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post #2251 of 12884
oh wait I just discovered something do I have to download version 1.1 also or is this part of the 1.2 update? if so do I have to install 1.1 and then 1.2 again?
post #2252 of 12884
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Originally Posted by DARTH DLP View Post

oh wait I just discovered something do I have to download version 1.1 also or is this part of the 1.2 update? if so do I have to install 1.1 and then 1.2 again?

1.2 is sufficient. 1.1 is in essence included within 1.2
post #2253 of 12884
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Originally Posted by DARTH DLP View Post

gentlemen,

I just recently purchased the BD-p1400 and am having some issues, I hope you can help. I just did the firmware upgrade to 1.2 , however the real problem that I'm having is that my audio is not coming in at 5.1. My setup is a yamaha HTR-5860 which does not have a HDMI port, the BD-P1400 of course and my sony KDS-R50XBR1.

now, as I have stated my reciever does not have a hdmi connection so I am hooked up from reciever to BD player by an optical cable. Which I would think so be more than enough to get a great 5.1 signal out of. My hdmi connection is linked directly to the TV.

My BD player is set to bitstream with the pcm down sampling and dynamic compression set to off. when I use the speaker setup it dosent even recognize that I have a subwoofer and the front left and right speakers go off the same time as the rear. when I put casino royale in my reciever lights up that I'm at 7.1 which by listening to it is clearly not the case but my subwoofer is working. any help on this or tweaks I could do would be greatly appreciated. thanks

Try changing to PCM on digital out instead of bitstream in audio setup.
post #2254 of 12884
do I leave the pcm down sampling and dynamic compression set to off still?
post #2255 of 12884
I am a relative newbie, so bear with me. But I want to download the latest firmware, 1.2. But what do you do once you are on the download page of the Samsung download page? Do you unzip the file? I can get on the page, but I am clueless what to do next on the download page......I followed the directions in the manual, but they say nothing about what to do on the Samsung website??? I have my ethernet ready to go with the player, but I do not know what to do next? Are there any directions that anyone can give me in detail of what to do that include the website? Once I have the website ready, I can follow the manual. Please help...I am ready as I type this to download...ugghhh!
post #2256 of 12884
I have a different receiver - Onkyo 674, and different TV - Mitsu 57831, but I set it up the exact same way you did.

The HDMI goes into the TV and the TV recognized it immediately. I did not even have to change anything in the Sammy setup.

The audio goes directly to my Onkyo amp via digital optical. That way, I can use the player to play mp3 music with the TV off. In fact I don't use the HDMI on my amp for anything at the moment. There were two things I had to do which were set it to bitstream (on the Sammy) and to make sure that the Onkyo knew that optical 2 was the DVD player. Piece of cake. My Onkyo automatically responds to inputs and displays it. It will only allow me to select sound fields that are compatable with the input. Some old SD movies that I had were 2.0 and I used PLIIx to expand them to 7.1 and one of the newer BluRays was DTS so I used that sound field. Sounded awesome. You may check each component's setting again.


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Originally Posted by DARTH DLP View Post

gentlemen,

I just recently purchased the BD-p1400 and am having some issues, I hope you can help. I just did the firmware upgrade to 1.2 , however the real problem that I'm having is that my audio is not coming in at 5.1. My setup is a yamaha HTR-5860 which does not have a HDMI port, the BD-P1400 of course and my sony KDS-R50XBR1.

now, as I have stated my reciever does not have a hdmi connection so I am hooked up from reciever to BD player by an optical cable. Which I would think so be more than enough to get a great 5.1 signal out of. My hdmi connection is linked directly to the TV.

My BD player is set to bitstream with the pcm down sampling and dynamic compression set to off. when I use the speaker setup it dosent even recognize that I have a subwoofer and the front left and right speakers go off the same time as the rear. when I put casino royale in my reciever lights up that I'm at 7.1 which by listening to it is clearly not the case but my subwoofer is working. any help on this or tweaks I could do would be greatly appreciated. thanks
post #2257 of 12884
I could not do the procedure that was in the Owners Manual since I cannot hook my unit up to a modem since I don't own one... unless you count my cell phone. So I was happy to discover that the file was available for download and that there was a pdf file with full instructions. Rather that repeat what it said, I suggest you look back at the site. You need to burn an ISO file using Nero. Generally if you have a DVD burner (my burner just happens to be a Sammy btw) it comes with a limited version of NERO. I had to install that first, after installing the Sammy DVD burner. I have had the burner since spring but never used it except for data cds, so just used Windows applet which WILL NOT WORK for an ISO file. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by peterthegreat View Post

I am a relative newbie, so bear with me. But I want to download the latest firmware, 1.2. But what do you do once you are on the download page of the Samsung download page? Do you unzip the file? I can get on the page, but I am clueless what to do next on the download page......I followed the directions in the manual, but they say nothing about what to do on the Samsung website??? I have my ethernet ready to go with the player, but I do not know what to do next? Are there any directions that anyone can give me in detail of what to do that include the website? Once I have the website ready, I can follow the manual. Please help...I am ready as I type this to download...ugghhh!
post #2258 of 12884
It looks like Samsung has tweaked the firmware? The build date is now showing as 12/04/2007.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/do...sp_nm=BD-P1400
post #2259 of 12884
I think they just updated the link to now say "US & Canada".
post #2260 of 12884
+1 above it still says V1.2
post #2261 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Humanoid1 View Post

Try changing to PCM on digital out instead of bitstream in audio setup.


tried it both ways , on PCM all it gives me is 2 channels.
post #2262 of 12884
Have you thought about maybe using the 5.1 analog in/out puts instead of the optical. This should give you better sound and allow you to pass the higher rez audio.
post #2263 of 12884
analog over a digital optical? it seems the optical would transfer more information wouldn't it?
post #2264 of 12884
has no one else ran into this problem? I can't have been the only one . it just dosen't make sense, when I try the speaker setup on the menu it's like it dosen't recognize my rear speakers and the subwoofer. although, when I put a disc in ,my reciever says that it's on 7.1 which it clearly isn't. I even put in a standard def star wars epIII and it was only producing 2 channles while my old panasonic upconverter would do a kick ass job on the audio.
post #2265 of 12884
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Originally Posted by kallyn View Post

You need to use a CD-RW will not work with a CD-R!

I've only done one! The 1.2 on 11/19, but after I figured out how to do it, it went beautifully! And my LVODH (which wouldn't play before I did the update) played just fine!

And being a 62 year-old woman with limited "technical" knowledge , this FW update thing was all new to me!

Just had to agree with those that are saying that a CD-R disc works perfectly for FW updates!
post #2266 of 12884
[quote=Sound & Vision;12400342]It looks like Samsung has tweaked the firmware? The build date is now showing as 12/04/2007.

This 12/4 build date of 1.2 doesn't look like a NEW update! Just a re-dated version of the new build on 11/29!

Am I correct on this?

I sure hope so! I'm not up to doing another one right now!
post #2267 of 12884
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Originally Posted by peterthegreat View Post

I have a question that is more of a matter of opinion, as I know it all depends on the individual and what he/she can hear. I just bought a Onkyo 605 A/V Receiver for my 1400, and I am going to use HDMI throughout the setup into the receiver and then into my Sony 46W3000. I have not done any updates with the 1400 yet. So as a matter of opinion out there, and I know you got em' , is it like night and day allowing the player to decode TrueHD via PCM (I believe this is what I have to have it set with) , vs using bitstream to the receiver to provide DTS-HD MA? Call me girl (no offense) but I have to admit I am a bit scared off from doing any updates, especially since my 1400 has been working fine. Your opinions (both good and bad) are valuable to me as I want to make a solid decision before doing any possible updates to use with my new Onkyo 605.....I'm all ears, thanks in advance!


In theory, sending TrueHD via PCM and bitstream will have zero differences. they are literally identical. I say in theory because some players (XA2 for example) has some issues sending out LFE via PCM. Apparently, the bass management problem isn't there when sending it out via bitstream. I haven't tweaked my 1400 to see if that's the case as well.
post #2268 of 12884
>>>A little background: I originally had the 1200! It didn't play certain movies (this was back in July)! So CC traded it in for me and gave me a 1400! I didn't understand at the time that the 1400 didn't have the HQV chip of the 1200 but made arrangements to trade the 1400 in if (and when) the 5000 ever came out!

CC has hooked up all my equiment because I don't have a clue! LOL!

I've had some "issues" with the 1400, but since it is new technology, I'm fairly patient! (Although at my age, perhaps I shouldn't be! LOL!)

I managed to somehow figure out how to do the 1.2 firmware update when my Die Hard 4 wouldn't play!

Boy, was I proud of myself!

Tonight, I was watching POTC3! No problems!

At one point I had to pause it for just a few seconds! (Don't dare pause it for very long, or it'll stop, and I'll have to start all over! *Sigh*!)

Went back to watching the movie!

Noticed that instead of giving me the time elapsed in the display portion of the play, it said CD-UP!

Didn't have a CLUE what that meant!

Couldn't access any of the menus!

Couldn't PAUSE it! Couldn't even STOP it!

Tried from both the remote and going up to the player to do it by hand!

Nope! The movie just kept playing and playing withe CD-UP in the display!

It would NOT turn off even - no matter what I did!!!!

Finally (scared though I was to do this! ), I pulled the plug!

Thank goodness it stopped then! LOL!

It was literally like the player had completely jammed, but not really because the movie was still playing along beautifully!

It loaded back up, and the time was displayed properly again!

Remote and all functions work again!

*Sigh*!

What was THAT all about???

Anyone have this problem before?

Anyone know what CD-UP meant in the display?

Another new "adventure" in 1400-land! LOL!
post #2269 of 12884
Received my 1400 and no LFE signal from my 5.1 analog connection. My receiver does not have HMDI inputs so I was glad that this player has 5.1 analog outputs. Checked and rechecked and nothing during Stealth and with the test tones. Brought my other reciever which has a dvd player with 5.1 analogs connected to it so to make sure that it was not the receiver and nothing. WTF. Called Samsung and they told me that it was a defective unit. Other then that problem I really liked the unit. Upconverted SD looked great and the unit was more responsive then my A1. Load times are slow but not as slow as my A1. I am sending it back to Amazon and will try another brand. Also when I activated the anynet feature with my Samsung 65f the remote would not respond. I had to disable that feature in my LCD and the player. CS is a joke with Samsung. No help with either my TV or this player. Anyone else had this problem with the subwoofer output?
post #2270 of 12884
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Originally Posted by DARTH DLP View Post

tried it both ways , on PCM all it gives me is 2 channels.

use dolby prologic 2 on your reciever, hopefully we will gat that fixed on firmware 1.3
post #2271 of 12884
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Originally Posted by DARTH DLP View Post

analog over a digital optical? it seems the optical would transfer more information wouldn't it?

Darth, analog IS better than using your digital optical. Your BDP will decode the Dolby HD signal for you and output thru your 6 Channel outputs. This is the only way to get the higher fidelity audio which BluRay has without using HDMI. You can NOT get Dolby HD or similar HD audio formats thru toslink since it cannot handle that much bandwith. Although if you do use toslink the audio carried over that thru BluRay bandwith is higher than that as compared to DVD. So either way it is an improvement over DVD. Highest audio will come thru HDMI followed by 6 Channel analog followed by toslink optical.

as to your other problem of trying to get a signal thru your toslink optical connection. Your settings should be as follows:
digital output = bitstream
pcm down sampling = off
dynamic compression = off

if you read in the manual they will explain down sampling and dynamic compression. But if you have a decent receiver you will prolly want these set to off as indicated above.

You don't use the speaker setup unless you are using the 6 channel audio outputs. So for toslink optical the signal is run thru your receiver's processor and will play how you have already balanced your surround sound speakers thru the reciever setup controls. You use the speaker setup only because your receiver's only job is to amplify the signal that is coming to it. It does not run thru your receiver's processor and thus is not subject to your balanced speaker levels already set thru your receiver.
post #2272 of 12884
[quote=laddieluv;12400950]
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Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

It looks like Samsung has tweaked the firmware? The build date is now showing as 12/04/2007.

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Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post


This 12/4 build date of 1.2 doesn't look like a NEW update! Just a re-dated version of the new build on 11/29!

Am I correct on this?

I sure hope so! I'm not up to doing another one right now!

the website still shows 1.2 with a date of 19NOV07
Where is this 12/4 version popping up at?
post #2273 of 12884
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Darth, analog IS better than using your digital optical. Your BDP will decode the Dolby HD signal for you and output thru your 6 Channel outputs. This is the only way to get the higher fidelity audio which BluRay has without using HDMI. You can NOT get Dolby HD or similar HD audio formats thru toslink since it cannot handle that much bandwith. Although if you do use toslink the audio carried over that thru BluRay bandwith is higher than that as compared to DVD. So either way it is an improvement over DVD. Highest audio will come thru HDMI followed by 6 Channel analog followed by toslink optical.

wow, that's incredibly dissapointing but thanks for the info. so how would you link it up. I have my sub connected to the reciever for use with the TV also ,how do I do a multiple link with the sub to use in conjunction with the component to the BDP?

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as to your other problem of trying to get a signal thru your toslink optical connection. Your settings should be as follows:
digital output = bitstream
pcm down sampling = off
dynamic compression = off

this is how I have had it set up from the beggining , however while it is working on surround the rear speakers are just mimicing what the front are doing it dosen't sound like true surround.
post #2274 of 12884
as long as your receiver has 6 channel inputs ( i checked and your model has 6/8 channel inputs) one of the inputs will be a subwoofer input. That will play thru your sub out. So you don't need to change any speaker connections. Just get some rca cables, 6 to be exact and you connect Center out on BluRay to your Yamaha Center input, fronts and surrounds (not surround back) and subwoofer connections likewise. I think you will like how this sounds as it is better than toslink. I don't have a hdmi receiver yet either and I used my toslink connector first and then I tried the 6 channel input and I definitely like the analog connection best. If you really wanted to hook up your back surrounds you could use a y-adapter off of your surrounds but 5.1 should sound pretty darn good.
post #2275 of 12884
post #2276 of 12884
thanks Buk
post #2277 of 12884
I'm very happy with the picture quality of my Samsung 1400, Its connnected via HDMI cable to my Samsung 46" LNT4665F LCD TV. My questions has to do with the picture quality that I have seen at the stores (BB,CC) I have tried the same movies that they are playing at the stores (on Samsung or Sony LCD TVs) and I can not quite replicate the PQ that I see at the stores...my best attempt to describe this is that the people's faces and bodies have a more three dimensional look or like a documentary, its hard to describe this, but I have tried different setting on my TV (I even copied some of the setting from one store display Samsung TV) and on the player including playiung them in 24fps or 60fps and I just can't get the same PQ that I have experienced at the store.

I know the players that were at the store displays was either the Samsung BDP1400 or the Sony BSP300 (I think I got the model right the $399 unit)

Can anyone comment on this?

Thanks
post #2278 of 12884
Thanks to Buknakyd and RamalamaB for your answers on digital audio settings! For the first time I was able to get 5.1 surround from my el cheapo Sony DAV-HDX501W home-theatre-in-a-box that wasn't made up by the sound processor! Using bitstream and a digital coaxial cable works for me. (Optical probably would have worked, but I already had that input hooked to another DVD player. I still can't seem to coax surround of of that other player. Confusing stuff!) And also thanks to DARTH DLP for asking the question that I never seemed to get around to posting.

I'm sure it's not the best surround sound, but it's the best I've ever heard! I was considering plunking down several thousand $ for a new sound system. Now this one will keep me happy for quite a while longer!

Thanks again!

Reg
post #2279 of 12884
I would like to run some calibration signals through my system and was wondering if I could get to the oft-mentioned Sony (7669) calibration menu using this player. Has anyone been able to get that screen to come up using the BD-P1400? If so, can you please provide explicit instructions on how to do it? The only titles I have that appear to be from Sony are RV and Stealth. If someone can tell me how to access the screens from one or both of these titles, I will be greatly appreciative!

TIA!

Reg
post #2280 of 12884
as long as it's a sony pictures movie, it works. I did it last night with superbad
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