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post #31 of 69
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post

WARNING: Steamboy does not have English subs or an English Dub. I found out the hard way!

The UK release will.
post #32 of 69
I can confirm that Steamboy has not English track.

Only Japanese PCM track, and Japonese subtitles.

Ghost in the Shell (the 1, Bandai) has Japanese PCM track 5.1 and English PCM 2 chanels, with English and Japanese subtitles.
post #33 of 69
Nah Ferd, the Japanese PCM on GitS really is only 2 channel, at 1.5Mbps. English isn't PCM, it's DD 2.0 at 640kbps. Just so people don't get their hopes up.
post #34 of 69
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Originally Posted by Liersi View Post

The Japanese PCM on GitS really is only 2 channel, at 1.5Mbps. English isn't PCM, it's DD 2.0 at 640kbps. Just so people don't get their hopes up.

No DD TrueHD 5.1 or even DD 5.1?! What a total disappointment! And what a complete missed opportunity.
Well, I guess that just saved me $100! But I would gladly have paid it had the BD been properly restored and remastered, in both audio and video. Oh well, maybe next time. At least it looks like Bandai got WoH right.
post #35 of 69
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Based on a couple early fan reviews, it looks like the GitS BD might even be windowboxed!!!
If this is true then....wow....just wow.
post #36 of 69
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Originally Posted by dicey View Post

Based on a couple early fan reviews, it looks like the GitS BD might even be windowboxed!!!
If this is true then....wow....just wow.

Where did you see this?
post #37 of 69
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Fourth post from the bottom of the first page.

http://animeondvd.com/forum/showtopi...id/23694/tp/1/
post #38 of 69
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Originally Posted by Liersi View Post

Oh, it's framed at 185 and slightly windowboxed like WoH.

Info's been here all the time. Also a couple of bits in here on the sound. Bottom line there: 2-channel is the original mix, there were apparently 5.1 upmixes done for a DVD release. Those aren't included. So no crippled soundtrack or anything, just no upmix. Soundtrack is the best I've ever heard it sound in fact.

EDIT: the video part is much more interesting really. I checked the linked thread on AODVD and the guy's talking about the softness and noise as well. The windowboxing is also complete nonsense.
post #39 of 69
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Liersi,

Thanks for all of your comments on this thread. You have been very helpful. But just to clarify, my understanding of the term 'windowbox' means that the image has black bars on all sides. It seems what you are describing is a very slight letterboxing of the image to maintain the OAR of 1:85, which is very common. This is a huge relief, because had it actually been windowboxed, it would have been completely inexcusable for an HD release.

I still have a question reguarding P2. Is its English dub the one from the first Manga DVD or the one from the recently remastered BANDAI release? I know its seeems obvious that BANDAI would use there own newer dub, but you just never know. I'm actually hoping its the Manga dub because I think the actors were much better then actors that were used for the newer one. Thanks.
post #40 of 69
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Originally Posted by dicey View Post

Liersi,
I still have a question reguarding P2. Is its English dub the one from the first Manga DVD or the one from the recently remastered BANDAI release? I know its seeems obvious that BANDAI would use there own newer dub, but you just never know. I'm actually hoping its the Manga dub because I think the actors were much better then actors that were used for the newer one. Thanks.

If it's like the original Patlabor, the dub will be the English language track done by Elastic Media for Bandai Visual USA's 2006 release . (Too bad, because I agree with you, I like the old one better. It what I 'grew up' on. ^_^)
post #41 of 69
/resurrect

dicey, my apologies for not seeing your last response back in September. To clear this up in retrospect: my definition of windowboxing is the same as yours, bars on all four sides. Which is also what brings me here again, on the occasion of Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door. You guessed it: windowboxed. So were Patlabor 3, Jin-Roh and Spriggan. At this point it's easier to list the titles that aren't windowboxed (P1, P2, I think Avalon wasn't).

The softness in the lettering of the credits in KOHD surprised me. Can't say I saw much of it in the film though. Anyway, it's well beyond DVD again but nothing newly minted from the restored 16k masters of our wet dreams. The TrueHD rocked my world, man is the world of Bebop ever enhanced by better sound. Also, thanks for waking up partially, Bandai, and dropping the bloody SD version that you made us PAY FOR.

If anyone has questions regarding any of these releases, post 'em.
post #42 of 69
Watched Escaflowne a few nights ago and it's a very good disc from what I can see. Only very minor windowboxing, good clarity and sharpness compared to the other BV anime releases. Bombastic sound in TrueHD, clear and very dynamic. Significant upgrade in every way. The catch? No subs. Mean eh?
post #43 of 69
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Originally Posted by Liersi View Post

Watched Escaflowne a few nights ago and it's a very good disc from what I can see. Only very minor windowboxing, good clarity and sharpness compared to the other BV anime releases. Bombastic sound in TrueHD, clear and very dynamic. Significant upgrade in every way. The catch? No subs. Mean eh?

Buh
I would love to buy the Escaflowne Movie... and Cowboy Bebop and Memories.. i love these three. So cruel that they don't have subs
Perfect Blue will be also released soon on BD in Japan...again no subs.
post #44 of 69
Man, releasing Anime without subs for the original Japanese is an insult to true Anime fans. I would really love to build my Anime collection on Blu-Ray but I'm not going to waste money on dubbed versions even if the PQ is significantly better.
post #45 of 69
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Originally Posted by Starlord View Post

Man, releasing Anime without subs for the original Japanese is an insult to true Anime fans. I would really love to build my Anime collection on Blu-Ray but I'm not going to waste money on dubbed versions even if the PQ is significantly better.

Who says they are releasing dubbed versions?
post #46 of 69
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Originally Posted by GamerGuyX View Post

Who says they are releasing dubbed versions?

I was referring to the previous posts. Perhaps I read them wrong and what was actually meant was that the original Japanese language audio is available -- they just haven't released versions with English subs yet? I read that to mean they've released dubbed versions but not subbed.
post #47 of 69
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Originally Posted by Starlord View Post

I was referring to the previous posts. Perhaps I read them wrong and what was actually meant was that the original Japanese language audio is available -- they just haven't released versions with English subs yet? I read that to mean they've released dubbed versions but not subbed.

Yes, the problem is that Bandai Visual is not offering any English subs for their Japanese Blu-ray releases. They are extremely good with domestic releases. They offer the option of both the original Japanese language track with English subs and *shiver* English dubs for those that like it.
post #48 of 69
I've seen the GitS movie Japanese Blu-ray release and I thought it looked phenomenal for what it is. Nobody seems to remember, especially now that GitS has become a gigantic media megafranchise, that the original film was a low budget production and therefore the original film source will never look great, especially compared to the digitally high-def painted TV series and the $20 million sequel Innocence. It was never even actually made in 5.1, so having the Japanese PCM track being 2.0 means that is the original audio track which was originally used for the theatrical release.
post #49 of 69
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

Nobody seems to remember, especially now that GitS has become a gigantic media megafranchise, that the original film was a low budget production

The original GitS was not 'low budget' in any way an was one of the first anime films to use CG effects.
post #50 of 69
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Originally Posted by GamerGuyX View Post

Yes, the problem is that Bandai Visual is not offering any English subs for their Japanese Blu-ray releases. They are extremely good with domestic releases. They offer the option of both the original Japanese language track with English subs and *shiver* English dubs for those that like it.

What use would English subs be for a Japanese release of an anime, since the Japanese can understand the spoken Japanese dialogue anyways?
post #51 of 69
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

What use would English subs be for a Japanese release of an anime, since the Japanese can understand the spoken Japanese dialogue anyways?

Well seeing as how Japan is in the same region as the English speaking North America.

Also, you are mistaken if you think movies feature subs for only one language. That would be the exception if anything.
post #52 of 69
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Originally Posted by GamerGuyX View Post

Well seeing as how Japan is in the same region as the English speaking North America.

You are incorrectly assuming the anime studios in Japan have any interest whatsoever in export sales of their domestic releases.

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Also, you are mistaken if you think movies feature subs for only one language. That would be the exception if anything.

Unfortunately subtitling and dubbing of animes for American English release are typically done by the licensing distributor in North America. The Japanese distributor and studio do not have the rights to that work and they certainly have no interest in paying licensing fees to get those rights since the Japanese speak and read Japanese just fine.
post #53 of 69
In more general terms, you're of course right Faceless Rebel. Why lack of English subs gets a mention in this particular thread is probably because all of the initial Japanese releases had them. That changed people's expectations.

Agreed about GitS, it gets panned a bit too universally. Not sure if it was this or the other thread, but we did get into a debate about the sound in particular and the info you provide didn't go unmentioned (original theatrical sound). Bottom line: nothing wrong with the 2-channel track, it's original; but there was no reason not to also include remixes that exist from previous DVD editions for those who prefer them. Like with the subs, it was something people expected from previous experience, not something inherently wrong with the release.
post #54 of 69
I'm quite surprised by how many anime fans there are on this board, particularly those of the "purist" type (ones who hate English dubs).
post #55 of 69
Film buffs always prefer the original language over a dub when watching foreign films, so it's only natural this would apply to our tastes in anime as well.
post #56 of 69
What he said ^^. I'm not even that big into anime series, mainly because there's so much out there and it's hard to filter even for general purpose enthusiasts. What I love I love with a passion, but I'd never qualify as an anime purist. It's just personal preference without any agenda.
post #57 of 69
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Originally Posted by jd213 View Post

Film buffs always prefer the original language over a dub when watching foreign films, so it's only natural this would apply to our tastes in anime as well.

Yep, it has nothing to do with anime. I prefer all foreign films in their original languages.
post #58 of 69
deja vu all over again.

Recently I bought two Gundam BD copies - Char's Counter Attack and F-91, I was surprised to found out that LPCM 2.0@1.5mbps soundtrack is the ONLY soundtrack for both discs.
post #59 of 69
I was once really really really big into Anime, I own well over 400 anime DVDs, but I just cannot get into the new stuff much anymore, it all seems so stupid. Only new series I really like is Nuarto, and it took me a while to like it. If and when the older stuff like Vampire hunter D, Record of Lodoss, Akira, Slayers, Tenchi, Miyazaki stuff, Macross,etc is released on BD I am there, the newer stuff, not so much.
post #60 of 69
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Originally Posted by TuenMuner View Post

deja vu all over again.

Recently I bought two Gundam BD copies - Char's Counter Attack and F-91, I was surprised to found out that LPCM 2.0@1.5mbps soundtrack is the ONLY soundtrack for both discs.

Not a Gundam man here, but aren't those the older theatrical features? If so it would be par for the course as the original track will not have been 5.1. Have there been professional remixes of these films that should have been included?
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