Screenshot War!!!!!!!! - Page 137

This 03 VIM is KICKING!! And I've still yet to calibrate the projector. I have to first get in a few parts.

1080P into my Super 9500LC w/Super 03 VIM

MP "This 03 VIM is KICKING!! "

Going to be putting my 9500 together very soon. I have the early MP mods in this PJ and am curious as to what a set of the new mods would run me with a swap out? Shoot me a PM (don't want to derail this thread beyond what I just did)...

thx!!!!

Kevin -

In all fairness, the last shots you sent up do look a lot better in their shadow detail than the ones I commented on before. There's still some distracting ee going on for discriminating eyes in your 350 that's not there on the G90, but otherwise your shots look pretty good now. Thanks for resizing them and giving us apples to apples.

I'm still deathbed loyal to CRT, but gotta give the devil his due here. It's daytime and I might change my mind once I see your new ones in the dark at night, but for now your 350 is not looking half bad.

Not very many digitals can actually go head to head with a G90 and even stay in the running. You do deserve some respect here, for that -


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I don't think I can get gamma that high even with more lamp hours at 2.2 gamma because it's too bright. Since my camera can do 2.2, I try and keep my F-stop above 3.5 if I can help it. The best I can make up for shadow details is to lower the contrast when viewing screenshots. I find this works with or without ambient lighting on my LED monitor but no so well for CRT monitor since the brightness floor is pretty well fixed. I agree they are looking better.

Mike I just noticed something or is it only in these last shots.....is the ringing gone!!!!???

nashou

It's still there. It may not be as obvious after I reset the green to get rid of a touch of banding, but it's still there.

Maybe you'll see it in some of the following:


1080P - UN-touched into my Super 9500LC w/Super 03 VIM

Here ya go Kevin.


1080P - UN-touched into my Super 9500LC w/Super 03 VIM

OK, Kevin - some observations -




On this set, there's some obvious misconvergence of one of your panels internally. The blue is offset a bit to one side, which shows up in the side edges of the symbol.

There is also ee on the printing and writing below, which creates distracting outlining. Great if you're viewing from a distance, distracting when you're up close and personal with your display, and like it like that.


It's nighttime again here at my computer, and The G90 wins this one on the inkiness of the blacks. Yours has a slight haze to it that defeats the potential depth it could have had. Makes the image look flat compared to the depth in the G90's image. You can also see the blue misconvergence on the cyclist's collar and cuff.

The horizontal bars on the grill of the car behind the cyclists each has a different look to it. On the G90 all the slats are uniform.

All the edges on the background superstructures behind the vehicles are enhanced, making them stand out. They are supposed to be in the background, not stand out. It's distracting and defeats the intended depth perception of the scene, where the background is supposed to be staying in the background.

Similar thing happened on the Leno Show during his monologue, where if you didn't reduce your brightness level during his monologue his desk in the background would be illuminated just as much as he, in the foreground doing his monologue, by the stage lighting. My normal br setting - good for most video material, as all calibrated br settings are - would illuminate both to the same degree.

They shoulda reduced the cam sensitivity to capture that depth, but didn't. So I had to reduce my br every time I watched his monologue, to keep the background - his desk - in the background.




Depth. Again that slight haze on your blacks. G90's reds are rosier and more glowing.


Dynamic punch. Other than that -

Foreground looks OK, but there's a huge amount of digital outlining and mottling in the out of focus stuff in the background, esp. on that green and red cab in the center. All the lettering on the signs that's out of focus and thus supposed to be blurry and innocuous and stay in the background is standing out because of the outlining of the edges of the out of focus stuff. It gives them sharp edges rather than smoothed-out edges, as out of focus really looks.

That awning in particular, above the cab, shows 2 levels of light level in it - a box within a box - outlined against each other, where there should be a smooth transition from one light level to another, with no breaks. Very digital.

Just some of my observations. Many will say I am just nit picking, and maybe I am. I am sure your pj would look fine to the average viewer. But to a calibrator, these things stand out like a sore thumb.

And to CRT afficianados, who like to take personal credit for how good their sets look because they personally set them up, or had a noted calibrator with a reputation among them - like the great Ken Whitcomb, or ISF's Jim Doolittle - set them up, these things count also.

Not bad tho. Have seen a helluva lot worse, from digitals!



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Nice of you Bob to cast your calibrators eye over these comparisons - I will have ago at correcting reds,
ultimate black level may be down to exposure camera or gamma PJ, misconvergence wheres that hammer....
I will use my PS3 in future shots HTPC is not as detailed....

A few more for Mike.......Resized zero sharpness

JVC


9500 Super Upgraded CRT


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9500 Super Upgraded CRT


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9500 Super Upgraded CRT

Yo Kevin, amazing how that JVC minics the exact gamma of my CRT..

And it's also very interesting how it seems to have the same color matchings of both my Marquee and Cliff's G90, but not at the same time..


For it to not be color calibrated, it sure has some very unique ability to follow the projector it's compared to. Is that a special feature of the JVC?

Here ya go Kevin, your next project. I've even sized it down for ya.

Let me explain what's going on here...

I've finally calibrated the projector to the changes. As you can see I'm now bringing out that unique lower end.

I'm not using any post sharpening or doing anything else to the shot.


1080P into my calibrated 9500LC w/Super 02 VIM

The same shot but sized larger...

winduptoy's CRT


BenQ W5000

I have noticed this camera discrepancy as well, so for fair comparisons a colour /gamma tweak is required as mentioned before in `my playground` comment uncalibrated JVC also does not help but you already know this.....whats up my pics 2 good for a digital.

Cliff has 3 G90s stacked NO?

Nice comparisons SteveMo.......From that digital.....

So you are modifying each of your shots to minic the comparison shot?

And in doing so, why even bother to do a comparison ,what would be the point??




What do you mean here..

Can you not tell that they're not good in comparison, isn't that also what Bob was pointing out to you... Or do you also need me to point out the many flaws in comparison?



Yes, but what's your point here? of course it can't be that anywhere that you've posted a comparison, it was better than the G90's

Btw, you've gotten better at hiding the fact that you're still adding sharpening, but be mindful that you're dealing with image experts here, therefore you should know that you're a long ways from fooling any of us..

Whatever you say Mike i am sticking around for more comparisons so you have your work cutout....lots of other people are checking out these comparisons....

Sure, and from now on, will you continue to modify your shots to "minic" our shots, or will you truly post them as they are?

Its upto you what you think. My Shots speak for themselves. Give us a time index on that King Kong pic or any others you require comparing. My JVC is up to the task if you can handle it.......

02 VIM or 03 VIM which is it others will wonder?

Visit a store and checkout the JVC sharpness level for yourself seems sharper on zero than your CRT....

If your JVC is so sharp, why have you been posting shots with "sharpened" in the title?

Should sharpening be an issue for digital??

Or is it somehow when you compare your shots to the CRt shots, you find it necessary to do the "sharprening" thing.

Oh, and you're the only one on this thread that has tons of "EE" in their shots.

I know you're making Cliff proud..

Why CRT...


Pure UN-TOUCHED - NOT Sharpened 1080P into my CRT

The other G90 had sharpening on/off thats where. Your focus or something is way off in those tree canopy pics poor resolution.
Round and round you go where you stop only god knows.........

Modded digital. Most people don't correct gamut and gamma or pay much attention to saturation levels or RGB color balance. Those are difficult to photograph, but I do try.

Regardless, but why would a digital needs SO MUCH sharpening, and why would you Also have to do so much more to your shots.

Double of triple stacked G90, it's clear that it blew your digital away in raw sharpness..

Really!

Do you know the scene, and should I also add sharpening..

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9500 Super Upgraded CRT