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post #241 of 2241
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Originally Posted by johnnybrulez View Post

Is anyone else here still trying to get that picture? Or is every other Sammy 81 owner content?

Still evaluating the panel. For me I am going to use it purely as a gaming PC monitor so my criteria is different. I rank things in this order of importance.

1. Ease and stability of connecting to a PC
2. Shadow detail
3. Latency
4. Motion Blur
5. Smooth greyscale
6. Color Accuracy
7. Power usage

So far I haven't found anything that is distracting enough to pull me totally out of the game. Motion blur is probably the biggest issue. But, in terms of motion blur versus other LCDs the 81 is definitely improved. The question is can I complete get wrapped up and totally into the game with the 4081. There is plenty of WOW factor in gaming on this panel. Still not done with evaluating the panel at this point.
post #242 of 2241
Just to check in, is this still going to be an effective Best-Buy-Magnolia exclusive so far as local big box retailers are concerned? I noticed they have the XBR4/71 series at pretty heavy discounts over MSRP this week. I wish the 81 was as readily available
post #243 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

Just to check in, is this still going to be an effective Best-Buy-Magnolia exclusive so far as local big box retailers are concerned? I noticed they have the XBR4/71 series at pretty heavy discounts over MSRP this week. I wish the 81 was as readily available

The 12 percent Rewards Zone coupon worked on the 5271 I bought today, but specifically said on it that it wouldn't be allowed on the 81 series. Clearly someone doesn't want this TV discounted...at least not yet. Luckily for me, after seeing the TV in person, I didn't want one anymore.
post #244 of 2241
Maybe if they haven't moved a lot of units by the holidays, they might want to do a heavy discount during the holidays.
post #245 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

vtms, I offer you my apology if the information I gave was inaccurate; it seems we may be back to the conjecture level regarding the LEDs. When I get an email back from an actual Samsung tech person on Tuesday or Wednesday, I'll pose this question to him/her, too, and reiterate my request for information on the bit depth of the LEDs.
David

No problem, David. Looks like the best way to find out about dimming zone bit depth and about whether BLU uses white or RGB LEDs would be, as mike123abc says, to actually take apart the set to see what the BLU looks like and what it does exactly. Perhaps some info could be gleaned from peeking into the set through those rear speakers/ventilation holes. At least I can see my CCFL BLU on my LCD monitor when I look inside it.

(BTW, that's how we know that those new, thin prototype Sharps use RGB LEDs/lasers since you can easily see red, green and blue lights at the back of the set )
post #246 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Ant52 speaks truth.

Interested parties can check out all the problems they've had over on the LN-Txx61/65 owner's thread--it has been a mess. Some people luck out and have no flashes or dropouts and some people just experience problem after problem after problem with their HDMI connections.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ht=samsung+lcd

This is the main reason why I did not end up buying a 4065. Otherwise it looked like a great choice.

-David

That statement is not correct and it is not a matter of "lucking out". In fact, after June the problems have substantially subsided and they are now, all but totally eliminated. Those very, very few people who are still experiencing HDMI drop out issues, are most probably ending up buying older units which are left over in the retailers stocks. Most of the problematic issues were related to units which were assembled prior to May 2007 (S/N of P2, P3 & P4).
post #247 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi axmode,

Ohhh. Well that is good (and valuable) news. I hadn't really kept up with that thread since learning about the 81s. I know the prices on the 65s have gone down considerably in recent months, so if the HDMI problems are a thing of the past, those could be a very good buy indeed. Mind you, at this point I'm still set on my 4081 because of what I saw when I watched one at a Magnolia, but obviously that commitment is contingent on the credible reports and reviews I find as we progress here.

Thanks for bringing my error to my attention. Perhaps in the 61s and 65s price-conscious forum members can find a real sweet spot!

Yours,

David

No problem David... The motto here is, "challenge the post and not the poster".

The Samsung 81 looks like a very intriguing LCDTV and definitely one that will give the Plasmas a run for their money. Personally, since I have already both vested more than I had originally planned (with Samsung products) and having been involved with getting some "early" Samsung products, I am going to sit this one out for a while till I am totally convinced about the 81. Although, I do crave a 57" HDTV with superbly unrivaled levels of Blacks/Whites

For those laggards who may want to jump in now and get a 61/65 series, the deals are simply amazing. Both Amazon and BBY (I have read about BBY offering a free BD player!) are seemingly offering very good deals to pass up on, for those who have been sitting on the fence.

Good luck to you all early 81 series adaptors and adopters
post #248 of 2241
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Originally Posted by axmode View Post

No problem David... The motto here is, "challenge the post and not the poster".

The Samsung 81 looks like a very intriguing LCDTV and definitely one that will give the Plasmas a run for their money. Personally, since I have already both vested more than I had originally planned (with Samsung products) and having been involved with getting some "early" Samsung products, I am going to sit this one out for a while till I am totally convinced about the 81. Although, I do crave a 57" HDTV with superbly unrivaled levels of Blacks/Whites

For those laggards who may want to jump in now and get a 61/65 series, the deals are simply amazing. Both Amazon and BBY (I have read about BBY offering a free BD player!) are seemingly offering very good deals to pass up on, for those who have been sitting on the fence.

Good luck to you all early 81 series adaptors and adopters

I am thinking of grabbing a 4065F for the bedroom when I move out. The new builds are issue free right? with the 1032 fw.
post #249 of 2241
Hi, i just finished reading through all the posting cause I recently found out about the xx81 series sammys. I was interested because of their led lighting. Some of the other sets i am considering is the xbr5 or the toshiba cinema series in 46" size.

After reading all the posts i must say, i am still little confused. Should i spend close to 4k for the sammy or get the toshiba 46" for 2.2k and wait for all these issues to clear up.

I want to upgrade from my sony 42" lcd projection because computer hookup is terrible. Has anyone else wrestled with this?

I loved the sammy posts until the talk about white leds. So should i wait for them to get rgb leds? Also, thank you everyone for putting down your experiences.
post #250 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi skyehill,

Wow. "Like crap"??? Those are strong words, especially if it's a BluRay. Can you say more about where you saw problems?

Was it the colors? (an unsolved problem for Johnny and others.)

The depth? (solved.)

Backlight artifacts? (kinda sorta solved--sorta.)

Shadow detail? (solvable but tricky, it seems.)

Motion blur? (solution unknown.)

Reflective glare? (no solution short of controlled lighting.)

Something I left out?

Looking forward to your input,

David

In a word, Superman(the new one) looked "blah" on the 4081. The colors were really really drab. But isn't that the movie? They claimed they couldn't connect the TV to the store feed that was showing Saturday's college football games on every other TV in HD. It doesn't help that a 40 inch TV is already small to being with, but then you cut out the huge black bars on the top and bottom, and the amount of viewing space for Superman was really tiny. They had a 40 inch Samsung 4061 nearby showing the HD football feed and it was stunning in comparison. I was really let down...more so with the choice of movie they were using to show off. The guy that helped me stated that Samsung was probably "3 iterations away from actually making a TV worth buying using this technology". I have no idea if he's right or not, but Superman left wanting to see more, and unfortunately I could not.

I did get access to the remote, and there was some demo thing running that showed the motion stuff on the left, and that setting off on the right. The difference, at least to my eye, was that the image on the left was brighter than the one on the right. The images being shown looked the same otherwise. I don't get it. Suffice it to say, I did not walk away thinking that this technology was worth spending hundreds of more dollars for.

The difference between the 71 and 81 for me was that the 71 looked much nicer, and it's motion controls were available on all TV settings, whereas I couldn't adjust it on the 81 in anything other than movie mode...a mode I didn't particularly care for. The colors were much nicer on the 71 as well. But again, the 71 was viewing HD content whereas the 81 was showing a bad movie. The 71 was a 52 inch, whereas the 81 was a 40. So then I compared the 71 to the 5265, and came away knowing that they 71 was worth the extra couple of hundred bucks, so I made the call to buy the 5271 today.

Take everything I said with a huge grain of salt. I'm no expert. I just know what I see, and I know what I like and don't like. I really liked the 5271. Fans of the 81, or future owners, should realize that I only saw what Best Buy intended for me to see, which wasn't much tp speak of.


*edit*

Forgot to respond to some of your direct questions:

Glare is not a problem. I love it, and would never choose matte over the glossy. And no, I don't watch TV in a cave. But I do know how to use blinds and curtains (well, my wife does).

Motion blur wasn't an issue.

Shadow detail looked fine.

Backlight artifacts = none.

Depth...disappointing to say the least. The depth, like the colors, felt flat. I don't understand their choice of movie to use to demo this thing. Perhaps because its a movie they deemed appropriate to display in an area accessible to kids? The thing is, the colors really popped when the movie ended and the Blu Ray returned to the movie's options menu.
post #251 of 2241
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Originally Posted by darkninja67 View Post

I am thinking of grabbing a 4065F for the bedroom when I move out. The new builds are issue free right? with the 1032 fw.

I think that there are assembled dates being reported, as recent as August 07 (the 8th & the 9th characters in the S/N = P8). I further know that there are FW versions as high as 1032 and main boards of 1009, although I read that someone had claimed a FW of 1034, but was not substantiated.

The first post on that thread is always up-to-date and very informative. Good luck.
post #252 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Those things just look BOSS!!!
I don't know how they got them so slim, but 150% NTSC? 150%??? Dang! Why do I have to be in the market this year? The stuff slated for next year just looks ridiculously sweet!!

Yeah, and if you look at the pictures, Sharp has apparently solved the viewing angle problem as well. But you can breathe a sigh of relief, David, these won't be out until 2010.
post #253 of 2241
Does anyone know when the 81 series will be available in Europe?
(especially the netherlands )
post #254 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi skyehill,

Wow. "Like crap"??? Those are strong words, especially if it's a BluRay. Can you say more about where you saw problems?

Was it the colors? (an unsolved problem for Johnny and others.)

The depth? (solved.)

Backlight artifacts? (kinda sorta solved--sorta.)

Shadow detail? (solvable but tricky, it seems.)

Motion blur? (solution unknown.)

Reflective glare? (no solution short of controlled lighting.)

Something I left out?

Looking forward to your input,

David

The Superman movie itself looks like crap. And so was the movie IMO. Superman isn't a movie where you should see backlight artifacts maybe beyond the opening. You'll see bleeding against dimmed black areas and areas with the actors names flying by.
post #255 of 2241
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Originally Posted by johnnybrulez View Post

The Superman movie itself looks like crap. And so was the movie IMO. Superman isn't a movie where you should see backlight artifacts maybe beyond the opening. You'll see bleeding against dimmed black areas and areas with the actors names flying by.

Agreed! As an HD movie is far from reference top tier quality which surprised me, it has it's moments but not what one would expect except perhaps the night time fly over of the city with Lois but a disappointing HD level DVD IMO. For color spectrum and details along with sound I prefer Phantom of the Opera in HD, Seabiscuit, MI III and portions of King Kong, and VanHelsing to me is the ultimate with shadow details and camera pans - demo's the true strength of SXRD over any panel I've viewed and still trying to find it on a flat panel. Seems we're going to have a slow ownership process with the 81's and perhaps we get some feedback from CEDIA this week if any are there.
post #256 of 2241
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

No problem, David. Looks like the best way to find out about dimming zone bit depth and about whether BLU uses white or RGB LEDs would be, as mike123abc says, to actually take apart the set to see what the BLU looks like and what it does exactly. Perhaps some info could be gleaned from peeking into the set through those rear speakers/ventilation holes. At least I can see my CCFL BLU on my LCD monitor when I look inside it.

(BTW, that's how we know that those new, thin prototype Sharps use RGB LEDs/lasers since you can easily see red, green and blue lights at the back of the set )

Using my PC connection, which is still stunningly perfect... I just set the entire screen (on the right side) to be black, then looked in the ventilation holes. I could see a faint white glow. Then while I was looking, switched to all red, and the faint white glow became a bright white glow. Just FYI. I still don't know if that really says anything about whether they are white or RGB controlled as a group.

-Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LN-T5281F
post #257 of 2241
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

For color spectrum and details along with sound I prefer Phantom of the Opera in HD, Seabiscuit, MI III and portions of King Kong, and VanHelsing to me is the ultimate with shadow details and camera pans - demo's the true strength of SXRD over any panel I've viewed and still trying to find it on a flat panel.

Will someone PLEASE buy this man an SXRD and be done with it already!!
post #258 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-MT View Post

Using my PC connection, which is still stunningly perfect... I just set the entire screen (on the right side) to be black, then looked in the ventilation holes. I could see a faint white glow. Then while I was looking, switched to all red, and the faint white glow became a bright white glow. Just FYI. I still don't know if that really says anything about whether they are white or RGB controlled as a group.

-Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LN-T5281F

You saw a faint white glow with the screen completely black? The LEDs should be off when the screen is black.
post #259 of 2241
Hi,

I am facing an issue with backlight in movie mode.It is set to 10 and greyed out.The dish network cable is connected from vip722 box hdmi out to hdmi2 on my tv.I am using movie mode to watch cable.But because of the backlight at 10 i am seeing lot of light in the background instead of the black background i normally see in standard or dynamic mode as they allow to change the backlight.I want to just set it something between 3-5 on movie mode but it is greyed out.I disconnected Hdmi cable from tv and powered off the dish dvr but it still won't let me change backlight.Any suggestions and help in this matter please.
post #260 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

Will someone PLEASE buy this man an SXRD and be done with it already!!

He is surely entitled to having an opinion and expressing it, even though he does not seem to own the TV (either a Sammy 81 or a Sony XBR4), doesn't he?!.
post #261 of 2241
I've bee waiting to see one of these sets in person. Has anyone seen an 81 Series at a Best Buy location in Kansas?
post #262 of 2241
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Originally Posted by HTPC4ME View Post

You saw a faint white glow with the screen completely black? The LEDs should be off when the screen is black.

Yes. I'd say it is about 25% or less of the brightness of when the LED is at full brightness. But, that 25% may be scatter from the left side of the display which is illuminated because of some icons on the desktop... I was looking in the vent at the top-right of the display. I did another test, but instead of changing to red, I had my wife move the mouse to the spot at the top where I was looking. That is when it went from dim to bright white. Here are some pics of the display during the test.

Directly in front, no manipulation.


Directly in front, increased brightness.


From extreme side angle, no image manipulation.


From extreme side angle, with increased brightness.


Notice in that last image, you can clearly see a single LED is illuminated under the mouse arrow. The longer I own this television, the more I start to notice the LED lighting zones. It's very subtle, but there. It's very difficult to see when you are looking at the display directly in front of it as shown in the second image. But, at extreme angles it becomes somewhat more visible. This may bother some people, but it really doesn't bother me because I will never be watching it at that angle anyway. I'd say the ideal viewing angle is very wide (at least 90 degrees) and it is quite watchable at much wider angles as well. I think the second image really makes my point because, when I increased the brightness, there was still darkness between two icons in the upper left of the display. That tells me that I'm still getting good contrast and I am not seeing the LED backlighting.

Bottom line - Contrast is much better when you are viewing this display head-on or close to within 45 degrees left or right.

P.S. the white bloom that is within 5 pixels of the icons is purely caused by the camera, it's not visible to the eye at all. I strongly believe the wider areas of dim glow in the last image is the LED back lighting. I believe this because as I move the mouse, I can see zones of brightness going on and off.

P.P.S. I am definitely keeping this TV. Through all the nit-picking it is truly an astoundingly beautiful display. My wife keeps mentioning how much better it looks than our previous Samsung DLP. Don't get me wrong though, we really liked the DLP for TV, but it really was hard to read text on the screen when using it as a computer display (see my other posts from a year ago for why). We were watching the US Open Tennis today in 1080i, and it looked just amazing. It was so bright and this was during the day with all of the window blinds open. We never noticed the glare and I'm convinced that the huge contrast ratio really helps during daytime viewing, which was really important for us.

-Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LN-T5281F
post #263 of 2241
Anyone know why Crutchfield and Abt now list the 81 series as reproducing 92% of the NTSC color gamut? I thought the LED backlight was supposed to enable the set to reproduce 105%.
post #264 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-MT View Post

Yes. I'd say it is about 25% or less of the brightness of when the LED is at full brightness. But, that 25% may be scatter from the left side of the display which is illuminated because of some icons on the desktop... I was looking in the vent at the top-right of the display. I did another test, but instead of changing to red, I had my wife move the mouse to the spot at the top where I was looking. That is when it went from dim to bright white. Here are some pics of the display during the test.

Directly in front, no manipulation.


Directly in front, increased brightness.


From extreme side angle, no image manipulation.


From extreme side angle, with increased brightness.


Notice in that last image, you can clearly see a single LED is illuminated under the mouse arrow. The longer I own this television, the more I start to notice the LED lighting zones. It's very subtle, but there. It's very difficult to see when you are looking at the display directly in front of it as shown in the second image. But, at extreme angles it becomes somewhat more visible. This may bother some people, but it really doesn't bother me because I will never be watching it at that angle anyway. I'd say the ideal viewing angle is very wide (at least 90 degrees) and it is quite watchable at much wider angles as well. I think the second image really makes my point because, when I increased the brightness, there was still darkness between two icons in the upper left of the display. That tells me that I'm still getting good contrast and I am not seeing the LED backlighting.

Bottom line - Contrast is much better when you are viewing this display head-on or close to within 45 degrees left or right.

P.S. the white bloom that is within 5 pixels of the icons is purely caused by the camera, it's not visible to the eye at all. I strongly believe the wider areas of dim glow in the last image is the LED back lighting. I believe this because as I move the mouse, I can see zones of brightness going on and off.

P.P.S. I am definitely keeping this TV. Through all the nit-picking it is truly an astoundingly beautiful display. My wife keeps mentioning how much better it looks than our previous Samsung DLP. Don't get me wrong though, we really liked the DLP for TV, but it really was hard to read text on the screen when using it as a computer display (see my other posts from a year ago for why). We were watching the US Open Tennis today in 1080i, and it looked just amazing. It was so bright and this was during the day with all of the window blinds open. We never noticed the glare and I'm convinced that the huge contrast ratio really helps during daytime viewing, which was really important for us.

-Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LN-T5281F

Yes, the glowing may be subtle for computer usage... but for movies when the lights are off sometimes it drives me crazy. Once you calibrate the brightness it helps but it doesn't disappear. It will be noticeable on many of scenes. A glowy haze in bright areas vs. the pitch darkness of the non lit portions looks far from natural.

Viewing angles were okay. Better than my 3251D, but still not good enough to where I can lay down on my bed and just watch TV w/o seeing the colors shift a little. Including that awesome black turn blue on me.
post #265 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi Valkyrie-MT,
That's great news on the backlight artifacts. I figured there would have to be some, what with so few clusters, but my hope was that they would not be distracting to any but the most discerning of viewers. Have you done anything to calibrate them out yet, per Johnnybrulez' efforts, or is this all just with fairly standard settings?

No, I have not tried to calibrate them out yet. I believe I am definitely seeing the extreme. I definitely think there is a happy compromise to be achieved here... I have it set so bright right now, it is almost painfully bright. Actually, I have the backlight set to the highest setting. In fact I just set it to 5 and it is much easier to look at.

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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

By the way, how has that PC performance been? I mean--more specifically--since the user's manual states that Tint, Sharpness, and Color controls are not available when using it as a PC, how are the colors on it? Do you find them to be natural-looking? Have you encountered any of the funny behavior with reds that Johnny saw when using it w/a DVD player? Any green push? Any strangeness when using the Wide Color Space option and/or the xvYCC option? You are using your monitor in Just Scan mode, I assume? Are you using Standard, Movie, or Dynamic mode for the automatic picture setting?

You are absolutely right, sharpness, color and tint are disabled in PC mode. The colors look good to me though. You do have some color temperture options - Normal, Cool1 and Cool2 only though (only because I use Dynamic P.Mode). The Movie P.Mode enables Warm1 and Warm2, but I still prefer "Normal". Looks very natural. With respect to the reds, I just went in and set a custon RGB color to pure red (255, 0, 0) for the desktop color and it looked like a bold, bright, crimson red. Is xvYCC the same as YCbCr444? If so, that is an option in the NVidia Control Panel, and there is a bit of difference when I switch, in areas of darkness, the details seem brighter in RGB as opposed to xvYCC. I'm sure it's more than just that, but that is the one thing that jumps out at me. Actually, Just-Scan mode is not available in PC mode (over HDMI). The only P.Size option available is 16:9 and 4:3. I use 16:9 of course. Currently using Dynamic P.Mode.

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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Finally, while it is a given that pictures aren't very informative with these things, your photos do look perfectly lovely (I mean, not these last two, obviously, but all the others really grabbed me--especially that shuttle space walk).

Yeah, that picture looks great on the 81. And for instance on the back of the astronaut, the white seems to be washed out in the pic, but it is not at all on the display. I tried to capture the clarity with the close-up of the nose of the shuttle with the windows recycle bin. Really shows the detail and the recycle bin gives some scale.



-Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LN-T5281F
post #266 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

...Finally, while it is a given that pictures aren't very informative with these things, your photos do look perfectly lovely (I mean, not these last two, obviously, but all the others really grabbed me--especially that shuttle space walk).

Finally! I messed with the camera settings more and got a couple of pics that come close to how nice this really looks. Here are the pics and my comments on how they compare with the real thing...

In reality the blues on this display look much deeper and there are many more shades. In the picture, the nose of the shuttle looks like it's just black, but on the display, I see all the detail of the thrusters that are on the nose (the three large holes and the two above). In the lower part of the satellite in the shuttle bay, it looks dark in the picture, but on the display all the details of the metal panels are visible.


This is an optically zoomed area of the same picture. It does a decent job of showing how much detail there is. There seem to be vertical lines in the image, but it is not visible on the display. The white area under the word "Endeavor" looks just like it would in reality with all the detail you would hope to see.


That is one good looking Internet Explorer Icon, eh? My previous pics have had a bright bloom around the icon text, but this pic is more accurate to what I actually see. Clear, crisp contrast between white and black.

Here's the link to the original post with the images for reference: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post11467781

-Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LN-T5281F
post #267 of 2241
I have a regular HDMI cable.I read that this tv -81F- is HDMI 3 capatable.
I looked on the internet and there are places that sell HDMI 3 cableing.
Would I get a better HD picture if I had an HDMI 3 cable for this tv?
ALSO, I read on here that the tv comes with pre set settings..HDMI is set at Low...but can be changed to normal..and therefore picture gets sharper when the control setting is changed to normal.
post #268 of 2241
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Very interesting and informative Sampo, I mean Tokyo.

Sounds like the Samsung Phosphor coatings on those LEDs will make their 81 LCD line subject to IR and Burn In, especially if they are used for prolonged Game Sessions or as PC monitors. Another catch22 situation.

no, i am am not this sampo guy you accuse me off. looks like im falsely accussed of being some random guy. good way to treat new people.





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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Excuse me. I am very sorry that you are having a bad day, but that is no excuse for you to attack me on the basis of a post I made, much earlier in the day, that was directed at a specific individual, and was trying to reassure him not to get too stressed out on a dubious claim, made by a first time poster. In fact, I quoted the comment of the person that I was directing my post too, so it had nothing to do with you. I realize that you feel that you are entitled to play the role of the forum church lady, but then you should stop polluting the thread by posting stuff about plasma versus the 81, which you just did. That is a complete violation of the forum rules. So, instead of sitting in your glass house throwing stones, take the time to read the forum posting rules, and start to adhere to them yourself. In addition, your later post talking about store coupons also is very questionable.

that post i made was not an attack on anyone. i was just correcting a false assumption about samsung's leds, had you or anyone else(who is questioning) been following the original 81 series anticipation thread this info was posted there awhile ago in that > 100 page thread. i don't feel like looking it up for you but you owe me an apology.
post #269 of 2241
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi skyehill,

Wow. "Like crap"??? Those are strong words, especially if it's a BluRay. Can you say more about where you saw problems?

Was it the colors? (an unsolved problem for Johnny and others.)

The depth? (solved.)

Backlight artifacts? (kinda sorta solved--sorta.)

Shadow detail? (solvable but tricky, it seems.)

Motion blur? (solution unknown.)

Reflective glare? (no solution short of controlled lighting.)

Something I left out?

Looking forward to your input,

David

What he is saying is Superman for blu ray or hd dvd is pretty crappy picture wise. To its credit the movie looked like that in the theaters also. colors are off and black levels suck with that flick.
post #270 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Rolfiboy View Post

It is very likely not white phosphor based LEDs, but RGB based white LEDs they use in the 81 because i haven't heard of any phosphor based LEDs there could produce so rich colors.

did you read the 81 series anticipation thread?


BAMMM!

http://www.samsung.co.kr/news/biz_vi...ntentid=115888





posted again for the second time on this site. hopefully nobody misses it again

you owe me an apology greenland.
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