #146 of 193
Was there ever a good uncut release of this on BD? In fact, was there ever an HK BD release of this movie?
post #147 of 193
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Was there ever a good uncut release of this on BD? In fact, was there ever an HK BD release of this movie?
There was a new HK release in 2011, but I don't if it is a remaster....
http://www.yesasia.com/us/house-of-flying-daggers-blu-ray-english-subtitled-hong-kong-version/1024323727-0-0-0-en/info.html
post #148 of 193
No need to pay rip-off prices on YesAsia.

HKD102 here (reliable seller I've bought many times from):
http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_details.php?ProductID=11841

Note BTW that some catalogue titles in HK are now down to HKD49 (the ones for HKD60-70 on DDDHouse) or HKD69 (HKD80+ on DDDHouse) in both HMV and HK Records (no need to go hunting in MK any more wink.gif).
post #149 of 193
Is that a re-mastered un-cut version?
post #150 of 193
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

Is that a re-mastered un-cut version?

US version (ABC):

Length: 1:58:53 (h:m:s)
Size: 22.815.498.240 bytes
Total Bitrate: 25,59 Mbps

HK version (A):

Length: 1:59:19 (h:m:s)
Size: 40.267.849.728 bytes
Total Bitrate: 44,99 Mbps

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?vergleich=house_of_flying_daggers_bd1
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