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post #61 of 193
9/4/08 at 7:27pm
I watched it thrice in the theatre! I picked up both the DVD and Blu Ray versions. The Blu Ray absolutely blows away the DVD on the audio side. The audio is excellent on this. Overall, the video is also a significant improvement on the DVD. To me the Blu ray accurately reflected my theatre experience. Was it exactly the same on every frame? I have no idea! But it is the experience that counts and for me this title is a winner
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post #62 of 193
9/5/08 at 8:47am
The Region 3 DVD with full bore DTS is not blown away by the BD. It's vewry close. Not so with the region 1 DVD. That one is certainly compromised.

Should this release be a true 1080p master and no pitch (PAL) issues AND with English subtitles, I'll be all over it like sh!t on a fan.
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post #63 of 193
10/3/08 at 2:37am
Hi guys!

Here are some screenshots from the new French HoFD BRD:











(They match Xylon's screenshots here.)

And the specs:

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
LE_SECRET_DES_POIGNARDS                                         VC-1    1:59:31 24 355 602 432  30 257 939 328  27,17   18,96   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2127Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) 

DISC INFO:


Disc Size:      30 257 939 328 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00032.mpls
Size:           24 355 602 432 bytes
Length:         1:59:31 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  27,17 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00034.M2TS      24 355 602 432  1:59:31.664     0:00:00.000     1:59:31.664     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
VC-1 Video          18963 kbps      1080p / 23,976fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2127 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2127kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          2169 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2169kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)
DTS-HD Audio                    Chinese         2046 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 2046kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 16-bit / 1536kbps)


There are both French & English menus & subtitles on the disc, so I guess it might be identical to the upcoming UK release...

Cheers!
Peto
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post #64 of 193
10/3/08 at 2:42am
^^^^ Many, many thanks!!
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post #65 of 193
10/3/08 at 6:07am
I find the French version more appealing but only because it's a higher contrast image with more color saturation. Otherwise, it appears to be identical.
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post #66 of 193
10/3/08 at 6:41am
Is the French release uncut? or is it digitally altered to remove the blood like the stupid U.S. version?

Are there English subtitles?

I'll import this in a second if it's uncut with English subs.
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post #67 of 193
10/3/08 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Is the French release uncut? or is it digitally altered to remove the blood like the stupid U.S. version?

No idea! If you could point me to some "unaltered" screengrabs (from a DVD I guess), I'd do my best to locate their equivalent in the French BRD version...

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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Are there English subtitles?

Yup, I mentioned them at the end of my post...

Cheers!
Peto
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post #68 of 193
10/3/08 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by petoluk View Post

No idea! If you could point me to some "unaltered" screengrabs (from a DVD I guess), I'd do my best to locate their equivalent in the French BRD version...

I don't have screen grabs, but there's a list of the cuts here:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/15518...flying-daggers
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post #69 of 193
10/3/08 at 9:38am
peto, me thinks I am going blind.

The easiest cut to see is this one...

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1:49:20. After Mei removes the dagger from her chest, a gusher of blood has been digitally erased. Initially, we see a small amount of blood pour out (this is identical to both versions of the movie), but after the camera cuts away and cuts back to her the Chinese edit shows more blood flowing out. In the American edit we see a stain on her shirt but no further stream of blood.
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post #70 of 193
10/3/08 at 1:58pm
Oooh, an uncut release with English subtitles would totally get me to import this one.
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post #71 of 193
10/3/08 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

I find the French version more appealing but only because it's a higher contrast image with more color saturation. Otherwise, it appears to be identical.

There isn't a contrast change, Xylon took those screenshots at TV levels, instead of expanded levels like everyone does now.

The length of the US disc is 1:58:53, while this disc is 1:59:31. So it might be uncut!
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post #72 of 193
10/3/08 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

The length of the US disc is 1:58:53, while this disc is 1:59:31. So it might be uncut!

Well, the next questions would be: Is it region free?
And, if so, where's a good place to import it from?
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post #73 of 193
10/3/08 at 10:11pm
These screenshots don't inspire me.
Who can compare the PQ of the 2 versions?
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post #74 of 193
10/3/08 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

These screenshots don't inspire me.
Who can compare the PQ of the 2 versions?

You can. He provided a link to Xylon's shots from the American version. They seem to be the same frames.
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post #75 of 193
10/4/08 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

I just wonder: if there's a Korean uncut version of Kung Fu Hustle, why isn't there one for HOFD too?

As far as I know there are hardly any Korean Blu-ray releases. Even some Korean Blu-ray tiltles which are being sold in Korea are imports (e.g. Tale of Two Sisters). 75% of my DVD collection is Korean so I hope the situation will change soon and they start producing Blu-ray.
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post #76 of 193
10/5/08 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Nisei View Post

As far as I know there are hardly any Korean Blu-ray releases. Even some Korean Blu-ray tiltles which are being sold in Korea are imports (e.g. Tale of Two Sisters). 75% of my DVD collection is Korean so I hope the situation will change soon and they start producing Blu-ray.

Where is there a Tale of Two Sisters Blu-ray? I thought this title was canned when Tartan went out of business.
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post #77 of 193
10/6/08 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I don't have screen grabs, but there's a list of the cuts here:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/15518...flying-daggers

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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

The easiest cut to see is this one...

Thank you guys!

I've no Internet connection in my new flat yet , so I only saw your replies today. I'll look for the cut scenes tonight, and will get back to you tomorrow...

Cheers!
Peto
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post #78 of 193
10/6/08 at 6:27am
still somewhat lulz that both dubs are lossless, while the original language track is lossy.
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post #79 of 193
10/6/08 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by petoluk View Post

I've no Internet connection in my new flat yet , so I only saw your replies today. I'll look for the cut scenes tonight, and will get back to you tomorrow...

Cheers!
Peto

Arrgghh!!! The waiting is killing me!!!
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post #80 of 193
10/6/08 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by xradman View Post

Where is there a Tale of Two Sisters Blu-ray? I thought this title was canned when Tartan went out of business.

It was, currently there is no release available
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post #81 of 193
10/7/08 at 1:57am
OK, here goes - I'm not 100 % sure all these are the shots that were tampered with in the US release, but I did my best to locate the scenes as described in the review Josh Z linked. Note the DVD captures come from EDKO's R3 NTSC 2-disc edition (upscaled using AviSynth's Lanczos4Resize):

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BRD


Now, I'm not sure how to identify the disc's region. There's no info about it on the cover, but I was able to play the disc on my region A HTPC drive (with AnyDVD HD turned off), so I guess it might be region free...

Cheers!
Peto
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post #82 of 193
10/7/08 at 4:06am
The BRD is extremely soft but it beats the dvd although not by alot. The compression on the dvd is utterly horrible.
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post #83 of 193
10/7/08 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by petoluk View Post

OK, here goes - I'm not 100 % sure all these are the shots that were tampered with in the US release, but I did my best to locate the scenes as described in the review Josh Z linked. Note the DVD captures come from EDKO's R3 NTSC 2-disc edition (upscaled using AviSynth's Lanczos4Resize):

So, the French Blu-ray appears to be uncensored, then.

Can you just confirm that this is present?

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As Jin discovers Mei lying injured, the scene has been condensed to cut directly to Leo's attack. In the original Chinese cut of the film, Jin cradles Mei's body for 30 additional seconds, and we discover that she is still alive when she attempts to whisper in his ear. Mei's voice is inaudible, but Jin repeats aloud what he hears: "Mei. Mei! What? Turn Turn around. Look behind you." At this point he turns around to see Leo charging towards him.
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post #84 of 193
10/7/08 at 9:07am
I picked up the UK disc today.
VC-1 encoding, BD-25 disc. Full running time is 119mins 18secs.
It has a reasonable amount of detail, certainly HD material. There is a small amount of telecine wobble present.
Soundtrack is DTS-HD-HR, NOT DTS-HD-MA. All extras from the UK 2-disc DVD appear to be present and correct in MPEG-2 and encoded at 576p.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to check out The Goonies...
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post #85 of 193
10/7/08 at 9:15am
The Blu-ray is obviously better but I'm really not liking the texture on it. It doesn't look natural and looks more like noise than film grain.
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post #86 of 193
10/7/08 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

So, the French Blu-ray appears to be uncensored, then.

Can you just confirm that this is present?

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As Jin discovers Mei lying injured, the scene has been condensed to cut directly to Leo's attack. In the original Chinese cut of the film, Jin cradles Mei's body for 30 additional seconds, and we discover that she is still alive when she attempts to whisper in his ear. Mei's voice is inaudible, but Jin repeats aloud what he hears: "Mei. Mei! What? Turn… Turn around. Look behind you." At this point he turns around to see Leo charging towards him.

Well, I think it is - the 3rd shot above comes from this scene (Mei opens her eyes in that shot, so I guess we do discover she is still alive )...
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post #87 of 193
10/7/08 at 9:37am
OK, confirmed to be uncut...

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....27#post1193927

But it looks to be region B. Therefore, the question is... Will it play in a PS3? I cannot order until we know for sure.
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post #88 of 193
10/7/08 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by xradman View Post

Where is there a Tale of Two Sisters Blu-ray? I thought this title was canned when Tartan went out of business.

Yeah really, I need this and Mr Vengence and Lady Vengence
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post #89 of 193
10/7/08 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by petoluk View Post

Now, I'm not sure how to identify the disc's region. There's no info about it on the cover, but I was able to play the disc on my region A HTPC drive (with AnyDVD HD turned off), so I guess it might be region free...

Just make sure AnyDVD's region removal feature is off and trial-and-error each region setting in PowerDVD.
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post #90 of 193
10/8/08 at 1:53am
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

But it looks to be region B. Therefore, the question is... Will it play in a PS3? I cannot order until we know for sure.

If it actually is region B:

Did you buy your PS3 in Europe? If so, then it's Blu-ray region B and it will play.

Did you buy your PS3 in North America or Japan/Asia? If so, then it's Blu-ray region A and it will not play.

I don't even know if anyone in Blu-ray region C actually has a region C player. Region C is a wasteland where they put China and Russia to keep their dirty pirates away from regions A/B and anyone who lives there probably has a region A/B player and imports all of his/her titles. India is also trapped in region C but I doubt that matters much for them because their domestic film industry is so strong and most Indians probably watch domestic Bollywood films anyways.
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