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post #5401 of 5478
I need to get these blurays so my G90 can play to.biggrin.gif
post #5402 of 5478
No!
The sharpness is the same in both the resolution. I tried to switch many times but don't see any differences.

I bought from you the red C element but the problem is to take down the pj, take out the glycole and change the element!!!

P.S.
I have had a Nikkor 35mm to try to take new pics while before I used a 18/55 zoom.
Will the colorimetry change?
post #5403 of 5478
JVC another outstanding 70mm transfer ZULU. Un-touched from camera.





post #5404 of 5478
Quote:
Originally Posted by cencio View Post

No!
The sharpness is the same in both the resolution. I tried to switch many times but don't see any differences.

I bought from you the red C element but the problem is to take down the pj, take out the glycole and change the element!!!

P.S.
I have had a Nikkor 35mm to try to take new pics while before I used a 18/55 zoom.
Will the colorimetry change?

OK, that's good to know. I'm able to see the 1080P /72hz resolved using my pattern generator, and because I'm not using a video processor, I've been hoping to hear how well it resolves Blu Ray when doinga 60 to 72 hertz comparison.

So as it is now, is your image sharper with the newer boards and how do they compare to the previous version when going 72hz?

You don't have to take down the projector to replace the C element. You simply remove the red tubes assembly from the projector. Once it's removed, you can replace the C element quite simply, by just setting the assembly upright. But it has to be resting on something that keeps the neck and pins from touching anything.

I'll see about duplicating the process for you later and post a shot for you to follow.
post #5405 of 5478
Come on over, we'll keep the light on for ya..biggrin.gif
post #5406 of 5478
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

JVC another outstanding 70mm transfer ZULU. Un-touched from camera.






Very nice Kevin!!! The JVC's are really the most analog-looking digital projectors out there. At least from the screenshots, the image looks sharp, but not artificial.
post #5407 of 5478
A touch of Gamma enabled in my Panasonic Blu Ray player









post #5408 of 5478
Hi, this my G90 calibrated with my photoresarch
picture not retouched 1200 px
G90 with P19lug and HFQ900
1920x817p96






Edited by VPH-G90 - 3/30/13 at 6:18am
post #5409 of 5478
I see great and very sharp images but it seems with a light pink charge too.smile.gif
post #5410 of 5478
Maybe your computer'screen isn't calibrated ? wink.gif
My camera isn't perfect, maybe the time of exposition is so long.
But i think the screenshot are good.
post #5411 of 5478
Remember in these scenes the color temperature is hot
post #5412 of 5478
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Originally Posted by VPH-G90 View Post

Maybe your computer'screen isn't calibrated ? wink.gif
My camera isn't perfect, maybe the time of exposition is so long.
But i think the screenshot are good.

Maybe, this my computer display isn't calibrated
post #5413 of 5478
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Originally Posted by VPH-G90 View Post

Remember in these scenes the color temperature is hot

Your color temperature could be accurate (according to your calibration), because it uses the three RGB markers for reference. So it would show accurate colors on calibration, but most of your images show muted colors, which shows your video chain is not Fast enough to show the full range of colors - colors like brown, and various shades of brown to include yellows (look at Leloos shirt and the flowers around her neck) and its many shades to name a few. Muted colors are caused when you've exceeded your video bandwidth, though, you are operating at the same video bandwidth as 1920x1080P /60hz. Likewise, everything in the backgrounds also show being muted, Both colors and delineation .

You'll will not get the proper facial complexions until you're able to see the oil and perspiration on their face. That will only happen when you're at or near 100% resolving the native content at the higher bandwidth requirement you're running at.

You would do better changing to 72hz, that would lower your bandwidth requirement.
post #5414 of 5478
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Originally Posted by mp20748 View Post

Your color temperature could be accurate (according to your calibration), because it uses the three RGB markers for reference. So it would show accurate colors on calibration, but most of your images show muted colors, which shows your video chain is not Fast enough to show the full range of colors - colors like brown, and various shades of brown to include yellows (look at Leloos shirt and the flowers around her neck) and its many shades to name a few. Muted colors are caused when you've exceeded your video bandwidth, though, you are operating at the same video bandwidth as 1920x1080P /60hz. Likewise, everything in the backgrounds also show being muted, Both colors and delineation .

You'll will not get the proper facial complexions until you're able to see the oil and perspiration on their face. That will only happen when you're at or near 100% resolving the native content at the higher bandwidth requirement you're running at.

You would do better changing to 72hz, that would lower your bandwidth requirement.

lol mike

Your screenshot (curt palme forum) FULL 1080P @ 72hz - 100% RAW / un-touched
[img]
ORIGINAL

My screenshot 1920x817p96


Me too, i can't see the full range of colors - colors like brown, and various shades of brown to include yellows (look at Leloos shirt and the flowers around her neck) and its many shades to name a few in your screenshot...
About 189 MHz pixel clock are necessary to obtain 1920x817p96 is about 95-100 MHz video bandwidth.
We have not reached the 135 MHz video bandwidth G90. However, I confirm that in excess of 80 MHz video bandwidth it becomes complicated to adjust certain parameters (such as electro-magnetic focus).
But remain seriously, it is difficult to anayser as you do any problems of color shades and full range of colors from a screenshot that does not represent reality. For the moment my camera can not transcribe the whole dynamic of my image ... I'm working on improving my camera settings (iso exposure time).


Cencio you are right, in my screenshot there is light pink charge.
the problem has been located, it is the feast of the white balance of my camera was wrong. good observation.
Edited by VPH-G90 - 3/30/13 at 8:18am
post #5415 of 5478
I just do the white balance of my camera.
I tried all possible settings, my camera is unable to transcribe the dynamic range of light in an image of a designer.
I need to buy a better camera.
I visually compared the photo orginale with the image of my G90. It lacks any shade of color and dynamic range is complete.

My first screenshot
[img]
ORIGINAL

My new screenshot
post #5416 of 5478
Here ya go...plus i threw in an extra.

The Marquee is not warmed up yet, so I'll be doing these again later. And I'm so glad you came out to play..biggrin.gif

Also look at the guy behind and left of Leloo, check out the black helmet he has on.



Now without capturing and re-pasting for comparison. Look at the colors in the background (behind Leloo) and look at the difference in the sharpness and clarity of the lady and gent right behind Leloo..biggrin.gif




Edited by mp20748 - 3/30/13 at 12:36pm
post #5417 of 5478
Here's two for you...



post #5418 of 5478
Ok mike

ORIGINAL

My new screenshot (un touched) smile.gif
post #5419 of 5478
ORIGINAL

My screenshot

ORIGINAL

my screenshot
post #5420 of 5478
Quote:
Originally Posted by VPH-G90 View Post

lol mike

Your screenshot (curt palme forum) FULL 1080P @ 72hz - 100% RAW / un-touched
[img]
ORIGINAL

My screenshot 1920x817p96


Me too, i can't see the full range of colors - colors like brown, and various shades of brown to include yellows (look at Leloos shirt and the flowers around her neck) and its many shades to name a few in your screenshot...
About 189 MHz pixel clock are necessary to obtain 1920x817p96 is about 95-100 MHz video bandwidth.
We have not reached the 135 MHz video bandwidth G90. However, I confirm that in excess of 80 MHz video bandwidth it becomes complicated to adjust certain parameters (such as electro-magnetic focus).
But remain seriously, it is difficult to anayser as you do any problems of color shades and full range of colors from a screenshot that does not represent reality. For the moment my camera can not transcribe the whole dynamic of my image ... I'm working on improving my camera settings (iso exposure time).


Cencio you are right, in my screenshot there is light pink charge.
the problem has been located, it is the feast of the white balance of my camera was wrong. good observation.

Thanks for the grating. I spend a lot of time to observe my pj image to search the right way to reply the MP reference images. But I have your problem too.
I haven't a great feeling with the camera. At this time I obteined images like MP reference images but my camera doesn't freeze the same colors: so them appear with green or blue dominance. I bought a new 35 mm lens for my Nikon D60.
But I haven't find the right settings to take good and real pics like images done.
I would like some your help a out this.
It is very difficult doesn't acknowledge that MP images are absolutely the reference: look for the image with Liloos and see the woman in the second floor on the right and the subject on the left. Wonderful
post #5421 of 5478
Vincenzo try the following settings:

Manual mode
1/30 shutter speed
f2.8 aperture
ISO 800
Natural Picture Mode (N)
White balance Auto or Cloudy and if the D60 allows you to use a custom white balance play with the 6250K and 6670K.

You can play around with these, but remember that in order to maintain the same exposure, all parameters interact. You could try for example:1/15, f2.8, ISO 400 which will look better on your D60, but the 1/15 may be causing you some motion blur if you shoot handheld. If you are using a tripod, you would have no problem.

Let me know if you need any help, since I am very familiar with Nikon DSLRs.

Nicholas
post #5422 of 5478
Many thanks Nicholas,
I will try in the next weekend
post #5423 of 5478
I forgot to ask you: do you have the red C element on the red tube?
post #5424 of 5478
Vincenzo,
When I get some time I will post pictures showing you how to remove the RED (only) CRT assembly from the Marquee and how to replace the C element without changing out or removing the fluid.
Edited by mp20748 - 4/1/13 at 4:48am
post #5425 of 5478
Shots from Digital Video Essentials

My 02 VIM - 1920X1080P

I'm gearing up for a calibration later this week.













post #5426 of 5478
Getting away from eye setup, to now dialing in the color balance..





post #5427 of 5478
Quote:
Originally Posted by VPH-G90 View Post

I tried all possible settings, my camera is unable to transcribe the dynamic range of light in an image of a designer.
I need to buy a better camera. I visually compared the photo orginale with the image of my G90. It lacks any shade of color and dynamic range is complete.
This is very normal.
Even very high end cameras do not have enough stops (dynamic range) to capture the range from black to white that we see on the screens.
The only way to do it is to combine images using HDR (high dynamic range). This is a process in photography where you take multiple photos at different exposures and then combine them. It's the only way to truly show a dynamic range similar to what we see with the human eye. Some cameras can now do HDR automatically by quickly taking multiple shots. They're used extensively by Real Estate Agents when putting houses up for sale as they're quick & easy. They'd probably be ideal for someone who wants to take good screenshots but not have to learn how to use photoshop or similar by taking manual separate photos and combining them.

Kal
post #5428 of 5478
I'm in agreement with Kal. The camera is limited. And it can become very complicated to get things closer.

That's why I simply post right from the camera. So no software or Photo-shop fixing for me. It is what it is, captured from a $99.00 point and shoot camera.

However, now that Ive started dialing my colors in, the camera is also starting to show the "Pop" that's so related to a better calibrated setup.




Edited by mp20748 - 4/4/13 at 5:20am
post #5429 of 5478
Doing something like HDR (High Dynamic Range) through multiple exposures is simple to do and gives you more of what the eye actually sees. Take the example of a black cat sitting on white snow:

If you set your camera exposure longer you're going to get great black detail in the cat but crush whites thus losing all detail in the white snow.
If you set your camera exposure shorter you're going to get great white detail in the snow but crush blacks thus losing all detail in the black cat.

Neither is what you acutally see in person because your eyes have a wider dynamic range (contrast ratio) than the camera.

But combine the two and it starts to look more like what you actually see.

Quote:
It is what it is, captured from a $99.00 point and shoot camera.

Yup. That's why screenshots need to be taken with a giant grain of salt. People need to keep in mind that's impossible to capture the range and detail you see in an $8-10K digital projector with a $99 camera, let alone a CRT projector that used to cost $30-50K new.

Kal
post #5430 of 5478
So, Mike and Kal, which is the right camera to take our shoots?
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