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post #61 of 235
i plan on going this route either this weekend or some time this week. I was going to try out s-i-l-v-e-r, but i figured i'd try out the easier solution first to see if it will suffice. I'll be doing a 2x pearl topcoat since i'm in a small room and i'm not too worried about the viewing cone as all my seating is directly in front of the screen. i'll try to take screen shots of the picture first on the white doable board, the easyflex base coat, then 2x pearl top coat.

tiddler, how many base coats do you recommend i apply? top coats? thanks in advance.
post #62 of 235
has anyone tried spraying it on ???

I wonder if I can use my automotive spray gun for this...
post #63 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

i plan on going this route either this weekend or some time this week. I was going to try out s-i-l-v-e-r, but i figured i'd try out the easier solution first to see if it will suffice. I'll be doing a 2x pearl topcoat since i'm in a small room and i'm not too worried about the viewing cone as all my seating is directly in front of the screen. i'll try to take screen shots of the picture first on the white doable board, the easyflex base coat, then 2x pearl top coat.

tiddler, how many base coats do you recommend i apply? top coats? thanks in advance.

Be sure to project onto the finished and dried basecoats before you apply the topcoats to see what you have. You may not need any topcoat or just one topcoat layer instead of two.

I learned this the hard way and had to paint a new basecoat, which turned out to be all I needed.
post #64 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

i plan on going this route either this weekend or some time this week. I was going to try out s-i-l-v-e-r, but i figured i'd try out the easier solution first to see if it will suffice. I'll be doing a 2x pearl topcoat since i'm in a small room and i'm not too worried about the viewing cone as all my seating is directly in front of the screen. i'll try to take screen shots of the picture first on the white doable board, the easyflex base coat, then 2x pearl top coat.

tiddler, how many base coats do you recommend i apply? top coats? thanks in advance.

I no longer recommend using pearl clear coats.
post #65 of 235
the base coat you recommended with my viewing environment was the easyflex 05 with UPW4850. For some reason the JoAnn's i went to carried all the folkart paints except for the pearlizing medium. I could check the michael's that is about 20 miles away from my workplace for the pearlizing medium. Would you say that the performance gain over the metallic pearl is worth the trouble?
post #66 of 235
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Originally Posted by reconlabtech View Post

Be sure to project onto the finished and dried basecoats before you apply the topcoats to see what you have. You may not need any topcoat or just one topcoat layer instead of two.

I learned this the hard way and had to paint a new base coat, which turned out to be all I needed.

This is good advice. I tend to think of this as a weekend project. Friday night you tape off the screen area and prime if necessary. Saturday you apply two coats of the base paint and let it dry. Saturday night you watch a movie or two on just the base coat. If it looks good then it may be worth while to live with it for a bit before doing any more. If you are sure you want to go ahead with a clear coat then Sunday morning you apply your two clear coats. Sunday Evening you watch some more movies.

Don't put up the border until you are sure it's right.

I really like the new Behr UPTRA UPW #4850 over the Flat Latex #1050. You don't need a separate primer, and if you decide to stick with the matte gray finish then it is much more durable and washable. In addition it levels out to a smoother finish and for those painting any kind of flexible substrate it is more flexible. As an exterior paint I would also suspect it is more resistant to UV damage.

The Flat Enamel #1850 has a slightly higher sheen but it is still a matte finish. It is not self priming but for those with no interest in clear coats it has slightly more gain and is meant to be very durable and washable. Of the three it is probably the best one-can choice.

There is one situation where the Flat UPW #1050 really out performs the others. A rough surface. I suspect that given a cement block wall with reasonable grout fillets, you could apply four coats of UPW #1050 and project an image on it and not see the blocks. So for those who need to project onto the basement wall of your local church from time to time keep that in mind. You might just save your church a few bucks some day.
post #67 of 235
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Originally Posted by illnastyimpreza View Post

has anyone tried spraying it on ???

I wonder if I can use my automotive spray gun for this...

I believe mech has sprayed some of the UPW #1050 and possibly the Behr poly. Benven has also sprayed these type of paints. Maybe they will see this and comment or you could send them a pm.
post #68 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

the base coat you recommended with my viewing environment was the easyflex 05 with UPW4850. For some reason the JoAnn's i went to carried all the folkart paints except for the pearlizing medium. I could check the michael's that is about 20 miles away from my workplace for the pearlizing medium. Would you say that the performance gain over the metallic pearl is worth the trouble?

Have you already had the EF05 mixed in the UPW4850?
post #69 of 235
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Have you already had the EF05 mixed in the UPW4850?

yes, i purchased the matte poly and upw4850 ef05 this weekend. was that not a good idea?
post #70 of 235
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yes, i purchased the matte poly and upw4850 ef05 this weekend. was that not a good idea?

I think so but others are suggesting the Folkart Metallic White Pearl has a yellow tinge to it. Then others have identified that the EF tints have a slight green tinge to them. If I were to take them at their word because I no longer have anyway of knowing for sure, then I would suggest a tint for the base that has less yellow oxide in it to offset the yellow of the folkart metallic white pearl. You could still do that by returning to the store and having the EF05 modified as follows:

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Quart Custom Modification
0 1 0 Lamp Black
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Gallon Custom Modification
0 4 0 Lamp Black
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This will make the base less yellow and that will offset the yellow of the poly and pearl. My own screen is actually this tint with a poly top coat. I like it and maybe you will too.
post #71 of 235
has anyone else had trouble finding 3/16 white nap roller? i can't seem to find it at my local HDs. The lowest number i can find is 3/8.
post #72 of 235
Lowes carries them. (the 3/16ths's rollers) My Sherwin Williams only went down to a quarter inch... I haven't been to home depot.
post #73 of 235
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I also had to go to a local specialty paint store to get low nap rollers. My local Home Depot did not carry anything less than the 10mm in the white lint free synthetic rollers.
post #74 of 235
Thanks. i'll check lowes.
post #75 of 235
lowes is where i got mine too.
post #76 of 235
well i just finished my first layer of easyflex 5 with #4850 about an hour ago. I'm looking it over now and i see tiny spots of white on my screen. I suspect they're from bubbles? Tiddler, what am i doing wrong to cause these bubbles? Will one more layer of the base suffice, or should i go for a third? Will i have to start from scratch?
post #77 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

well i just finished my first layer of easyflex 5 with #4850 about an hour ago. I'm looking it over now and i see tiny spots of white on my screen. I suspect they're from bubbles? Tiddler, what am i doing wrong to cause these bubbles? Will one more layer of the base suffice, or should i go for a third? Will i have to start from scratch?

What color is under the EasyFlex paint?

When you roll paint it goes on with a texture that has hills and valleys. When covering a white with a gray the paint in the valleys is usually thin enough that you can see through it. That would cause it to look like there are white spots. Usually after two or three coats the new paint film is thick enough to obscure the color underneath.

It is possible that you did not work the roller well enough before you started but then the bubbles would be at the end of the screen you started at. By the time you got to the other end the bubbles would probably have been worked out.

I would apply at least two if not three coats of the #4850 to ensure good coverage.
post #78 of 235
I just finished up the 2nd coat of paint on my DIY screen...(it dried overnight)
I ended up spraying it on with my Automotive paint gun, it worked GREAT !

I went with the:
Quart Custom Tint
Behr ULTRA UPW #4850
0 5 0 Lamp Black
0 2 0 Yellow Oxide

I'm going back to the depot right now to get another quart... you can see the light areas at the bottom...


I did NOT realize it had SO many fibers in it...
I believe that had I used a roller it might have flattened them down alot more...
the spray gun would work better on a more perfect surface...

post #79 of 235
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Originally Posted by tiddler View Post

What color is under the EasyFlex paint?

When you roll paint it goes on with a texture that has hills and valleys. When covering a white with a gray the paint in the valleys is usually thin enough that you can see through it. That would cause it to look like there are white spots. Usually after two or three coats the new paint film is thick enough to obscure the color underneath.

It is possible that you did not work the roller well enough before you started but then the bubbles would be at the end of the screen you started at. By the time you got to the other end the bubbles would probably have been worked out.

I would apply at least two if not three coats of the #4850 to ensure good coverage.

I painted directly over the white doable board. It's definitely not that the paint is thin enough to expose the color of the board. The majority of the board seems to have a thick enough layer not to show the surface color of the doable. I'm actually sure it's bubbles that are causing the missing spots. I painted from right to left, and i noticed that the bubbles are concentrated more towards the left and center side of the board.

Am i not applying enough pressure when rolling the excess paint off on the pan? Am i not applying enough pressure on the board? I try to apply as little pressure as possible and let the rolling do the job.

I think maybe i should have gone with a darker easyflex as the black levels and shadow detail seem quite poor as of now. Hopefully it will be darker as i add another layer or two.
post #80 of 235
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Originally Posted by illnastyimpreza View Post

I just finished up the 2nd coat of paint on my DIY screen...(it dried overnight)
I ended up spraying it on with my Automotive paint gun, it worked GREAT !

I went with the:
Quart Custom Tint
Behr ULTRA UPW #4850
0 5 0 Lamp Black
0 2 0 Yellow Oxide

I'm going back to the depot right now to get another quart... you can see the light areas at the bottom...

I did NOT realize it had SO many fibers in it...
I believe that had I used a roller it might have flattened them down alot more...
the spray gun would work better on a more perfect surface...

i actually don't see the lighter parts on the bottom. looks like pretty even coverage to me. What kind of board is that? Is there a lot of dust and dirt painted onto the board or is that just the texture of the board?

i see you painted the screen almost 3 years ago. Posting it a bit late are we?
post #81 of 235
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percept,

I'm wondering if you are putting too little paint on the roller. I found that a 3/16" roller with just enough paint on it that it would not drip off was about right to roll a 4' high strip. You should not be rolling very much excess paint off the roller if any at all.

How much paint did you buy? Quart or Gallon?

Here is a closeup of some rolled paint:



This is after two or three coats with a 6mm nap roller.
post #82 of 235
that's the texture i'm getting. I just followed your video for loading the paint on the roller. You seemed to grab some paint from the ditch, and roll off the excess for quite a few times...which is what i did.

I bought a quart and used almost half for a 49x84 (2 extra inches on all sides under the frame).
post #83 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

that's the texture i'm getting. I just followed your video for loading the paint on the roller. You seemed to grab some paint from the ditch, and roll off the excess for quite a few times...which is what i did.

I bought a quart and used almost half for a 49x84 (2 extra inches on all sides under the frame).

When the roller is new I load it and roll it out to get the air out of the roller. Then I load it to apply the first strip. I don't load and roll it out that way for each strip.

Does your surface look like the photo except there are little bubble craters?

I usually found the second coat went on smoother. Did you clean the thrifty panel well with window cleaner before painting?
post #84 of 235
Yes, that is how my surface looks with the addition of the craters. I wiped it quickly with some rubbing alcohol. I think perhaps you're correct and i'm not loading enough paint on the roller. I did the technique you used for loading the roller on the first strip...except I did it for every strip.

I also forgot to ask, do you use a new roller for every coat? I just wash and dried the roller i was using. can i still use that, or would you recommend i use a new roller?
post #85 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

Yes, that is how my surface looks with the addition of the craters. I wiped it quickly with some rubbing alcohol. I think perhaps you're correct and i'm not loading enough paint on the roller. I did the technique you used for loading the roller on the first strip...except I did it for every strip.

I also forgot to ask, do you use a new roller for every coat? I just wash and dried the roller i was using. can i still use that, or would you recommend i use a new roller?

OK so you spent too much time loading the roller for each strip. This may have actually slowed you down to the point of dry rolling. I actually found the best thing to do is bag the roller between coats. You use several ounces of paint just wetting the roller.

post #86 of 235
so just bag the roller without cleaning it? will the roller not get dry and rough with dry paint?

I'll make sure not to take too much time rolling out the paint on the next coat. how many coats should a quart yield?
post #87 of 235
Yes, just plastic wrap or plastic bag your roller between coats. It will not dry out if you wrap it up. Works great and less work!
post #88 of 235
ok, will do. thanks guys.
I wanted to mount the projector to take pictures of the projected image after each coat, but mounting has been more of a PITA than i thought.
post #89 of 235
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Originally Posted by percept View Post

so just bag the roller without cleaning it? will the roller not get dry and rough with dry paint?

I'll make sure not to take too much time rolling out the paint on the next coat. how many coats should a quart yield?

I usually get two coats on a 120" screen when I bag the roller between coats. Since you still have a half can you should be ok.
post #90 of 235
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It has come to my attention that there is some concern that I have unintentionally mislead people regarding the EasyFlex Solutions. Here are a few staements that should be considered before deciding to implement any of these EasyFlex Solutions.

The tints are not true neutral gray. They are as close as I can get them without the use of a spectrometer.

The Behr Matte Polyurethane is probably introducing some color shift due to the light amber color.

It is also possible that the pearl products from Folkart will add some coloration to the screen surface.

I have not personally observed any of these problems and I have not had any reported to me or this thread by anyone who has implemented a screen using these tints or the suggested Folkart pearl products in conjunction with the Behr matte polyurethane.

I just want to know if anyone has actually had any problems with these solutions. If so I beg you to report it directly to me so that I can revise or retract these solutions before anyone else is inconvenienced.
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