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post #151 of 193
^Those comparison caps don't inspire me to buy....frown.gif
post #152 of 193
I suspect that many of the visual problems with this movie are baked into the DI and can't be corrected simply by remastering a disc. If that's the case, the movie would have to be reconstructed from the camera negative and re-edited from scratch.
post #153 of 193
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I suspect that many of the visual problems with this movie are baked into the DI and can't be corrected simply by remastering a disc. If that's the case, the movie would have to be reconstructed from the camera negative and re-edited from scratch.
Hope they get it straightened out....this movie deserves it.wink.gif
post #154 of 193
Okay, but again, is that the uncut, un-screwed with version? For around $15 shipped I will pay.

The picture quality will never be improved. That is what it looks like in the DI. It didn't look all that hot in cinemas.
post #155 of 193
The HK BD came out in 2011 and it was established then it is uncut, according to cap-a-holic and people on Blu-ray.com. Moreover, the runtime matches the HK DVD and there's no reason to suspect anything would be cut by Edko in the first place. It pays to scan other sites and for HK releases the other forum is a much richer source of info. If you're still in doubt and you can wait further I'll get it when it's cheap enough (HKD50) and I'll specifically look at those cut scenes.
post #156 of 193
OK, good info. Thank you. I am just surprised to see it is now that inexpensive.
post #157 of 193
The original HK DVD was uncut if that helps.
post #158 of 193
And I have that. Haven't watched it for years on end. I just cannot stomach DVD quality anymore.
post #159 of 193
Yea, I was just saying since they hardly will do a new transfer the BD should be uncut too.
post #160 of 193
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

OK, good info. Thank you. I am just surprised to see it is now that inexpensive.

Although the screen caps show no improvement picture wise at least it's uncut. I ordered a copy from DDDHouse.com, the Blu-ray plus shipping totaled $17.48 USD.
post #161 of 193
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Although the screen caps show no improvement picture wise at least it's uncut. I ordered a copy from DDDHouse.com, the Blu-ray plus shipping totaled $17.48 USD.
It's not much money and appears to be the better un-cut version, but without much of an AV upgrade I can't go there.

WILL the Powers-That-Be please, please give us an outstanding BD release?
post #162 of 193
I doubt it, the source material seems to be the issue.
post #163 of 193
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

I doubt it, the source material seems to be the issue.
Hope springs eternal...wink.gif
post #164 of 193
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Although the screen caps show no improvement picture wise at least it's uncut. I ordered a copy from DDDHouse.com, the Blu-ray plus shipping totaled $17.48 USD.
There is one improvement over the US version. The HK version has a slightly different aspect ratio and I think it's because the US version is slightly stretched vertically.
post #165 of 193
I ordered from DDDHouse.com. The screenshots look better/sharper to me on the import.
post #166 of 193
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

I doubt it, the source material seems to be the issue.

Interesting since it seems the theatrical release left the reviewer at UK Guardian quite impressed with the screening. So it would seem better elements exist somewhere.
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When the truth about this love is revealed, it sheds a startling, retrospective light on the movie's opening scene - which heaven knows was jaw-dropping enough in the first place. The two agents turn up individually at a house of ill-repute, the Peony Palace, to watch Mei dance: a piece of choreography turning into a thrilling fight scene between Mei and Leo that had audiences gasping and cheering both times I've watched the film. The Peony Palace itself is one of the most remarkable movie sets I've ever seen: massive in scale, attended by hundreds of supporting artists in full costume, and sumptuously and intricately designed with ostentation that goes beyond vulgarity or absurdity. I just wanted to step through the screen and wander around this incredible, dream-like place. (Has this set now been demolished? Can it not be preserved for posterity? If so, it would be a real tribute to production designer Huo Tingxiao and art director Zhong Han.)

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,,1379290,00.html
post #167 of 193
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Interesting since it seems the theatrical release left the reviewer at UK Guardian quite impressed with the screening. So it would seem better elements exist somewhere.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,,1379290,00.html
Of course there is, I'm not buying from those who say this is what the film actually looks like.

From IMDB:

Camera
Arricam ST, Cooke and Zeiss Lenses
Arriflex 435ES, Cooke and Zeiss Lenses

Laboratory
Atlab Film Laboratory Service, Sydney, Australia

Film negative format (mm/video inches)
35 mm (Kodak Vision2 500T 5218, Eastman EXR 50D 5245)

Cinematographic process
Digital Intermediate (master format)
Super 35 (source format)

Printed film format
35 mm (anamorphic)

I agree with Josh Zyber, the problem is the DI.
post #168 of 193
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Interesting since it seems the theatrical release left the reviewer at UK Guardian quite impressed with the screening. So it would seem better elements exist somewhere.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,,1379290,00.html
How do you glean that, from someone fawning over the set and costume designs?
Edited by raoul_duke - 1/13/13 at 11:28am
post #169 of 193
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

How do you glean that, from someone fawning over the set and costume designs?
Because... the only way that reviewer saw "the set and costume designs" was while watching the film. biggrin.gif
post #170 of 193
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Interesting since it seems the theatrical release left the reviewer at UK Guardian quite impressed with the screening. So it would seem better elements exist somewhere.
Of course they do, but no one's going to be re-creating some old DI (if that is indeed the problem... it's been a long time since I watched the disc and I forget what was wrong with it) That would likely involve a very healthy 6-figure sum and a lot of time and effort.
post #171 of 193
Once it has a DI, that is it. THAT is the film we see forever. No way around it.
post #172 of 193
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

How do you glean that, from someone fawning over the set and costume designs?

From that alone perhaps not, however every 2004 film review I've read (in addition to this one) mentions the gorgeous look and eye candy of the film.

Awards (Win):

Best Cinematography - Zhao Xiaoding - 2004 National Society of Film Critics
Best Cinematography - Zhao Xiaoding - 2004 Boston Society of Film Critics
Best Cinematography [Runner-up] - Zhao Xiaoding - 2004 Los Angeles Film Critics Association

Nominations:

Best Cinematography - Zhao Xiaoding - 2004 British Academy of Film and Television Arts
Best Cinematography - Zhao Xiaoding - 2004 Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

So the question remains how could things have gone so wrong with the digital mastering of this film?
post #173 of 193
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Once it has a DI, that is it. THAT is the film we see forever. No way around it.
That is assuming the home video HD transfer is actually from the DI. In the very early days of DI, they would sometimes just telecine a film-out for home video, since all those workflows were already well in place.
I remember seeing things that made me think the transfer was done that way, such as telecine wobble and black debris, which would not happen with a pin-registered scan of camera negative, which is the normal DI procedure. Then the title text looked like it was laid over that wobbly image, which seems strange if that theory is correct, but maybe there's a reason. Or maybe it was just a terrible DI, but I doubt an effects house would accept scans of that quality for visual effects work.
Edited by 42041 - 1/14/13 at 9:19am
post #174 of 193
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Once it has a DI, that is it. THAT is the film we see forever. No way around it.

I believe Roger Deakins stated on his blog that O Brother, Where Art Thou? got a new DI for the Blu-ray. Its color timing is notably different than the DVD.

So, it can be done. It's just not likely for a film like Flying Daggers, whose original studio probably doesn't care enough.
post #175 of 193
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I believe Roger Deakins stated on his blog that O Brother, Where Art Thou? got a new DI for the Blu-ray. Its color timing is notably different than the DVD.

So, it can be done. It's just not likely for a film like Flying Daggers, whose original studio probably doesn't care enough.
"O Brother" is not really a "new" DI, it's more like a remastered version of the original DI. Due to the limitations of the process back then, they never actually stored a digital master, the digitally graded output was recorded to film. The blu-ray transfer is from a new scan of that film-out, they never touched the original negatives and didn't have to re-do the original color grading from scratch.
post #176 of 193
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

Because... the only way that reviewer saw "the set and costume designs" was while watching the film. biggrin.gif
No ****, Columbo.

wink.gif
post #177 of 193
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

There was a new HK release in 2011, but I don't if it is a remaster....
http://www.yesasia.com/us/house-of-flying-daggers-blu-ray-english-subtitled-hong-kong-version/1024323727-0-0-0-en/info.html
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

No need to pay rip-off prices on YesAsia.

HKD102 here (reliable seller I've bought many times from):
http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_details.php?ProductID=11841

Note BTW that some catalogue titles in HK are now down to HKD49 (the ones for HKD60-70 on DDDHouse) or HKD69 (HKD80+ on DDDHouse) in both HMV and HK Records (no need to go hunting in MK any more wink.gif).

Thanks, guys. I just ordered it from dddhouse. smile.gif So, any word as to wether there is or will be an HK release of Hero as well? biggrin.gif
post #178 of 193
I ordered it from DDDHouse as well. Was picking up the HK disc of Jet Li's Fearless and thought it'd be cheeky not to.
post #179 of 193
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

I ordered it from DDDHouse as well. Was picking up the HK disc of Jet Li's Fearless and thought it'd be cheeky not to.

What's the HK disc of Fearless have that the US disc does not? Cos the latter actually had 3 cuts of the film, including the director's cut. Though if I recall the scene against the Thai fighter was actually longer as a deleted scene in the "unrated" US DVD.
post #180 of 193
It's the Director's Cut only, on a BD-50. File size of around 43gb, compared to the US disc's near 24gb for the Director's Cut.
The other cuts are redundant IMO and eating valuable disc space.

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/releases/jet-lis-fearless/c2cb308f-c297-445d-bdf5-d19872504fea#specs
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