Originally Posted by Vader424242
It never ceases to amaze me how some people cannot grasp such a simple statement "It is not correct. Period. If you don't notice (or care), that's your issue. I, for one, am a enthusiast of film as it is supposed to be seen
, and that includes correct framing as much as it does OAR. The posts that seem to be defending Disney's apathy is really pathetic on what is supposed to be a gathering of other film enthusiasts. The fact that someone does not notice something does nothing to change the facts
; it merely illuminates what he cares about (or his apathy). The SD version of the film is superior in that it is as was framed in theaters. The mere fact that it looks and sounds better on HD, despite that it is MAR for significant parts of it (and, yes, anything
is significant to someone who cares about the film, and is not simply a format fanboy), does not change the issue. These pathetic attempts at legitimizing Disney's screw-up and subsequent ignoring of the issue just go to show that there are an increasing number of people here who shouldn't be (there are more suitable fanboy sites out there)...
"Fanboy" - Why is it that this word is always the first shot across the bow from people who don't understand?
First of all "I am NOT saying this in defense of the Blu-Ray format. I am saying this in response to the ridiculous assertions [demanding]
that Disney replace these discs."
In light of the error's seriousness, which I revealed was far lower than the discussion has reflected, it's ridiculous to expect
them to replace anything, therefore it's ridiculous to demand it. To demand it without reason is to pretend that it is a bigger problem than it is with no regard for the consequences. To demand it without a chance of it happening only serves to needlessly sour things for everyone and generate more negativity than the error actually warrants.
Originally Posted by CZroe
I have SEVERE OCD... compulsive hoarding/collecting, Internet addiction, compulsive shopping/deal-hunting, etc. I can't bear to watch the crappy encoding of the BBC Planet Earth BDs after noticing the pulsing in the dark areas (actually, it's more like I'm too distracted to watch and I give up). I check my The Prestige disc for "BD rot" almost every week despite the codes indicating that it is not susceptible. All this and yet I refuse to pretend that this PotC issue is serious enough to demand a replacement.
I practice what I preach BROTHER.
I would like a replacement but, after fully understanding the error and the chances of that happening, I refuse to believe that the error is serious enough for that to be a reasonable demand. Let's imagine that the theatrical version were framed like the BD the situation was reversed because Disney "fixed" the original error. Let's say they "forgot" to fix it on the DVD. Would we be demanding a replacement for the "fixed" BD version? Always demanding the original is like blindly saying that the original decisions were always correct. Ironically, my little scenario there assumes that the error is as serious as those in this thread believe (without listening): It's not. Only in the land of synchronized still shots would it be seen as an error, and I can prove that with video. A viewer of both very well may think that the incorrect framing was intentional if it were in the original instead.
First of all, I didn't "defend" Disney or the error. I don't know how you can claim that. I simply corrected the people who ignorantly kept saying that it was obvious (based on still frames) and told them that there is a "fat chance" that Disney would replace them. The chance *is* slim IMO and I explained why. Am I suddenly not allowed to apply logic and form a prediction? Just because the prediction isn't what you or I "want" doesn't mean I have formed sides on the matter. Didn't you notice the part where I said that I would exchange mine if they did this despite my prediction? If the people I was correcting would even press "Play" they would see exactly what I said they would see. All that stuff I said about being OCD and *STILL* not being too bothered by it was to make sure people understood the degree to which it was not noticable so they would stop basing their judgements on the screenshots and listen to a true OCD film fan's reasoning. You misinterpreted that as some kind of attempt to give Disney a cop-out. Now, why can't I discuss and correct people or have an opinion on the seriousness that differs from yours without being called a fanboy?
There's a difference between missing content and this. Clearly, they went back further than the theatrical master if this type or cropping is even possible. Ask yourself: Why? Following this logic, is any remastered movie "broken?" If you truely understand my points, you'd see that most of the cropping error resulted in changes that appeared intentional. In fact, only the part showing them in the roof seems to indicate that it is not, but if they let the current framing setting run for 8mins, they probably can't be bothered to change it for some of the split second shots (and they may yet have been trying to hide the stunt-double in high-def).
I admit, I can't stand the Lion King Special Edition for ruining the movie by adding a song that was originally cut for a reason and then branching to an unrestored
segment to bypass it when you opt out of it, but I understand that that's the way it is.
Demanding your preferred version is very different to demanding a recall/fix. Sure, it's not uncommon for an exchange program in the event that demand creates one (Fifth Element, BTTF), but that sets no precedent. It's not like George Lucas gave away the original trillogy on DVD for free to Special Edition "1.1" DVD customers when he was finally pressured to release the ones mastered from LaserDisc. Fat chance on getting Disney to do the same.
Originally Posted by Vader424242
... it's like talking to a wall... I want HDM to stay niche as it will keep this stuff at bay (imagine what will happen when J6P starts calling the shots - with their wallets). As a niche, LaserDisc catered to those who cared about the entire presentation. As I have repeatedly pointed out, the 1993 release of "The Empire Strikes back" was missing 9 seconds
of Leia welding on the Falcon. Enthusiasts rallied to get FOX to replace the affected disc, not because it affected the enjoyment of the film, not because the viewer was missing any dialog, but because it was an error. Period. Please stop saying "it is only 8 minutes"... I don't care if it is 2 seconds; it is an error. Deal with it.
Well, there's your problem right there. I never said that it was "OK" because it was only eight minutes. I said that the entire movie wasn't ruined and there is very little chance that Disney will replace it. I went on to say that even those eight minutes weren't "ruined." I explained even further
that what looks ruined to everyone here also is not and that these account for only a scant few seconds of the film. "Changed" does not equal "ruined" either; It equals "different." Of course we have a problem with "different," but it's not a big enough problem for them to fix it. Of course, I may be wrong, but until then: Deal with it.
YOU have a problem with it being different, *I* have a problem with it being different, but just because I stuck my neck out to correct the misguided people who are saying that it is worse than it is and that due to this Disney will probably not fix it, I somehow don't belong here and you do? Listen to yourself. Please don't say that you'd rather go on blissfully unaware than listen to someone apply logic and perspective. Even if you are going to demand it, don't you need to know how baseless or justified they are before you end up wasting your time?