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post #61 of 155
9/1/07 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

i think it is ok to sqy thqt the hype about chinese players on the cheqp may be ture but theyll be accessible only through discrete channels _ far away from the general public

thebland are you having trouble finding the letter A on your keyboard? Or are you smashed from your wine collection? And don't give me that "it's a european keyboard" excuse.

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post #62 of 155
9/1/07 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by bdizzle View Post

we know Wal-Mart isn't going to have these players this holiday season

No, we know that AT THIS TIME Wal-Mart HAS NO PLANS to have them for the holiday. It's September. Holiday is December. Plenty of time for plans to be made.
post #63 of 155
9/1/07 at 8:03am
We do of course know that Venturer are only one of several companies announced as developing HD DVD players for sale this year way back in January.

So, given Wal-Mart's marketting stance on selling cheap things as cheaply as possible, I'll ask a question:

Who thinks that, come Christmas, lots of other stores will have cheap Chinese players like the Venturer, but Wal-Mart will only carry the more expensive Toshibas?

Anyone?

Anyone here think that?

Do I see a hand at the back?

The bottom line is, if these players go for $149, and Wal-Mart doesn't carry them, they'll be carrying $149 (or less) players from someone else.

Steve W
post #64 of 155
9/1/07 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

We do of course know that Venturer are only one of several companies announced as developing HD DVD players for sale this year way back in January.

So, given Wal-Mart's marketting stance on selling cheap things as cheaply as possible, I'll ask a question:

Who thinks that, come Christmas, lots of other stores will have cheap Chinese players like the Venturer, but Wal-Mart will only carry the more expensive Toshibas?

Anyone?

Anyone here think that?

Do I see a hand at the back?

The bottom line is, if these players go for $149, and Wal-Mart doesn't carry them, they'll be carrying $149 (or less) players from someone else.

Steve W

Ya, somebody here made a good point - maybe Walmart has no plans of selling Venturer because they have plans of selling Fuah Yung - not sure how to spell that
post #65 of 155
9/1/07 at 8:17am
put a durabrand or iLO label (they are the same company) on these players and I bet Walmart will carry them.

Time will tell. The rest is 100% speculation at this point.
post #66 of 155
9/1/07 at 8:17am
If no one interested to carry it in US ... why dont they just sell all of the units in my country in Malaysia, will definitely sold out in a day as the tosh HD-E1 here is sold nearly US$700/unit...can u imagine that....hats on to the hd-dvd add on for xbox 360 for it afford ability and availability...
post #67 of 155
9/1/07 at 8:33am
This is a typical statement from a typical company, trying to avoid the money loss they will see if people "hold off" on purchases in expectation of a cheaper product.
Does anybody remember Sony flat out denying the $100 price drop on PS3, just one day before they came out to announce the $100 price drop? And now SONY is Taking the guy to court, the guy who leaked the CC add early, because they claim they lost thousands of dollars from potential buyers who held off for the $100 price drop.
post #68 of 155
9/1/07 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by Reginald Trent View Post

thebland are you having trouble finding the letter A on your keyboard? Or are you smashed from your wine collection? And don't give me that "it's a european keyboard" excuse.

Since he is drunk off his rocker, I'm curious as to what his profession is.
post #69 of 155
9/1/07 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by Reginald Trent View Post

thebland are you having trouble finding the letter A on your keyboard? Or are you smashed from your wine collection? And don't give me that "it's a european keyboard" excuse.

the eupopean keyboqrd has a q where the a is....its reqlly q problem;;;i spend more ti,e correcting thqn posting...the letter m is qlso screwed up as is finding a . )period)

i did find q copy of mullholland drive todqy on hd dvd is this availqble here
post #70 of 155
9/1/07 at 10:11am
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We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this holiday,...

Exactly which holiday wasn't mentioned. This could be interpreted as:

Quote:


We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this Labor Day,...

post #71 of 155
9/1/07 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by beatboy77 View Post

Of course not, but it is part of the overall announcement. In the past 72 hours 2 pieces of the parts which make up the announcement have been made public. As I mentioned in an earlier thread I have not been given the OK to discuss any details on this as well.

On a side note, I have told two trusted AVS members what this news is several days a go via PM and if this deal gets finalized (which I expect will happen) they can confirm this for you all.

~Josh

OOOOoooh!
post #72 of 155
9/1/07 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Favelle View Post

Soooo.....errrmmmm......is this Beatboy's "BIG NEWS" from a week ago, or have we all just decided that he didn't actually HAVE any news at all?

+1
post #73 of 155
9/1/07 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by bdizzle View Post

i think hes in europe for IFA or something. Ive been seeing a's replaced with q's a lot in the last couple days. Someont said EU keyboards have some keys switched around i believe......

or he could just be drunk who knows

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwertz
post #74 of 155
9/1/07 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

We do of course know that Venturer are only one of several companies announced as developing HD DVD players for sale this year way back in January.

So, given Wal-Mart's marketting stance on selling cheap things as cheaply as possible, I'll ask a question:

Who thinks that, come Christmas, lots of other stores will have cheap Chinese players like the Venturer, but Wal-Mart will only carry the more expensive Toshibas?

Anyone?

Anyone here think that?

Do I see a hand at the back?

The bottom line is, if these players go for $149, and Wal-Mart doesn't carry them, they'll be carrying $149 (or less) players from someone else.

Steve W

Hi Steve,

Well said!

What we do know for sure is that earlier in the year Wal-Mart approached a number of manufacturers to provide Request for Proposals on inexpensive HD DVD players. Now why would they do that? Surely they're not waiting for the end of the format war to try to tap into a new market? No, they're not going to let a holiday season go by without getting a Wal-Mart size piece of the action.

It would be incomprehensible for this season to pass without Wal-Mart being a major player in the high definition player market. (Pardon the pun.)

However, this logic applies to either format and it seems to me that Wal-Mart would have had the foresight to request bids on low priced Blu-ray players as well. Its alway possible that, Sony, in response to the Paramount defection, is negotiating furiously with Wal-Mart in a deal similar to Target's.

Regardless, the release of the Venturer "budget" HD DVD player can only be viewed as a positive development which will help bring all player prices down for both formats.

Larry
post #75 of 155
9/1/07 at 12:10pm
No one will buy hd dvd (or blu ray) at walmart in any significant quantity this holidy season. Too expensive
post #76 of 155
9/1/07 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

No one will buy hd dvd (or blu ray) at walmart in any significant quantity this holidy season. Too expensive

I disagree. If either side can get a 149.00 player in Wal-Mart, they will sell maybe a million of these players before the end of the year. Of course it depends when they start selling them. But they will sell them, I believe.
post #77 of 155
9/1/07 at 12:17pm
Do you believe a Walmart shopper won't pay $200? They have an awful lot of hdtv's there. I'm not so sure about that
post #78 of 155
9/1/07 at 12:40pm
again. Wal-mart might not be carrying the venturer player because its too expensive for a non branded item. Maybe have a more cheaper HD DVD player in mind? lets dissect the WAl-mart quote:

Quote:


“We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this holiday,” Wal-Mart merchandise spokeswoman Melissa O’Brien said. “We will continue to offer the best values on popular HD DVD and Blu-ray products from leading consumer brands like Sony, Samsung, Philips, Toshiba and RCA.”

1st pointer - Wal-mart wont carry Venturer during this holliday sales.

what about after that ?

2nd pointer - Wal-mart will continue to offer the best values on popular HD DVD and Blu-ray products from leading consumer brands like Sony, Samsung, Philips, Toshiba and RCA.

The mentioned brads are so called leading consumer brands that Wal-mart will be carrying. They did not expressly said that they will not carry non leading consumer brands HD DVD players such as the one from Fuh Yuan
post #79 of 155
9/1/07 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Hi Steve,

Well said!

What we do know for sure is that earlier in the year Wal-Mart approached a number of manufacturers to provide Request for Proposals on inexpensive HD DVD players. Now why would they do that? Surely they're not waiting for the end of the format war to try to tap into a new market? No, they're not going to let a holiday season go by without getting a Wal-Mart size piece of the action.

It would be incomprehensible for this season to pass without Wal-Mart being a major player in the high definition player market. (Pardon the pun.)

However, this logic applies to either format and it seems to me that Wal-Mart would have had the foresight to request bids on low priced Blu-ray players as well. Its alway possible that, Sony, in response to the Paramount defection, is negotiating furiously with Wal-Mart in a deal similar to Target's.

Regardless, the release of the Venturer "budget" HD DVD player can only be viewed as a positive development which will help bring all player prices down for both formats.

Larry

The cheap Chinese HD DVD players were rumored early in the year. Sony cannot put together a deal like this in weeks. It takes months of lead time.
post #80 of 155
9/1/07 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

the eupopean keyboqrd has a q where the a is....its reqlly q problem;;;i spend more ti,e correcting thqn posting...the letter m is qlso screwed up as is finding a . )period)

i did find q copy of mullholland drive todqy on hd dvd is this availqble here

I don't believe Mullholland drive is available here in HD DVD so you got yourself a find.
post #81 of 155
9/1/07 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

No one will buy hd dvd (or blu ray) at walmart in any significant quantity this holidy season. Too expensive

Somebody doesn't know whQt he's tQlking Qbout.
post #82 of 155
9/1/07 at 1:57pm
We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this holiday, Wal-Mart merchandise spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien said. We will continue to offer the best values on popular HD DVD and Blu-ray products from leading consumer brands like Sony, Samsung, Philips, Toshiba and RCA.

Wal-Mart does sell some Venturer portable DVD players on its Web site.

Hmmmmmmmm....perhaps Wal-Mart will sell the Venturer exclusively on its Web site.
post #83 of 155
9/1/07 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by bdizzle View Post

Fox/Disney has said numerous why the believe BD is the best format, HD fanboys scream scandal, conspiracy, anti-trusts, and buyouts. Paramount/Universal give their reasons why their HD only and you don't apply the same logic. That's the nature of a fanboy though, you can only view things from your perspective

That is a 2 way street. I have never seen such lame excuses for hatred of Paramount, Toshiba, and Microsoft (even though it looks like they had nothing to do with it) like that any time before the announcement. It really brought the fanboy out of even those who call themselves professional, unbiased journalists.
post #84 of 155
9/1/07 at 2:13pm
The fact that BB77 was the first to post this makes it wrong.

If WAL MART does not carry a $150 HD DVD player and someone else does, WAL MART will have missed a window of opportunity to cultivate and harvest an emerging CE market.

If WAL MART did not sell any inexpensive HD DVD players, someone else would.

"The Low Price Leader" (it's their slogan) will not be content with another retailer undercutting them on price. They will compete.

WAL MART has recently developed relationships with HD-centric CE manufacturers, such as affordable LCD giant, Vizio. There are a few WAL MART exclusive Vizio panels now, including a 37" and Vizio had the #1 selling 37" panel in the industry last year.

WAL MART isn't going to blow-off the perfect way to complement and drive sales of these HD displays via inexpensive HD DVD players.
post #85 of 155
9/1/07 at 2:51pm
I said it before and now after seeing it reposted over and over again, it seems more suspicious to me. It reminds me of Kosty talking about reading between the lines when reading announcements.

This is the key phrase:

“We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this holiday,”

She said "this holiday", not "this holiday season", and not "the holidays".

The article was posted Aug-31, just before the labor day weekend which is a national US legal holiday. In that context, "this holiday" should not be assumed to mean "the post thanksgiving holiday season".

If Walmart were to have Venturer's on their shelves any day after Sept-3, I think the spokeswoman would still be technically correct.
post #86 of 155
9/1/07 at 3:18pm
As of right now, I think Toshiba is missing a HUGE opportunity. Lower the cost of the remaining A2's to 199, and at least release the A3's at that price, they are already close enough anyways. Venture or not, make it that price point for the 4th quarter and watch the flood gates open HUGE.
post #87 of 155
9/1/07 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by quantumred View Post


If Walmart were to have Venturer's on their shelves any day after Sept-3, I think the spokeswoman would still be technically correct.

It won't be released until Oct '07 the earliest.
post #88 of 155
9/1/07 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Somebody doesn't know whQt he's tQlking Qbout.

post #89 of 155
9/1/07 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Since he is drunk off his rocker, I'm curious as to what his profession is.

Professional pilot.

post #90 of 155
9/1/07 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by quantumred View Post

I said it before and now after seeing it reposted over and over again, it seems more suspicious to me. It reminds me of Kosty talking about reading between the lines when reading announcements.

This is the key phrase:

“We have no plans to have Venturer in our stores this holiday,”

She said "this holiday", not "this holiday season", and not "the holidays".

The article was posted Aug-31, just before the labor day weekend which is a national US legal holiday. In that context, "this holiday" should not be assumed to mean "the post thanksgiving holiday season".

If Walmart were to have Venturer's on their shelves any day after Sept-3, I think the spokeswoman would still be technically correct.

Eisogetical, but technically correct.
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