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post #61 of 1560
Heise translated the article...

Denon postpones European Blu-ray premiere to 2008

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The Japanese entertainment electronics manufacturer Denon is postponing the European sales start of its first Blu-ray player DVD-3800BDCI until next year. This was confirmed by a press spokesman of the German branch office to heise online. This model is supposed to actually be the first Blu-ray player worldwide that is already based on BD profile 1.1 and therefore, among other things, masters parallel decoding of two video streams for picture-to-picture morphing functions (for example, video commentaries).

A specific date has still not been set for the release of the device on the German market. The spokesman did, however, contradict rumours saying that Denon would be releasing a combi-player for both HD disc formats following the power-shift in the struggle for the successor of the DVD format through the complete changeover of the Hollywood studios Paramount and Dreamworks to the HD-DVD faction. It is, though, not improbable that Denon will ultimately produce this type of device. The current delay is also due to reasons of a technical nature. Denon Germany could not make a prediction on when the global start for the player would be.
post #62 of 1560
Rumor = Fact - Chinese HD DVD Player

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http://www.venturer.com/news-details.aspx?id=15

August 28, 2007

Venturer HD DVD Player to Ship in Time for 2007 Holiday Sales

Venturer Electronics today announced the launch of its first HD DVD player for the North American market. Responding to strong consumer demand for high definition video playback devices, Venturer will introduce the SHD7000 that offers the superior HD movie experience as defined by the DVD Forum.

Featuring 1080i video output and an HDMI connection, the SHD7000 is designed to be compatible with the vast majority of HDTVs already in North American consumers' homes. With Ethernet connectivity to the network , the SHD7000 also allows users to access bonus features from movie studio web servers and unlock special prerecorded content on some HD DVD discs. Dolby TrueHD rounds out the high definition experience by presenting the HD DVD disc soundtrack as it was meant to be heard, virtually equal to the studio master.
In addition to its HD DVD playback capability, the SHD7000 will upconvert standard DVDs to near HD picture quality via its HDMI connection, allowing a consumer's existing library of DVDs to look better than ever. CD playback is also supported.
The SHD7000 will be distributed in North America by Venturer Electronics of Markham, Ontario, and sold through national retailers with retail prices expected to be one of the lowest among entry-level HD DVD players.
Venturer Electronics, headquartered in Markham, Ontario, offers a wide selection of value-priced, high quality consumer electronics products. Since 1988, Venturer has focused on making the latest echnologies affordable to North American consumers.
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post #63 of 1560
Just spoke with my contact at WB and she confirms that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will show a more complete version for Blu-ray (seamless branching). Look for this release to favor the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version.

All of this on the heels of Nickerson's departure from WB. I wonder what's cooking

Also she says to expect to see "Batman Begins" in November and possibly a new release (new encode/special features) on "300" on Blu-ray.

~Josh
post #64 of 1560
Venturer does business with Wal-Mart!

http://www.walmart.com/search/search...&Continue.y=11

4300 stores in the USA alone!

OBTW - Target does not carry Venturer (at least a search showed nothing)

Sam's Club carries this brand:

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/sea...ype=0&x=21&y=8
post #65 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

RUMOR: HD DVD Using The Twin & Combo Format INSTEAD of seperate SD and HD versions

Ending the HDTV DVD War -- By Joseph Whip

It has been an amazing week in the world of High Definition media (HDM) on the Internet forums starting with the Paramount/Dreamworks HD-DVD exclusivity announcement. Fanboys or both red and blu persuasions have been working overdrive spinning the announcement this way and that, proclaiming that their side would be victorious. While some of the postings on sites have been amusing, some have been downright deceitful or libelous, uncalled for and beneath us as HT enthusiasts. To calls of payoffs, the Microsoft behind it all and wanting to rule the world, to Michael Bay being a savior to then being a villain to Steven Spielberg releasing only on BD and not HD, not ever and Sony being the root of all evil. People posting claiming big news which will end the war, only to disappear when nothing happens as they said it would. Ok, nevermind! All very sad really.

An example of how things can get out of hand is the announcement that Steve Nickerson a SVP at Warner Brothers was resigning. Given claims that WB was about to make some big announcement, the fanboys were all a twitter, claiming that this meant that WB was going BD exclusive as Mr. Nickerson was pro HD to no he was pro BD and this meant HD exclusivity. In reality, no one posting had a clue who Mr. Nickerson is and whether it meant anything. Maybe he just wanted to spend more time with his family? Guys, get a life! We will find out soon enough whether it means anything at all. Most likely, it does not.

The other main issue posted on the boards is how to end the war. Swanni has even chimed in on three ways that BD can win the war. Maybe so, but at this point, it seems to me that there is only one side that can end the war quickly, and that is HD not BD. The best that BD can hope is to win a war of attrition that will last a couple more years and hope to gain such an edge on software sales to force the hands of the HD exclusive or neutral studios to give up the ghost. On the other hand, HD has the combo and dual disc hand to play, one which BD has not. The combo disc is a flipper, having HD on one side and SD on the other. The dual disc does the same but does not require flipping the disc over. Some HD owners hate the idea of combos, mostly due to the added cost, making, in the case of WB, the BD discs being $5 cheaper than the combo, which in and of itself may explain some of the sales figures of 300 in favor of BD. I like them.

However, with Paramount now HD exclusive, it is possible that Universal, Paramount and Warners can get together and abandon DVD only releases for their films and release HD/DVD combos only. They would, of course, have to price them more like DVDs and give up their
insane HDM price points. I would suggest a $19.99 msrp. The almost immediate result will be sales of millions upon millions of HD DVD discs almost overnight. What will the Nielsen rankings look like then?
Consumers could buy the discs in confidence knowing that they will always have the DVD side. With numerous discs in the house, they would be more inclined to buy an HD player to take advantage of the much better picture and sound on the other side of the disc. With HD player approaching $199 and lower soon, HD players will reach the point of impulse buys, further fueling sales of the HD discs. The combos would also be travel friendly, as they will play on portable DVD player, laptops and car players as well. Combos are impossible for BD as the DVD Forum will not permit them. I just can't imagine families buying a BD for the house and a separate DVD of the same film for travel purposes. All of this, of course, hinges on the price of the discs. It would be impossible for Fox and Disney to resist entering such a market were it to come to pass. With Fox and Disney becoming neutral, the war would be as good as over.


I acknowledge that what I am proposing would be a bold move by the studios. However, if they want to end the war and do so quickly, it is the most logical alternative.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/08...v-dvd-war.html

Lee I am all for the Combo only release strategy. Heck I have been suggesting it since last summer... now if I could only find those links. Some day this will come true and I will be hailed as a genius. It will you wait for it hahaa. Ok, so seriously, me and like 5,000 other guys thought of it, but still.

Cheers,

Richard
post #66 of 1560
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Originally Posted by ninjanki View Post

The combo/Dual disc strategy can be very strong, but it requires extra funding to the studios to work. First, because they are forced to sell using DVD release prices, which is lower than any current HD-DVD or BD new release prices. If it was only a HD-DVD disc being sold at DVD prices, they would already be making less money per disc sold that what they do now.
Second, the combo/Dual discs actually cost more to manufacture than either HD-DVD only or DVD only discs, so even less profit per unit sold. And the return rates will be bigger since the yields would be slightly worse.

In fact, I'd say that Paramount is going to try the single sku release for Transformers, and that's a good reason to understand why 150mill in incentives were required. It is not necessarily a bribe to stay HD-DVD exclusive, but it might be extra money to fund getting their biggest profile release and selling on a much more expensive medium that they normally would with a SD release.

The real bad thing about combos/Dual discs is that figuring out what is the real adoption rate of both formats will be totally impossible. Today, because of the PS3 effect, we can't use number of players sold to figure out what customers are buying on either format. Once the discs for HD-DVD get totally mixed up with the DVD release, then we will have no means to figure out how many users understand or know that the heck is a HD-DVD, if it is any different from other DVDs they own, nor if it will ever be played on a HD-DVD deck. So both players sold and discs sold will mean absolutely nothing(sure, marketing departments for HD-DVD will have a blast saying HD-DVD is outselling BD 10:1...)

And before any HD-DVD fan comes saying I am a BD fanboy, let me just remind them of their often used argument that most of the PS3 sold are not used to play BDs, and at least 50% of those consumers don't even knew it had such capacity.(which kinda proves Sony's point that you can sell a $600 video game...)

Allan

Hahaa after all the nonsense on the prediction threads and the tweaking of numbers and time scales I am more than happy to stand up and proudly say after a transformers HD DVD/SD-DVD combo release that:

HD DVD now officially has a 500 to 1 attach rate. Show me a link proving otherwise. No no, I did by 500 copies of Transformers for my HD DVD player. Those suckers could get lost or stolen. You can't take chances.

Cheers,

Richard
post #67 of 1560
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Originally Posted by beatboy77 View Post

Just spoke with my contact at WB and she confirms that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will show a more complete version for Blu-ray (seamless branching). Look for this release to favor the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version.

All of this on the heels of Nickerson's departure from WB. I wonder what's cooking

Also she says to expect to see "Batman Begins" in November and possibly a new release (new encode/special features) on "300" on Blu-ray.

~Josh

Thanks for the info. Was there any date given for the possible new release of '300?'
post #68 of 1560
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Originally Posted by tauheel05 View Post

Thanks for the info. Was there any date given for the possible new release of '300?'

None as of yet.

~Josh
post #69 of 1560
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Originally Posted by RROSEN View Post

Lee I am all for the Combo only release strategy. Heck I have been suggesting it since last summer... now if I could only find those links. Some day this will come true and I will be hailed as a genius. It will you wait for it hahaa. Ok, so seriously, me and like 5,000 other guys thought of it, but still.

Cheers,

Richard

It is not out of the realm of possibility that instead of a "payoff" it was underwriting a deal to do just this on the part of the HD camp the got the studio's to switch along with actually showing the upcomming ultra low cost HD dvd players. REMEMBER all along the strategy on the HD DVD camp has been, HD is a FEATURE, a natural progression in features of DVD players.
post #70 of 1560
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Originally Posted by beatboy77 View Post

Just spoke with my contact at WB and she confirms that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will show a more complete version for Blu-ray (seamless branching). Look for this release to favor the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version.

All of this on the heels of Nickerson's departure from WB. I wonder what's cooking

Also she says to expect to see "Batman Begins" in November and possibly a new release (new encode/special features) on "300" on Blu-ray.

~Josh

Did they mention if the Blu BB version will be a stripped down version with no IME type track since there will be no BD Profile 1.1 players available by then that can display the secondary stream, or will they push it back again till such a feature is available on Blu players?
post #71 of 1560
RUMOR: (I guess?? lol)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, on HD DVD only, as posted on USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...oad-side_N.htm

Could be a misprint, or slipped information before the actual announcement, one thing to keep in mind, if true, it wouldnt be the first Warner title to skip BD release.
post #72 of 1560
Now that the Venturer/Alco SHD7000 has been confirmed, any rumor on the other two rumored HD DVD chinese players?

Shinco HD-A100

unnamed Fuh Yuan Player
post #73 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Tobi54 View Post

RUMOR: (I guess?? lol)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, on HD DVD only, as posted on USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...oad-side_N.htm

Could be a misprint, or slipped information before the actual announcement, one thing to keep in mind, if true, it wouldnt be the first Warner title to skip BD release.

Given Blood Diamond and 300: misprint.
post #74 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Tobi54 View Post

RUMOR: (I guess?? lol)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, on HD DVD only, as posted on USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...oad-side_N.htm

Could be a misprint, or slipped information before the actual announcement, one thing to keep in mind, if true, it wouldnt be the first Warner title to skip BD release.

interesting for sure. They have other Warner titles for both so it could be a real possibility if they are going for the Matrix theory.

Boy would that suck pretty hard for BD, thats for sure.

EDIT: Granted the only REAL info we have from http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6461120 states its coming to both.

Does anyone know if Matrix or BB or any other titles were announced on BD to only be cancelled in the future?
post #75 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Steverhcp02 View Post

interesting for sure. They have other Warner titles for both so it could be a real possibility if they are going for the Matrix theory.

Boy would that suck pretty hard for BD, thats for sure.

EDIT: Granted the only REAL info we have from http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6461120 states its coming to both.

Does anyone know if Matrix or BB or any other titles were announced on BD to only be cancelled in the future?

There are 21 exclusive HD DVD WB releases. There were 22 but Polar Express was announced. You would have to go back somehow and look at the announcement on each of the 21 films to see was it originally announced for both.

Lot of work but might be interesting if someone was willing to do it. Could be informative.
post #76 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Steverhcp02 View Post

snip......

Does anyone know if Matrix or BB or any other titles were announced on BD to only be cancelled in the future?

According to Highdefdigest, there are still no release dates available for Matrix and Batman Begins. I expect Warner would want to see BD 1.1 players with PiP shipping before releasing these.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
post #77 of 1560
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Originally Posted by beatboy77 View Post

Just spoke with my contact at WB and she confirms that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will show a more complete version for Blu-ray (seamless branching). Look for this release to favor the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version.

All of this on the heels of Nickerson's departure from WB. I wonder what's cooking

Also she says to expect to see "Batman Begins" in November and possibly a new release (new encode/special features) on "300" on Blu-ray.

~Josh

Penton man says not so fast!

Quote from Bluray.com in the insiders thread

"Well I don’t think it’s accurate to say that release “favors the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version”, I think it would be more accurate to say that the Blu-ray version shows its technological superiority and implementation thereof compared to HD DVD......when the playing field is level."

However, nice try Beat.
post #78 of 1560
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Originally Posted by 2Channel View Post

According to Highdefdigest, there are still no release dates available for Matrix and Batman Begins. I expect Warner would want to see BD 1.1 players with PiP shipping before releasing these.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

right, but i mean was it ever announce dlike..."Warner will bring BB to HD DVD and BD sometime this fall" you know, like in a press release just a blanket statement as the HP one i quoted. Because if we can find a history of announced WB titles going incognito come release of HD DVD perhaps there is more to the usatoday article.

I havent found anything yet, so it appears to be a typo.
post #79 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Steverhcp02 View Post

right, but i mean was it ever announce dlike..."Warner will bring BB to HD DVD and BD sometime this fall" you know, like in a press release just a blanket statement as the HP one i quoted. Because if we can find a history of announced WB titles going incognito come release of HD DVD perhaps there is more to the usatoday article.

I havent found anything yet, so it appears to be a typo.

To the best of my knowledge they've said they intend to release them but they haven't specified any time frame at all. Of course even if they did specify a precise date, there's no real commitment there. Look at the folks who pre-ordered Blades of Glory on BD. If Warner makes a change in policy, I expect it to be just as sudden and without hint as the Paramount move.
post #80 of 1560
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Originally Posted by beatboy77 View Post

Just spoke with my contact at WB and she confirms that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will show a more complete version for Blu-ray (seamless branching). Look for this release to favor the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version.

All of this on the heels of Nickerson's departure from WB. I wonder what's cooking

Also she says to expect to see "Batman Begins" in November and possibly a new release (new encode/special features) on "300" on Blu-ray.

~Josh

Wow, I really doubt that "Return to House on Haunted Hill" will feature seamless branching as it is a title where the movie has to pause and then prompt for the watcher to make a selection as to which direction to proceed. Unless of course it can read movie watchers minds and automatically know what you want to see and then implement that. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see how this is possible.
post #81 of 1560
Excellent point!!! It must be part of the BD 1.1 esp spec!
post #82 of 1560
According to this report from The Register, Pinewood Studios in England have spent two months restoring the original print of "The Dam Busters" and it will enjoy a run in UK theatres. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08...ters_restored/

And WHO has the distribution rights? - Studio Canal ! An almost certainty for an HD DVD release, if you ask me.

And guess who is doing the remake, which he promises will be "as authentic as possible and as close to the spirit of the original as possible"? - you guessed it - Peter Jackson.

HD DVD - Lookin' good, baby!
post #83 of 1560
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

According to this report from The Register, Pinewood Studios in England have spent two months restoring the original print of "The Dam Busters" and it will enjoy a run in UK theatres. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08...ters_restored/

And WHO has the distribution rights? - Studio Canal ! An almost certainty for an HD DVD release, if you ask me.

And guess who is doing the remake, which he promises will be "as authentic as possible and as close to the spirit of the original as possible"? - you guessed it - Peter Jackson.

HD DVD - Lookin' good, baby!

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of my all time favs, this is awsome news
post #84 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Tobi54 View Post

RUMOR: (I guess?? lol)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, on HD DVD only, as posted on USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...oad-side_N.htm

Could be a misprint, or slipped information before the actual announcement, one thing to keep in mind, if true, it wouldnt be the first Warner title to skip BD release.

Good find!

I read the piece and didn't notice this!
post #85 of 1560
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Originally Posted by rover2002 View Post

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of my all time favs, this is awsome news

I love it, too!

But I cringe at Richard Todd's dog's name!
post #86 of 1560
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Originally Posted by Urza View Post

Penton man says not so fast!

Quote from Bluray.com in the insiders thread

"Well I don't think it's accurate to say that release favors the Blu-ray version vs. the HD-DVD version, I think it would be more accurate to say that the Blu-ray version shows its technological superiority and implementation thereof compared to HD DVD......when the playing field is level."

However, nice try Beat.

So DVD can support seemless branching, but HD DVD can't?
post #87 of 1560
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Originally Posted by 2Channel View Post

According to Highdefdigest, there are still no release dates available for Matrix and Batman Begins. I expect Warner would want to see BD 1.1 players with PiP shipping before releasing these.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

The Matrix will be waiting for 1.1 players.

Batman Begins is coming out in Q4 with or without IME.
post #88 of 1560
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Originally Posted by 2Channel View Post

To the best of my knowledge they've said they intend to release them but they haven't specified any time frame at all. Of course even if they did specify a precise date, there's no real commitment there. Look at the folks who pre-ordered Blades of Glory on BD. If Warner makes a change in policy, I expect it to be just as sudden and without hint as the Paramount move.

correct, but its different since the article shows many other WB titles being release don both...just harry potter on HD DVD. Thats why we assume it to be a typo. However if we can see if WB has a history of announcing titles on BOTH formats to only release on HD VD it could shed some light. Like if they announced Matrix on BD and HD DVD coming this spring........but they obviously only released the HD DVD version......then we would have some precedence, otherwise it would be safe to assume a typo base don the context of the article
post #89 of 1560
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Originally Posted by RROSEN View Post

Lee I am all for the Combo only release strategy. Heck I have been suggesting it since last summer... now if I could only find those links. Some day this will come true and I will be hailed as a genius. It will you wait for it hahaa. Ok, so seriously, me and like 5,000 other guys thought of it, but still.

I found this comment on the Insiders Thread from the other day interesting. Amir suggests the notion of going all combo after HD DVD reaches about 20% the market size of DVD.

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I have always said that climbing to 20% is easy. Going beyond, is tough. For that, I am hoping combo/twin discs do the trick. Get to 20%, and then switch over to HD DVD combo/twins for normal DVD distribution. Soon after, consumer has the library and would just have to invest $99 to buy an HD DVD. Problem solved.

Well, maybe it is not that simple. But we at least have a plan .
post #90 of 1560
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Originally Posted by zombi3 View Post

So DVD can support seemless branching, but HD DVD can't?

My understanding is the HD DVD can support seamless branching but bandwidth considerations must be made at the point of the seamless branch to be able to accomodate such a switch. i.e. the video bitrate needs to be on the low end where the seemless branch is occuring to accomodate all possible branches while keeping the data buffered ahead of time to give you the seamless experience. This is one area where Blu-Ray does benefit from higher bandwidth capacity. If the TL51 discs do become a reality, it is rumored that Toshiba will increase the bandwidth when/if they are introduced.
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