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post #211 of 12876
It is a good unit. I know it is a little clunky, slow to respond with remote commands and does take a seocnd or two for audio after a pause. But I just want the bitstream and 1080p/23.98! I can forgive everything else. I will either return mine or sell it soon when the Pioneer comes so I can live with it for awhile.
post #212 of 12876
2400 not on Samsung site and gone for pre order on ABT site?? What gives? Anyone know why?
post #213 of 12876
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

It is a good unit. I know it is a little clunky, slow to respond with remote commands and does take a seocnd or two for audio after a pause. But I just want the bitstream and 1080p/23.98! I can forgive everything else. I will either return mine or sell it soon when the Pioneer comes so I can live with it for awhile.

Joe what feature set on the Pioneer (95 I assume) is compelling to replace the 1400? Thanks
post #214 of 12876
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Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post

Not next month -- November!

So it's been delayed. I show an arrival of 3rd week in October. Oh well.
post #215 of 12876
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Originally Posted by QCamera View Post

sbass2513@hughes,

Do you experience long load time on menu and start up as "Brad Ley" described here?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post11670613

Do you experience any problem? If possible, can you give us your verdict on the 1400? Thanks.

QCamera, I am kind of new to this area. I purchased a P1200 player from Circuit City about 3 weeks ago. I took it back yesterday and got the P1400 when I started reading that the 1400 had the firmware update to output DTS Master and True HD. My experience is therefore limited, but the 1400 has exactly the same load times and response times that my 1200 had. I have had no problems with the audio or video and both are excellent in my opinion, as inexperienced as it might be. Hope this helps!
post #216 of 12876
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Originally Posted by Brad Ley View Post

So after reading the news of this player's abilities yesterday, I immediately ran over to Best Buy to pick one up to link to my not so old Denon 3808CI. I've owned the original Samsung 1000, a Panasonic BD10 (which is sitting in the garage), and a PS3 (which was in use until yesterday). I took out the PS3, hooked the 1400 up in its place and proceeded to go through a stack of Blu-ray discs to test all kinds of aspects of this player (X3, Kingdom of Heaven, Crank, Stargate, TMNT, Ghost Rider, Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Hoosiers, The Sentinel...).

Wow was I completely disappointed in this player! Not the quality of the video or audio upgrades, but the functionality and ease of the use of the player itself. I've been using the PS3 for the past 8 months, but is this the state of the art in terms of stand alone BD players?

First off, this thing makes my XA2 seem quick and responsive. This Samsung is sluggish and kind of frustrating to use. While the load times MIGHT be similar to the XA2, the flashing dots indicating the disc is loading actually made me more aware of how long this thing took. It took me 4 minutes from the insertion of the disc to the menu screen of Pirates 2. That's unacceptable... plain and simple. I also encountered discs where selecting the main menu from the movie would mark the return of the loading dots. Very annoying and, again, unacceptable once the disc has started playing.

Secondly, there is nothing of value to the player's OSD. One of the things I hated about the Panasonic (other than the player's inability to open the tray with the remote), was the lack of any viewable remaining time on the disc. Sometimes (not all the time, but occasionally) when I watch a film, I might hit the display button to see how much of the film (or extras) are left. It annoys me to no end that the Samsung doesn't provide such a simple feature. In fact, I have to pause the movie to see the time status on screen.

And finally, while I might be able to live with the above quirks given enough motivation, the following is a class A, numero uno, no bones about it deal breaker. There is a 4 second lag between when video appears on screen and when my receiver receives a bitstream and sound appears. This is happening regardless of format (DTS-MA, TrueHD, DTS-ES, Dolby 5.1, Dolby 2.0, PCM). It happens on both BD and DVD. Any change and the audio bitstream drops out. This was especially aggravating when jumping from chapter to chapter in a film or when leaving the film to go to the menu. The PS3, the XA2, and my DVR all send out audio bitstreams almost instantaneous, so I know it's not the Denon. While 4 seconds might not seem like a long time, it is where I live. This was also an issue with the Onkyo receivers (I had originally purchased the 805 but returned it because I couldn't stand the bitstream drop outs, delayed audio locks, and speaker pops). I just can't stand listening to silence only to have the audio pop in mid-sentence.

Now, while I'm completely unhappy with the Samsung 1400, I'm sure there are others who are completely thrilled by it. I'm not saying any of this to denigrate their purchase decisions or their opinions. I'm merely laying out my severe disappointment as a warning to others who might be bothered by similar things as myself. Giving people differing opinions, nothing more.

I have been considering it as a mate for the 3808 myself. I want the bitstream going into my Denon too... thought this might be the right mate. I guess I have to wait for another one.
post #217 of 12876
Got my first 1400 yesterday at CC turned out to be bad, would not get past the load screen, just freeze and after 10 minutes nothing! I reset and fooled around and got it to work, but if I left it off for 15 minutes or longer same thing would freeze at the loading screen on front display.

Swapped it out for another one and this one works great, like everyone says a little slow but I can only think Samsung will improve this with future firmware. They managed to give us the HD audio so quick I can only be optimistic in them improving this 1400 even more since it's such a new player.
post #218 of 12876
The few people that have been able to enjoy DTS-HD-MA mention the improvements are substantial. Since they can tell the difference between the core and the actual MA track, can you please check if the player support internal decoding of DTS-HD-MA?

I know Samsung never claimed this player would but hey, they never claimed it would do bitstream either.
post #219 of 12876
Again... how can we test it? I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but the core will be decoded either way so there's no magic lights to tell us. It would have to be on sound differences alone.
post #220 of 12876
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Originally Posted by madpoet View Post

Again... how can we test it? I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but the core will be decoded either way so there's no magic lights to tell us. It would have to be on sound differences alone.

Excuse my ignorance but can they receiver tell you. Perhaps by displaying the bitrate or sampling frequency, I think my Onkyo 875 does this.
post #221 of 12876
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It would have to be on sound differences alone.

Exactly. When you listened to the MA track on X-Man for the first time, to you did it sound better than the 1.5 core track? If the improvement are not that significant then no, we can't run this test but if it is then should be very simple.
post #222 of 12876
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Exactly. When you listened to the MA track on X-Man for the first time, to you did it sound better than the 1.5 core track? If the improvement are not that significant then no, we can't run this test but if it is then should be very simple.

So someone hurry and buy a player... not upgrade it... listen to X3 10 times full through and then upgrade and listen to the MA track.
post #223 of 12876
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So someone hurry and buy a player... not upgrade it... listen to X3 10 times full through and then upgrade and listen to the MA track.

Not really. Just switch the audio output between PCM & bitstream if you have a receiver capable of decoding DTS-HD-MA (joerod, madpoet among others have this capability). No need to watch the whole movie either. A good 30 sec. scene will do.

Oh well it was just a suggestion. It would've been nice to see if Samsung gave us another surprise.
post #224 of 12876
Is this new DTS HD MA, True HD and DD+ capability via HDMI or 5.1ch analog outputs (or both)?
post #225 of 12876
TrueHD & DD+ via HDMI & 5.1ch analog output. For now it is confirmed DTS-HD-MA via HDMI only but you'll need a receiver with MA decoding.
post #226 of 12876
Thanks. Anyone know if the Panny XR700 has the necessary decoding?
post #227 of 12876
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

Thanks. Anyone know if the Panny XR700 has the necessary decoding?

The Panasonic does not decode DTS-HD MA.
post #228 of 12876
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Not really. Just switch the audio output between PCM & bitstream if you have a receiver capable of decoding DTS-HD-MA (joerod, madpoet among others have this capability). No need to watch the whole movie either. A good 30 sec. scene will do.

Oh well it was just a suggestion. It would've been nice to see if Samsung gave us another surprise.

No... but you would KNOW the movie and the differences. Plus, you would really know the difference between dts core over hdmi and dts-ma
post #229 of 12876
Here are a couple of shots of DTS HD MA & DolbyTrueHD material playing through my Samsung 1400 (on a Denon 3808):

X3: The last Stand:



5th Element:



While not night and day compared to the DTS core (X3) the are noticable improvements.

As this unit can be had for well under $500, I'd give it a thumbs up on bang for your buck right now (if you have a 1.3 HDMI AVR).
post #230 of 12876
The 1400 is the BEST next gen bargain player available today!
post #231 of 12876
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

The Panasonic does not decode DTS-HD MA.

How about TrueHD or DD+?
post #232 of 12876
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

How about TrueHD or DD+?

yes
post #233 of 12876
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

The 1400 is the BEST next gen bargain player available today!

Right up 'till the 2400 is on-line... then HQV baby!!!! and for just $100 MSRP.
post #234 of 12876
check it out, I have waited for over a year for this, a player with a direct 1080p/24 output and bistream audio output via HDMI 1.3, the Samsung is my new player

this is my Onkyo 885/Integra DTC-9.8 pre-amp





-Gary
post #235 of 12876
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

Right up 'till the 2400 is on-line... then HQV baby!!!! and for just $100 MSRP.

Excuse my ignorance. What is HDQ? By $100 RSRP do you mean the 2400 is $100 more than the 1400 but has everything else essentially the same? I am debating over whether to wait or get the 1400 now.

Thanks,

Bill
post #236 of 12876
Ok, it's time for people to give some reviews of the differences they are hearing in DTS-MA compared to the core and how it compares to other PCM or DTHD tracks.

Any volunteers?
post #237 of 12876
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Originally Posted by bsaxon View Post

Excuse my ignorance. What is HDQ? By $100 RSRP do you mean the 2400 is $100 more than the 1400 but has everything else essentially the same? I am debating over whether to wait or get the 1400 now.

Thanks,

Bill

HQV= Hollywood Quality Video
post #238 of 12876
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

check it out, I have waited for over a year for this, a player with a direct 1080p/24 output and bistream audio output via HDMI 1.3, the Samsung is my new player

this is my Onkyo 885/Integra DTC-9.8 pre-amp

-Gary

I've been waiting for the same thing (although my projector is only 720P). Now I've got to resist the temptation to pick-up the 1400 since I really want the 2400 or 5000. My Onkyo 705 is desperate for some HR bitstream audio...hopefully Toshiba will come through with the XA2 upgrade shortly.
post #239 of 12876
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

yes

The XR700 does not decode DD+ or TrueHD, it can however recognize it if it's converted to PCM.
post #240 of 12876
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

The XR700 does not decode DD+ or TrueHD, it can however recognize it if it's converted to PCM.

my apologies, I thought he was referring to the Panny BD player and what it decoded

-Gary
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