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Backlit cabinets with glass faces - best way to do?

post #1 of 17
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I just hung my cabinets over the bar (milestone - this is the last "construction" project! Yea!). These are custom sized cabinets with floating wood panels. I want to cut the panels out and have them replaced with reed glass. So two issues - best way to cut the panels out? I don't have a table saw so I was thinking - just drill 1" holes in each corner of the panel, then use my jigsaw ? Is there a easier/better way to get the panels out?

Then there is the fun part. I was thinking that it would be cool to have lighting inside the cabinets so they would glow. Any thoughts on what type of lighting to use? I am somewhat concerned about heat buildup inside the cabinets if I put lighting in there. So LED lighting? It needs to be either - dimable - or low enough lumens (preferred). Electrical is no problem - there are outlets below the cabinets on both sides, and I can put a short run of romex up to come out inside the cabinets.
post #2 of 17
As far as cutting the actual cabinets, I would recommend using some type of applied trim piece as you will never get straight edges using a jigsaw.THat is the most difficult part of retrofitting cabinets. WE ended up having the builder put in some glass doors where we wanted them when we optioned the house.


For lighting, you can get LED lighting, but all I have seen still have that blue tint to them.

I did the top and inside of my kitchen cabinets using Ambiance linear low voltage lights from Sea Gull lighting. The only caveat is that it is not cheap.

The system is essentially a heavy guage lamp cord that snaps into a plastic track. Then the lights clamp to it and when installed it is very very small and gives a nice even look since you are using lots of small lights. I used frosted to make the light more diffuse, but they have clear bulbs as well.

The undercounter are standard flourescents installed by the builder and the color is not as bad is it look in the pictures below, but I still need to change them to a better match.

Large wall

Corner


RIght at the top of the cabinet as the wire is about to exit out the top.

The top of the large run.
post #3 of 17
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Very nice! How many bulbs per side per cabinet did you use? Would you use more or fewer bulbs in you were doing it over again?
post #4 of 17
I used one light on each side per shelf and have been very happy with it. I used 5 watt frosted bulbs and they have 10 watts as well so I could go brighter if I wanted but there is no need.

The lights can be spaced somethign like every 4 inches IIRC so you could put in a stupendous amount if you wanted to as long as you had the transformer to run it. I would not go that much unless you were lighting a soffit or something though as it would just be too bright.
post #5 of 17
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Thanks! I bought a router today to cut out the panels - should work.
post #6 of 17
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Thanks! I bought a router today to cut out the panels - should work.

You will need to build a jig with some scrap wood to guide the router in a straight line. Let us know if you need specific instructions.
post #7 of 17
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You will need to build a jig with some scrap wood to guide the router in a straight line. Let us know if you need specific instructions.

Thanks! I knew that scrap wood in the garage the GF has been nagging me about throwing away would come in handy I have never used a router before so I will build a jig and practice on the scrap wood first. I think I got the correct bit it is a "straight trim bit". There might be a snag in this plan - it looks like there is a small metal plate or big staple that has been shot into each corner to reinforce it. Any idea how to get that out of there? My plan at this point is to route out all the way around except for the corners, then use a chisel to take the wood top off the staple/plate - then pull it out with pliers?
post #8 of 17
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There might be a snag in this plan - it looks like there is a small metal plate or big staple that has been shot into each corner to reinforce it. Any idea how to get that out of there? My plan at this point is to route out all the way around except for the corners, then use a chisel to take the wood top off the staple/plate - then pull it out with pliers?

That's a good plan except for the pull with pliers part. Until you get the first corner chiseled out a bit and can get a good look at the "staple" you won't know for sure if it will come out. It might actually be a fairly long piece of metal that is integral in holding the corner joint together. If it is, then I would think you could bend it out of the way with needle nose pliers or bend it back and forth enough until the exposed part snaps off.

If you have the ability to post a pic of the corner staple we might have other suggestions.
post #9 of 17
Yeah, what you are talking about sounds like a piece that holds the joint together. I would make the glass opening smaller to avoid that.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

It might actually be a fairly long piece of metal that is integral in holding the corner joint together. If it is, then I would think you could bend it out of the way with needle nose pliers or bend it back and forth enough until the exposed part snaps off.

Bingo! That is exactly what is, a little bending induced metal fatigue and it snaps off. Thanks for the advice, my doors are ready for glass now.
post #11 of 17
Lets see some pictures of those doors!
post #12 of 17
I used these guys to purchase my LED under-cabinet lighting. I've been very happy with it so far, and the prices are extremely reasonable. I hope that helps.

Look at the Tresco line under Kitchen Accessories.
post #13 of 17
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Here are the doors - The glass is supposed to be in next week. I chose the smallest reed rib size - vertical orientation. It was more work than I thought it was going to be to route out the back side, but I got a new tool out of it, the router! Router bits are expensive. I saw some that were half the price of the router! Will post final pics after glass and lighting is in.

post #14 of 17
Nice job.

Router bits are expensive as heck. I've seen some that cost as much as the router.

If is probably not a huge issue, but since the doors were not made for glass from the start, it would probably not be a bad idea to use silicone caulk all around to give it some rigidity.

Also, I forgot to mention before, but it would be a good idea to use tempered glass in the doors in case they break on you.
post #15 of 17
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Well, I got the glass, and after a little SNAFU on the smaller door glass (they cut the glass so the ribs ran the wrong way) I got all the glass silicone caulked in. Now for the other fun part - removing the excess silicone caulk. If I had know how difficult it was to get cured silicone off of glass, I would have been much more careful about how much silicone I used and exactly where I put it. Oh well, live and learn.
post #16 of 17
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If I had know how difficult it was to get cured silicone off of glass, I would have been much more careful about how much silicone I used and exactly where I put it.

LOL. Ran into the same problem the first couple of times I mudded my drywall. Yeah, using the "more is better" theory doesn't work too well there either.
The doors look great.
I think the glass will be a nice addition.
post #17 of 17
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Finally done (almost)! Doors are hung, now I just need to figure out the lighting situation, I am still considering the options. Thanks very much to all who helped!



The final hanging of the doors was supervised by Mr. Squirrel, who was very interested in the process. Perhaps he thought I was going to store nuts in the cabinets and is now planning a raid for later with his squirrel friends? Note to self: keep an eye on the rodents.

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