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post #421 of 3509
thanks azht geek, and bguile.

i feel you have me on the right track, because i do believe that i changed the energy setting to low. your comment about losing the glow lights would be consistent with what i experienced. your are correct that tying the lights to the power setting is stupid!

the family will let me get control later tonight, and i will confirm.
post #422 of 3509
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Originally Posted by erikhustad View Post

Quick update: tried taking my HDMI devices and plugging them all straight into the TV, then turning the TV on. It detected them all just fine. (If you're curious, I tried it with my PS3 and HD cable box). If I turn the TV off, plug everything back into the receiver, and then just have my one HDMI going out from the receiver to the TV, then turn the TV on, it doesn't detect it.

So then I have to unplug it, plug it into a different port, and finally it finds it. I noticed, too, it's producing a message like this as part of the Auto-Sense window: "HDMI switching via the A/V receiver is not supported. Please attach digital audio output cable to the television."

Is the TV really telling me that I'm forced to plug all of my HDMI devices straight into the TV and then have a coaxial output to the receiver?! How then would I be able to do multi-channel linear PCM from something like my PS3? (The answer is that I wouldn't.)

I refuse to believe that this TV can't handle one HDMI cable coming from the receiver and isn't capable of just letting the receiver do the switching. All the TV has to do is display a dumb image. Why is this so complicated?

I sure hope there's a firmware update to fix this Mitsu issue or I'm ready to send the set back. That's beyond ridiculous if I can't use my receiver for switching (the way any good home theatre setup ought to).

Don't know whats going on with your tv, or receiver, but i have a HD dvd and ps3 going into receiver and receiver into tv , all with HDMI cables, and no problems at all!
post #423 of 3509
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Originally Posted by tlbowerts View Post

Don't know whats going on with your tv, or receiver, but i have a HD dvd and ps3 going into receiver and receiver into tv , all with HDMI cables, and no problems at all!

Cool, thanks dude. I really hope it's not a Mitsu-Onkyo specific issue because I spent a lot of time researching these two components and came to the conclusion that they were the best choices. If they don't play well together it'll be a real upset. Guess we'll find out when I call Mitsu.
post #424 of 3509
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Originally Posted by bguile View Post

I've tried the settings above and it's way too dark for my environment. I made some changes to it, but can't remember which input I did it with. This is my setup:



Here's a shot from Monday nights game. I believe these are the out of the box settings from D* via HDMI.


These are a few pics after calibrating my DVD video input using the THX Optimizer. The movie is playing on a standard DVD player (no conversion) and connected by component:



Great shots BGUILE, looks really nice!

Azhdgeek, I would be interested to hear what you think of these screen shots? I know it's not the same as being right in front of the set. I am just curious to try and understand why some people see the set as being off while people like me think it looks great almost right out of the box.

Thanks.
post #425 of 3509
I'm a big HD DVD fan. I have the Toshiba HD-XA2 and of course with the latest upgrade it can pass now 1080p 24hz resolution which is the standard for movies.
I have been looking for a 120hz capable tv and the Mits 65833 is on top of my list.
Has anybody have tried HD DVD with this set passing 1080p 24hz to the tv and how does it look.
I would appreciate any input.
post #426 of 3509
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Originally Posted by erikhustad View Post

Cool, thanks dude. I really hope it's not a Mitsu-Onkyo specific issue because I spent a lot of time researching these two components and came to the conclusion that they were the best choices. If they don't play well together it'll be a real upset. Guess we'll find out when I call Mitsu.

erik, I also have a Onkyo (805) and like you, came to the conclusion they was the best choices. if you do some reading on the onkyo threads,it's many that has the Mit -onkyo set up, so almost has to be your mit or onkyo that is not working right!
post #427 of 3509
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Originally Posted by peteran View Post

I'm a big HD DVD fan. I have the Toshiba HD-XA2 and of course with the latest upgrade it can pass now 1080p 24hz resolution which is the standard for movies.
I have been looking for a 120hz capable tv and the Mits 65833 is on top of my list.
Has anybody have tried HD DVD with this set passing 1080p 24hz to the tv and how does it look.
I would appreciate any input.

I have the 833 passing 1080p to the tv and it looks great! but also have the 734 and it looks gerat also with HD DVD!
post #428 of 3509
I saw the 73833 and 65833 at BB and Ken Crane yesterday. One thing that bothers me, and I see it on the Samsung DLPs too, is when I get close to the set, like wihin 3ft, I can see a lot of noise in the picture. Squiggly lines around objects, mosquito noise, and occasionally lines that sortt of "swim". The sets at Ken Crane shared a feed, but the 833 at BB had a Mits demo loop by itself (making it hard to compare with other sets). But I still saw noise on the BB set. At normal distance, even though I don't necesarily see the noise, I think it contributes to a less wow-ing picture. The noise is much less present on the flat panels.

Is this just the nature of DLP / RPTV? Combined with a poor source perhaps?

Could someone take a closeup photo of their 833 with broadcast HD and bluray/hd-dvd? I'd like to see if it's the source or the set. Thanks.

P.S: I was thinking about getting the 65, but once I saw the 73, the 65 started to look small. Rats! I have a 65 CRT at home now, and it does look NOT big. With the new svelte DLP, 65 will look smaller still. The difference in price is pretty huge, like $1300. More agonizing!
post #429 of 3509
I was just messing around with a THX Optimizer and noticed something with the Aspect Ratio Check; the circle is not completly round like it is suppose to be and the lines on the box that the circle is in are bowed inward on the right and left sides. I also notice this bowing when the tv displays sd shows in 4:3. The circle is broken slightly in about 4 places.

Is there a way to go into the service menu and fix this?

Thanks.
post #430 of 3509
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I saw the 73833 and 65833 at BB and Ken Crane yesterday. One thing that bothers me, and I see it on the Samsung DLPs too, is when I get close to the set, like wihin 3ft, I can see a lot of noise in the picture. Squiggly lines around objects, mosquito noise, and occasionally lines that sortt of "swim". The sets at Ken Crane shared a feed, but the 833 at BB had a Mits demo loop by itself (making it hard to compare with other sets). But I still saw noise on the BB set. At normal distance, even though I don't necesarily see the noise, I think it contributes to a less wow-ing picture. The noise is much less present on the flat panels.

Is this just the nature of DLP / RPTV? Combined with a poor source perhaps?

Could someone take a closeup photo of their 833 with broadcast HD and bluray/hd-dvd? I'd like to see if it's the source or the set. Thanks.

P.S: I was thinking about getting the 65, but once I saw the 73, the 65 started to look small. Rats! I have a 65 CRT at home now, and it does look NOT big. With the new svelte DLP, 65 will look smaller still. The difference in price is pretty huge, like $1300. More agonizing!

I really think the source is why you were seeing all the issues above.

Look at the Nemo shots on this thread for close up shots.
post #431 of 3509
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Originally Posted by usmcss View Post

I was just messing around with a THX Optimizer and noticed something with the Aspect Ratio Check; the circle is not completly round like it is suppose to be and the lines on the box that the circle is in are bowed inward on the right and left sides. I also notice this bowing when the tv displays sd shows in 4:3. The circle is broken slightly in about 4 places.

Is there a way to go into the service menu and fix this?

Thanks.

Yes, you can go into service menu and pretty easy fix for bowing, posts in 733 and 734 threads on how to do this!
post #432 of 3509
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Originally Posted by tlbowerts View Post

Yes, you can go into service menu and pretty easy fix for bowing, posts in 733 and 734 threads on how to do this!

Thanks Tlbowerts!
post #433 of 3509
I went into the service menu and got to the MANUAL KEYSTONE GEOMETRY ALIGNMENT. I followed some instructions I found and went completly around clock wise till I got to the 4:3 alignment part. I kept hitting the fast forward and did not notice anything change. I counted up to 50 presses and then hit enter to see if there was a change in the 4:3 picture on my screen and I did not notice anything.

I went back in to the menu and reversed what I did by going back 50 presses and hitting enter.

Does anyone know if this is the way you correct the bowing in 4:3? Do you need to press INFO for the calculation to take effect as someone stated in a previous post?

Thanks.
post #434 of 3509
Use the left/right arrow keys to move the + sign. You won't see your lines change until you hit enter to get to the geometry screen. Then when you hit enter again you will be back in the adjustment screen and can see the changes. This process usually requires several iterations.
post #435 of 3509
Thanks Russell; I can get the + to move but once I go through all the 16 + settings it takes you to the 4:3 ajustment which does not seem to to anything.
post #436 of 3509
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Originally Posted by usmcss View Post

Great shots BGUILE, looks really nice!

Azhdgeek, I would be interested to hear what you think of these screen shots? I know it's not the same as being right in front of the set. I am just curious to try and understand why some people see the set as being off while people like me think it looks great almost right out of the box.

Thanks.

One thing that stands out is nemo looks red to me. I will have to see if I can dig up a copy on nemo. Most of my SD has been banished. Here is a shot of his dad as pixar see him which is close to the real Ocellaris Clownfish colors.

http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/nemo/

Also I can't remember the ESPN guys name but it looks like he has a sunburn instead of his usual tan
post #437 of 3509
After you go around the screen and arrive back at the starting point, you will THEN be in the 4:3 bar adjustment mode. Keep pressing the fast forward/rewind until you get the bars as straight as possible. Press enter to get back to the menu and when finished press exit.
post #438 of 3509
Am I just being picky or does SD content from the cable/sat providers just look horrible (I am on Direct TV). I am also noticing some horrible macroblocking on HD Discovery. Course I am using the older Mpeg2 unit and they probably just stole bandwidth from the regular channels for the sunday ticket.
post #439 of 3509
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Originally Posted by rrussell View Post

After you go around the screen and arrive back at the starting point, you will THEN be in the 4:3 bar adjustment mode. Keep pressing the fast forward/rewind until you get the bars as straight as possible. Press enter to get back to the menu and when finished press exit.

I see the lines moving now; it seems really hard to make the adjustment. It appears to me that if you push forward a couple times that the line will move so far and then pop back to the original postion; same with rewind.

It's probably my eyes playing tricks on me. I will just have to play around with it. Thanks.
post #440 of 3509
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Originally Posted by AZHTGeek View Post

One thing that stands out is nemo looks red to me. I will have to see if I can dig up a copy on nemo. Most of my SD has been banished. Here is a shot of his dad as pixar see him which is close to the real Ocellaris Clownfish colors.

http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/nemo/

Also I can't remember the ESPN guys name but it looks like he has a sunburn instead of his usual tan

I see what you are saying; fortunately it doesn't really bother me.
post #441 of 3509
Does the 833 up scale everything to 1080P; like if you switch your HR20 receiver to 480i, 480p, 720p? What does everyone have their receiver set on; mine is set to 1080i.
post #442 of 3509
Thread Starter 
I don't know what it is, the 73833 or me? I want to thank every one that's posted their video changes but I've tried almost all of them and I end up going back to factory defaults.

I liked AZHTGeek's the best but after poping in the HD Avia disk, I got frustrated and ended up going back to defaults. Maybe I'll pay for a professional calibration or just leave it at defaults which look great to me.
post #443 of 3509
Be gentile I am a crappy photographer and I know the camera is changing the colors slightly but at least you get kind of an idea. These are taken during the day but I tried to remove as much external light as possible.





post #444 of 3509
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Originally Posted by AZHTGeek View Post

Be gentile I am a crappy photographer and I know the camera is changing the colors slightly but at least you get kind of an idea. These are taken during the day but I tried to remove as much external light as possible.






Great shots; man this TV is nice!!!
post #445 of 3509
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I don't know what it is, the 73833 or me? I want to thank every one that's posted their video changes but I've tried almost all of them and I end up going back to factory defaults.

I liked AZHTGeek's the best but after poping in the HD Avia disk, I got frustrated and ended up going back to defaults. Maybe I'll pay for a professional calibration or just leave it at defaults which look great to me.


I have never used Avia so I can't comment on it. I will be "tweaking" the tv more tomorrow or tuesday (the fam doesnt come home until 7pm those days). I am content enough with the TV at the moment but am constantly investegating the scenes lol. All depending on if I can get HCFR to work completely with my spyder tv.
post #446 of 3509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AZHTGeek View Post

I have never used Avia so I can't comment on it. I will be "tweaking" the tv more tomorrow or tuesday (the fam doesnt come home until 7pm those days). I am content enough with the TV at the moment but am constantly investegating the scenes lol. All depending on if I can get HCFR to work completely with my spyder tv.

Sorry, it wasn't Avia, it was Digital Video Essentials for HD DVD. I also have the Avia, but it's not for HD.
post #447 of 3509
So I think i've finally decided on the 73" WD-73833 TV over the Samsung due to the geometry issues they are having.

One question I have which is probably covered somewhere in this thread.

If I get the HD-DVD addition to the XBOX 360 will the mits upconvert the component to 1080p? The samsung upconverted/accepted 1080p from every input source, does the mits do the same thing?
post #448 of 3509
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Originally Posted by slawrence View Post

So I think i've finally decided on the 73" WD-73833 TV over the Samsung due to the geometry issues they are having.

One question I have which is probably covered somewhere in this thread.

If I get the HD-DVD addition to the XBOX 360 will the mits upconvert the component to 1080p? The samsung upconverted/accepted 1080p from every input source, does the mits do the same thing?

Everything is technically upconverted to the native resolution. Everything is displayed at 1080p, so even a 720p source will need to be upconverted by the tv. The xx833 sets do not accept 1080p over component, only up to 1080i.
post #449 of 3509
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Originally Posted by applebonker View Post

Everything is technically upconverted to the native resolution. Everything is displayed at 1080p, so even a 720p source will need to be upconverted by the tv. The xx833 sets do not accept 1080p over component, only up to 1080i.

Yeah I just saw that on the website, i'll probably still get the hd-dvd addition. Doubt my eyes will see a difference in 1080i and 1080p. Ill have to get a standalone blueray player though.

Will be buying tomorrow most likely from BB Magnolia if everything works out ok.
post #450 of 3509
This might be a silly question...but does anyone know where to get the dimensions of the actual box this tv comes in? I am picking the TV up tomorrow and want to be sure it will fit in a grand cherokee.

This is for the 73833.
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