Evr Is Default Renderer Anymore!

"With recorded media, MS allows you to use the default third party filters that you tweaked just with one exception: EVR. Since its own filter, you can not change its merit value which is set to 00200000 while classical Video Renderer' 00800001. And both WMP and MCE will use the default Graph in their background; believe me. (but of course you can make your custom Graphs)
On the other hand when you put a DVD, MS will use its default filters including his EVR on those both application."


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Originally Posted by CodeThief
So are you saying that you'll never be able to use EVR in MCE unless I play a DVD (where I don't need the HA anyhow!!? "

Untill finding a way to tweak EVR as default renderer, you won't be able.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=896920


Yes; thanks to codechief to boost me to figure out that issue.
Lets start:

Some tweaks first;

regedit:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrenentVe rsion\\Explorer\\Advanced
"SuperHidden"= (set to) 1 (you made all hidden files appear)

boot
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From the Start Menu find the "Command Prompt" and right click on it. From the popup
menu select "Run as Administrator". A Command window will start.
Wriite "regedit"
Regedit popup window will open.
Go to the key
HKLM/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows NT/CurrentVersion/WinLogon.
Now add (from the Edit menu) a new key.
Name this new key "SpecialAccounts".

In HKLM/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows NT/CurrentVersion/WinLogon/SpecialAccounts
create a key named "UserList".

In HKLM/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows NT/CurrentVersion/WinLogon/SpecialAccounts/UserList
create a new DWORD entry ;
Name this entry "Administrator" and
set the value to "1"

exit and boot
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Open Radlight filter manager(right click on exe and"open as admin" click "direct show filters" and choose Cyberlink filters "preferred+1

boot again
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Last step:

Making EVR default renderer;

First you gonna decrease the prioraty of the classical Video Renderer.
Open Radlight Filter Manager as admin and under Direct Show Filters find out Video Renderer; click on it and click "copy CLSID";
open regedit and navigate copied CLSID under PC after finding it just right click on this CLSID (it is on the left side)
go to "advanced", go to "owner", go to "administrator"and click "apply"and mark the "full control" box and "OK"

Move to the "FilterData" on the right side and click on it and change the first line(0000 line)
with this:

02 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 and "enter"

boot

Second you gonna make EVR default Renderer:
open Radlight Filter Manager as admin and under Direct Show Filters find out Enhanced Video Renderer; click on it and click "copy CLSID";
open regedit and navigate copied CLSID under PC after finding it just right click on this CLSID (it is on the left side)
go to "advanced", go to "owner", go to "administrator"and click "apply"and mark the "full control" box and "OK"
Second move to the "FilterData" on the right side and click on it and change the first line (0000 line)
with this:

02 00 00 00 01 00 00 80 00 and "enter"

boot.

Merit values has been changed by force; anyway enjoy with your new default EVR renderer.

GraphEdit, WMP and MCE will play even "recorded fies" on HA mode with new "default" EVR Renderer anymore.

Best!

Arfster, not just for me but for lot of people classical video renderer is default one.
So as to check just opening a file with GraphEdit will give the idea what these both MS applications use as renderer. So everyone can check it.
I don't think its related with decoder.
For mpeg2, MS mpeg2 decoder, Elecard mpeg2 decoder and Cyberlink Decoder works in HA mode (i forgot Pure one)
That is why we are trying to make EVR default renderer.

Is this you really, or anybody else who is speaking?

Hi Arf,

Apart from why i'm not able to use EVR as default renderer under my licenced current Vista 32 without hacking registry, lets talk about these:


It's a test utility of course that is why i'm using it to understand what filters are used by WMP and MCE.

"There are numerous issues that are corrected with EVR and it could be that WMP is using EVR or at least a different filter configuration. Graphedit is the best way to discover the default configuration that will be used whether it is working or not. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graphics Point Engineering "

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...46233&SiteID=1




Good trick; but if WMP is using its own preferred filters as an application, you would never change its any filter even you set its merit to PREFERRED+255?
All in my trials WMP and MCE used MS's own default filters -including EVR-just while playing DVD but used default ones (which we see on the Graph) while playing recorded media.


Don't ask me what api MS uses, but as you know HA is working very well even with VMR7 and VMR9 under XP:

As i told before, GraphEdit shows the kitchen of WMP and MCE but if you don't belive, you can check very basically whether your CPU consumpts %70 or %7 with an h264 file.
In my case after paid 250 USD to OS what i saw on Graph as default was Video Renderer, not EVR. It was the default cause i crosschecked with CPU utilisation.(Also the merit of default Video Renderer was PREFERRED+1)
I've been able to render with EVR; after i made that registry hack.
Sure EVR is the only renderer for h264 under Vista.
Before i made the modification it was impossible for me to get HA with h264 with WMP.
But I've noticed you would never understand whether HA is activated or not when you open an mpeg2 file with Graph(or WMP/MCE) since those three renderers give the same CPU utilization.(Test file was mpeg2 1920*1088 50i-recorded broadcast-)
Whenever you check framerate, you will see WMR-i say classical- gives 25(or 30) while EVR and WMR9 are giving 50(or 60) (GE is the exception since it uses the Cyberlink's registry)
So the best way is to check with an h264 file whether EVR is working.

This is my test PC, i open it from time to time for test reasons after taking off 8600 GTS from the other computer and putting it to this one every time . (the other 2400Pro is in trash now)
So it might had been working in the beginning, who knows?
But this hack would be useful for whom wants to change the other MS filters as well.
Normally i don't use WMP or MCE but after codethief activated me i checked it out and saw EVR is not default.
OS is Home Premium.
Some other feedbacks might give an opinion to us, i hope.
BTW, can you explain how you can see the filters by ffdshow audio ; i'm not much familiar with it?

Thanks archer75 for feedback!
As far as i remember your default renderer is Video Renderer like mine.
Also as i told in your thread, EVR and other MS default filters (like MS Mpeg2 decoder which is also capable of HA) are been using by default while playing DVD on MCE.(applcation uses its own filters even with lower merits.)

Since you are saying h264 is playing just with %3 CPU utilisation, sure EVR has been selected by default. But please tell me what kind of files they are. TS, recorded ones? (till now i can not see any h264 TS file thumbnail on MCE window?)

So on the other hand if you want to make EVR your default renderer and also change the merits of other MS filters follow my first post.
best!

Thanks sarvatt for the contrubution.
Hundred percent i'm sure Cyberlink filters were (and are)default (without any tweak, it is possible to change their merits by RadLight), i checked the registry as weel.
Before tweak, On graphedit i saw all Cyberlink filters as default+ VideoRenderer.(h264 recorded HD ts)
FrameRate was 25 and CPU at %70 after i opened WMP, CPU was again at the same level.
After tweak, i saw the same graph with one exception: EVR.
This time Framerate was 50 and CPU at %6 ,also WMP gave the same result.

archer i really confused.
You and the others say EVR overrides VRenderer on MCE.
Then there must be a problem with me.

But on the other hand i never understand this:

Either one application with its whole addressed filters (including EVR) plays the video, or it allows you to use default filters selected by you and add EVR by itself even its not default renderer? If it is default one why we cannot see on the Graph?
V Renderer's merit is prefferred+1 which means default, if one application bypass this while playing, it should override all other default ones except its own filters. (like the one i gave its graph in your thread. MCE DVD play)

Thanks rickardk!

You use ultimate and get HA with WMP; would you upload your Graph capture of an h264 file?

Thanks sarvatt for this valuable explanation.

Wiki explained very well that Media foundation; so EVR should be expected as default renderer anymore starting with Vista.

But i think it might mention MCE not WMP?

In my specific case after switching to EVR, i see exactly the same filters both in GraphEdit and WMP (via ffdshow audio) and what is interesting that i can change them by Radlight . (you say it is not possible) (maybe i forced them to work with DX instead of MF?)

For MCE the utility which you gave the link works very well just for mpeg2 and audio(except ffd audio). It changed the default MS filters with Cyberlinks i checked with DVD and saw its graph.
So for MCE as you pointed out registry tweak is an obligation but for WMP?

Another question i can not see the thumbnails of h264 ts files on MCE and can not open them?

Thanks!

Sarvatt,

Lets make a summary:
Without any tweak;
You can adjust merit values of filters as default using with a tool like Radlight except EVR.
So when you open any file with GraphEdit you will see what you selected on Graph and renderer will be VideoRenderer.(as default)
But when you open it with WMP (with FFDShow audio selected as audio renderer so as to show us what filters are been using), this time you will see your default filters again and EVR instead of VR.(Media Foundation)
So if your default video renderer is Cyberlink you gonna get HA activated.

On MCE;
MS normally chooses its own filters till you make any registry change on HKLM; you will never change MCE's defaults with Radlight.
You can use a tool that sarvatt pointed out but this is for mpeg2 only and for audio if you want to follow what filters are been using you need to make a tweak at registry for ffdshow as well.
If you want to see your TS h264 files on MCE you have to use haali and tweak it again.
Do you confirm?

Ok, i saw the same CPU utilization but it doesn't give an idea since all renderers give more or less the same result in mpeg2 files.
But i really wonder what default decoder MS uses in h264 files since it has no AVC decoder its own?

With 1080i mpeg2 file i got the same CPU utilization, i didn't mention the SD mpeg2s.

No success in making ffdshow as default audio renderer for Vista MCE
Couldn't tweak registry yet.
Any advice will be appreciated!