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XA2 FW update....When?

post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
Sorry if I missed this, but do we have a estimate on when the FW update to enable 1080/24p and bitstream support is coming out?
post #2 of 40
Toshiba announced way way back that it would be Sept 6.
post #3 of 40
Wow. Due next week. Be interesting to see how it finally works.
post #4 of 40
Thread Starter 
Nice! Hoping BB has a XA2 for me this afternoon


One more question for you guys if you know the answer.....with the update on the XA2 to pass bitstream audio for DD+, TrueHD, DTS-MA is the XA2 (with whatever HDMI version it has) capable of up to 7.1 bitstream passthrough or would it be limited to 5.1 for bitsream ouput of codecs like TrueHD, DTS-MA?
I would think 7.1, but maybe you guys know something I dont?
post #5 of 40
Don't count on bitstream audio yet.

Toshiba confirmed to a German Audio mag that in Europe three fw upgrades will be done over the net couple of months:

First 24p
Second bitstream audio

These might be a combined opdate after all but I could not find any confirmation on that.
Also the US fw release might be handled differently.


Final
Support for 50p to support European based content to avoid frame rate conversions.
post #6 of 40
Hi guys -

I'm a new HD owner (in fact, the player hasn't even arrived yet!), so please forgive my noob question.

How do owners get the firmware updates? Is there a site to download & burn onto a DVD-R?, or are discs sent our from Tosh?

Also, how do I know what firmware version I am running right out of the box?

Thanks.
post #7 of 40
You can either do it via Ethernet straight to the player or request a hard copy from Toshiba.

As for the question at hand, I would like to know what the new update would do other than 24fps. I want to upgrade my A1, but can't decide between the XA2 (waiting for the firmware update), the A35 or the new Onkyo. Might just go for the Onkyo.
post #8 of 40
Hook up your player to the internet via the ethernet port in the back, or download the ISO from Toshiba's website and slowburn to a CD, or just let Toshiba sent you a firmware CD.
post #9 of 40
i hope if you went to bb today u used the 12% of the store price. i did :-)
post #10 of 40
So, is there another fimware upgrade for the XA2 coming soon. Robert from Value Elctronics recently hinted that their will be an update ginving the XA2 1080p/24 and a few other goodies.

Is this still the plaN??

Craig
post #11 of 40
I hope they will include the A20, and hope they will not delay again like in the spring.
post #12 of 40
"with the update on the XA2 to pass bitstream audio for DD+, TrueHD, DTS-MA "

I thought there was a question about the DTS-MA upgrade, is it just as expected as the DD+/THD?
post #13 of 40
Screw 1080p/24 - give us a resume play feature that works after powering down the deck on a standard DVD. A minuscule percentage of users need 24 frame playback, but EVERYONE can use basic disc resume functionality that the cheapest players around can manage without having a heart attack.

This isn't a nitpicky thing to me. It's absolutely inexcusable that such an expensive piece of flagship electronics lacks the simplest usability feature and I can't believe that so many have silently accepted such a feature deficit. Yeah, it's a nice picture, but it's like stepping back to 1999 on usability. I'm not paying top dollar for crippled functionality.
post #14 of 40
I've had my XA-2 for a week now and have only played a few movies. I tried to use the resume with a HD DVD after powering down and it didn't seem to work. I believe the sequence I went through was to hit STOP and then POWER DOWN. Then I POWERED UP and I hit the RESUME PLAY. As I recall the movie just continued to run through the normal startup sequence as though there is no resume.
Can someone tell me how to get it to work with an HD DVD? Thanks

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Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post

Screw 1080p/24 - give us a resume play feature that works after powering down the deck on a standard DVD. A minuscule percentage of users need 24 frame playback, but EVERYONE can use basic disc resume functionality that the cheapest players around can manage without having a heart attack.

This isn't a nitpicky thing to me. It's absolutely inexcusable that such an expensive piece of flagship electronics lacks the simplest usability feature and I can't believe that so many have silently accepted such a feature deficit. Yeah, it's a nice picture, but it's like stepping back to 1999 on usability. I'm not paying top dollar for crippled functionality.
post #15 of 40
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Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post

Screw 1080p/24 - give us a resume play feature that works after powering down the deck on a standard DVD. A minuscule percentage of users need 24 frame playback, but EVERYONE can use basic disc resume functionality that the cheapest players around can manage without having a heart attack.

This isn't a nitpicky thing to me. It's absolutely inexcusable that such an expensive piece of flagship electronics lacks the simplest usability feature and I can't believe that so many have silently accepted such a feature deficit. Yeah, it's a nice picture, but it's like stepping back to 1999 on usability. I'm not paying top dollar for crippled functionality.

Unfortunately, on this forum more people crave a 1080p/24 update
opposed to a resume play feature.

On the other hand the ordinary person probably doesn't even know
what 1080p/24 is. Both are equally important depending on your needs.
post #16 of 40
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Originally Posted by tristan2 View Post

I've had my XA-2 for a week now and have only played a few movies. I tried to use the resume with a HD DVD after powering down and it didn't seem to work. I believe the sequence I went through was to hit STOP and then POWER DOWN. Then I POWERED UP and I hit the RESUME PLAY. As I recall the movie just continued to run through the normal startup sequence as though there is no resume.
Can someone tell me how to get it to work with an HD DVD? Thanks

If i remember correctly the resume feature for an HD DVD disc is disc
specific, meaning it has to implemented as a feature within the disc.

I could be wrong but I think this is the reason why resume works on some discs and not others.
post #17 of 40
My beef is with standard DVDs. You know, the format that I have about 1000 discs in compared to the dozen HD DVDs I have. I know that HD DVDs barf on resuming - another lame design failure on the part of whoever effed that up - but for standard discs, it's ridiculous. I'm ready to take this thing back over this one single design failure. No, I'm not being petty either. This is on the order of buying a Corvette and finding out that because they didn't include a windshield you're going to have bugs in your teeth. Yugos have windshields; Toshibas should have disc resume!
post #18 of 40
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Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post

Screw 1080p/24 - give us a resume play feature that works after powering down the deck on a standard DVD. A minuscule percentage of users need 24 frame playback, but EVERYONE can use basic disc resume functionality that the cheapest players around can manage without having a heart attack.

This isn't a nitpicky thing to me. It's absolutely inexcusable that such an expensive piece of flagship electronics lacks the simplest usability feature and I can't believe that so many have silently accepted such a feature deficit. Yeah, it's a nice picture, but it's like stepping back to 1999 on usability. I'm not paying top dollar for crippled functionality.

Hi Dirk,

The resume function is not a problem with the player. The Toshiba is capable of it today. The reason you cannot resume is that function was not mastered into the Disc's themselves. More correctly the the use of HDi, and BD-J in the case of Blu Ray, for the interactive menus is preventing the use of the resume function. When the disc's load they load up the interactive programs right from the beginning again and have no idea where you left off.

Both platforms have this issue and it won't be corrected on the disc mastering side for some time.
post #19 of 40
Dennis: Kindly re-read my post directly above yours (as well as the one you quoted) to see that I'm raging about STANDARD DVDs. The fact resume has to be mastered into the HD/BD discs is stupid enough and not Toshiba's fault, but I'm talking about standard discs, OK? Standard DVDs. What's the problem, Toshiba?
post #20 of 40
wow, someone needs a nap
post #21 of 40
+1
post #22 of 40
I have to say I'm with Dirk on this one. The whole "it has to be mastered into the disc itself" argument has never made much sense to me since resume play on standard DVD's don't work either (i.e., if it is "mastered into those discs, it should work and if the resume for standard DVD's is hardware based...well then, that's old technology and should've easily been instituted - at least for std DVD's).

Based on that, I don't see how the "not mastered into the disc" argument works at all sine it doesn't resume on discs that do that just fine on 5+ year old players.

It shopuld've been addressed by this point. It's been a complaint sine the A1.
post #23 of 40
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Originally Posted by octogon View Post

I hope they will include the A20, and hope they will not delay again like in the spring.

it is for the xa2,and the a20,not the a2
post #24 of 40
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Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post

My beef is with standard DVDs. You know, the format that I have about 1000 discs in compared to the dozen HD DVDs I have. I know that HD DVDs barf on resuming - another lame design failure on the part of whoever effed that up - but for standard discs, it's ridiculous. I'm ready to take this thing back over this one single design failure. No, I'm not being petty either. This is on the order of buying a Corvette and finding out that because they didn't include a windshield you're going to have bugs in your teeth. Yugos have windshields; Toshibas should have disc resume!

Just take it back and buy it when all the players have everything you want.
Simple
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by ckelly33 View Post

I have to say I'm with Dirk on this one. The whole "it has to be mastered into the disc itself" argument has never made much sense to me since resume play on standard DVD's don't work either (i.e., if it is "mastered into those discs, it should work and if the resume for standard DVD's is hardware based...well then, that's old technology and should've easily been instituted - at least for std DVD's).

Based on that, I don't see how the "not mastered into the disc" argument works at all sine it doesn't resume on discs that do that just fine on 5+ year old players.

It shopuld've been addressed by this point. It's been a complaint sine the A1.

That's strange, the resume function works correctly for me on my A20 with standard DVD's.
post #26 of 40
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Originally Posted by yellowcanary73 View Post

Just take it back and buy it when all the players have everything you want. Simple

Quitting. Yeah, that's a helpful response. Will the A35 have the same level of image quality? Hell, will it be able to resume?!? There doesn't seem to be any interest on the part of Toshiba or its acolytes for this feature being implemented.

I know this may seem picayune to those who think nothing of spending $50,000 on a home theater fed by a device incapable of duplicating the functionality of a $50 Symphonic POS, but if anything, it's a shock that people who are so demanding about visual details that 99.44% of the population wouldn't notice if you pointed them out simply shrug as they have to hunt around for where they left off in the three-hour-long movie they couldn't finish last night.

If the XA2 was a $50 player, no one would accept this sort of feature gap. No one. It'd be considered junk. However, slap a $799 price tag on it and it's not a problem and anyone who doesn't like it can go pound sand. Crazy. As my girlfriend says, "You'd think that a more expensive player would do MORE, not LESS." The lady has a point.

My old Sony was a poky starter, so the fact the XA2 is slower than the 360 add-on isn't a deal-breaker. That the XA2 can't remember the resume points on 40 discs like the $130 Sony isn't unreasonable because the Sony was a freak like that. But for the want of a bit of functionality that is so basic, so fundamental, so frigging obvious that I can't believe no one hasn't complained significantly about it before, this otherwise spiffy bit of kit may be heading back to the store leaving me bereft of an otherwise solid piece of hardware. Pitiful. Simply tragically pitiful.
post #27 of 40
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Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post

Quitting. Yeah, that's a helpful response. Will the A35 have the same level of image quality? Hell, will it be able to resume?!? There doesn't seem to be any interest on the part of Toshiba or its acolytes for this feature being implemented.

I know this may seem picayune to those who think nothing of spending $50,000 on a home theater fed by a device incapable of duplicating the functionality of a $50 Symphonic POS, but if anything, it's a shock that people who are so demanding about visual details that 99.44% of the population wouldn't notice if you pointed them out simply shrug as they have to hunt around for where they left off in the three-hour-long movie they couldn't finish last night.

If the XA2 was a $50 player, no one would accept this sort of feature gap. No one. It'd be considered junk. However, slap a $799 price tag on it and it's not a problem and anyone who doesn't like it can go pound sand. Crazy. As my girlfriend says, "You'd think that a more expensive player would do MORE, not LESS." The lady has a point.

My old Sony was a poky starter, so the fact the XA2 is slower than the 360 add-on isn't a deal-breaker. That the XA2 can't remember the resume points on 40 discs like the $130 Sony isn't unreasonable because the Sony was a freak like that. But for the want of a bit of functionality that is so basic, so fundamental, so frigging obvious that I can't believe no one hasn't complained significantly about it before, this otherwise spiffy bit of kit may be heading back to the store leaving me bereft of an otherwise solid piece of hardware. Pitiful. Simply tragically pitiful.

Man the worlds not going to end take a nap or something.
post #28 of 40
Heh. My g/f just called to say she watched a couple of DVDs and that she thought the picture was noticeably better. She thought the remote's ergonomics were clunky and it seemed slower than the old deck, but she said the image was better. She NEVER notices this sort of stuff and is hard pressed to appreciate the difference between standard and HD discs and she could see it. Great. Still doesn't excuse the stupid lack of resume, dammit!
post #29 of 40
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Originally Posted by DirkBelig View Post

Heh. My g/f just called to say she watched a couple of DVDs and that she thought the picture was noticeably better. She thought the remote's ergonomics were clunky and it seemed slower than the old deck, but she said the image was better. She NEVER notices this sort of stuff and is hard pressed to appreciate the difference between standard and HD discs and she could see it. Great. Still doesn't excuse the stupid lack of resume, dammit!

see, you made the person who matters most happy, thats all that matters
post #30 of 40
"Unfortunately, on this forum more people crave a 1080p/24 update opposed to a resume play feature."

Speak for yourself. I'm not one of them.
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