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post #3661 of 12884
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Originally Posted by purple pimpernel View Post

Thank you for your promt respose. I intend to use HDMI, so those "issues" should not affect me then?

Not a problem. Enjoy the 1400. The PS3 is a very competent BD 1.1 player. However if your quest for the holy grail is the latest audio codec options, then 1400 is the perfect candidate, without costing an arm and a leg. This is where the 1400 outshined the PS3 (and probably most of the HD-DVD players and some BD players, if you want to add to the list for comparison of not just the 'core' decoding of DTS-HD and bitstream options). I'm not badmouthing HD-DVDs in anyway. As a matter of fact, I love HD-DVD and for everything else. Just need to have bitstreaming options for the lower tier of HD-DVD players. Just my opinion tho and comparing to the 1400, fellow Purple-rians.
post #3662 of 12884
So I am running 5.1 analog out:
If I select Bitstream;
Dolby TrueHD =???
DTS HD=??
Uncompressed=???

If I select PCM;
Dolby TrueHD=???
DTS HD??
Uncompressed=???

This would be awesome info for me and would help to me beyond belief.
post #3663 of 12884
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Originally Posted by pettit03 View Post

So I am running 5.1 analog out:
If I select Bitstream;
Dolby TrueHD =???
DTS HD=??
Uncompressed=???

If I select PCM;
Dolby TrueHD=???
DTS HD??
Uncompressed=???

This would be awesome info for me and would help to me beyond belief.

I'm using my 1400 with HDMI and not analog audio, so I may not be right on the mark, but here goes. If you use analog multichannel, I don't think it matters whether you set to Bitstream or PCM. All you ever get from the analog multichannel outputs is PCM that the player has decoded from the selected codec. Now, since the 1400 can't decode DTS-HD MA (just DTS-MA HR), you'll get the DTS core decoded to PCM in that case.

I'm sure that if I got this wrong, someone will let you know fast! (donning flame suit now....)
post #3664 of 12884
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

What television are you using? Are you connecting directly to the TV or via a receiver?

Sharp 46" Aqous
post #3665 of 12884
The TV (Sharp 46" Aquos) and (Sansung BD-1400) BLU-RAY DVD player are attached to my Pioneer VSX-94TXH A/V receiver via HDMI cables.
post #3666 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

I'm using my 1400 with HDMI and not analog audio, so I may not be right on the mark, but here goes. If you use analog multichannel, I don't think it matters whether you set to Bitstream or PCM. All you ever get from the analog multichannel outputs is PCM that the player has decoded from the selected codec. Now, since the 1400 can't decode DTS-HD MA (just DTS-MA HR), you'll get the DTS core decoded to PCM in that case.

I'm sure that if I got this wrong, someone will let you know fast! (donning flame suit now....)

You got it right. MCH analog outs will always be outputting whatever audio track has been selected from the disc menu for playback up to the decoding ability of the the player. Technically, the MCH analogs are not outputting PCM, they are putting out the analog waveform that has gone through a D to A conversion from the PCM stream.
post #3667 of 12884
Quote:
Originally Posted by pettit03 View Post

So I am running 5.1 analog out:
If I select Bitstream;
Dolby TrueHD =???
DTS HD=??
Uncompressed=???

If I select PCM;
Dolby TrueHD=???
DTS HD??
Uncompressed=???

This would be awesome info for me and would help to me beyond belief.

Rolls-Royce answered you correctly. However, there is a problem currently when using multichannel analogs and it concerns LFE output to the subwoofer. The problem is that each time the 1400 is powered OFF, the speaker settings are lost.

Upon powering ON the 1400, each time one needs to go in Setup>Audio>speaker settings and

1. Set Front left speaker to LARGE
2. Set LFE to OFF
3. Set LFE to ON
4. Set Front left speaker to SMALL
5. Save

I understand Samsung will be correcting this with a future firmware update.

Also, the subwoofer GAIN setting (at the sub) should be increased by a couple of notches when using multichannel analogs. This is true for all players. I have three players for which I use multichannel analogs and only when using my Oppo can I leave the sub GAIN in it's normal position and that is because that player offers speaker levels trimming from -10 dB to + 10 dB (and I use the latter for the sub speaker).
post #3668 of 12884
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Originally Posted by mfabien View Post

Rolls-Royce answered you correctly. However, there is a problem currently when using multichannel analogs and it concerns LFE output to the subwoofer. The problem is that each time the 1400 is powered OFF, the speaker settings are lost.

Upon powering ON the 1400, each time one needs to go in Setup>Audio>speaker settings and

1. Set Front left speaker to LARGE
2. Set LFE to OFF
3. Set LFE to ON
4. Set Front left speaker to SMALL
5. Save

I understand Samsung will be correcting this with a future firmware update.

Also, the subwoofer GAIN setting (at the sub) should be increased by a couple of notches when using multichannel analogs. This is true for all players. I have three players for which I use multichannel analogs and only when using my Oppo can I leave the sub GAIN in it's normal position and that is because that player offers speaker levels trimming from -10 dB to + 10 dB (and I use the latter for the sub speaker).

some AVRs (my onkyo 705 does, not that i use analog inputs since it has HDMI etc anyway) have a setting in the menu how many dB to boost the LFE from the analog inputs... at least that saves having to change the dial on the sub back and forth when switching from the player to other sources
post #3669 of 12884
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Originally Posted by mfabien View Post

Rolls-Royce answered you correctly. However, there is a problem currently when using multichannel analogs and it concerns LFE output to the subwoofer. The problem is that each time the 1400 is powered OFF, the speaker settings are lost.

Upon powering ON the 1400, each time one needs to go in Setup>Audio>speaker settings and

1. Set Front left speaker to LARGE
2. Set LFE to OFF
3. Set LFE to ON
4. Set Front left speaker to SMALL
5. Save

I understand Samsung will be correcting this with a future firmware update.

Also, the subwoofer GAIN setting (at the sub) should be increased by a couple of notches when using multichannel analogs. This is true for all players. I have three players for which I use multichannel analogs and only when using my Oppo can I leave the sub GAIN in it's normal position and that is because that player offers speaker levels trimming from -10 dB to + 10 dB (and I use the latter for the sub speaker).

As I understand the analog speaker problem from this thread, it is only if you are using the small speaker settings that the 1400 does not act correctly and needs to be reset each and every time that it is turned on.
post #3670 of 12884
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Originally Posted by dacbeth View Post

As I understand the analog speaker problem from this thread, it is only if you are using the small speaker settings that the 1400 does not act correctly and needs to be reset each and every time that it is turned on.

Yes, that is correct. If you set the speakers to "large" the setting will stick. The next issue is if one should use "large" in the first place. Most would normally say no, but in this case it may be worth living with so you do not have to remember to reset the speaker sizes everytime you power on the unit.

In my case, I have tried both methods, and "small" sounds the best to me most of the time even though my mains are rated down into the mid 30 Hz range (the surrounds go deep also with their 12" drivers). It kind of depends on the material you are listening to with my system configuration.

So, I am back to resetting the speaker sizes everytime. Not that big of problem unless I do not remember to reset the speaker sizes until after the movie has already loaded and started. If it has, then you must eject the disk and startover.
post #3671 of 12884
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Originally Posted by sptrout View Post

Yes, that is correct. If you set the speakers to "large" the setting will stick. The next issue is if one should use "large" in the first place. Most would normally say no, but in this case it may be worth living with so you do not have to remember to reset the speaker sizes everytime you power on the unit.

In my case, I have tried both methods, and "small" sounds the best to me most of the time even though my mains are rated down into the mid 30 Hz range (the surrounds go deep also with their 12" drivers). It kind of depends on the material you are listening to with my system configuration.

So, I am back to resetting the speaker sizes everytime. Not that big of problem unless I do not remember to reset the speaker sizes until after the movie has already loaded and started. If it has, then you must eject the disk and startover.

Certainly the choice is one of the ear. However, I have found that running all the low end through the sub even though the remainder of the speakers can handle the low end freq. results in a overloaded sub, if that makes and sense. And all though supposedly non-directional, having the lows associated with there fundamental location has resulted in the best sound performance for me. In fact to bring my center in closer attune to my fronts, I have added a small sub for center only. The over all frequency dispersion, at least in my set up, works much better than running all lows through the sub. As previously said, it is a matter for one's own ear.
post #3672 of 12884
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Originally Posted by STRICK-9 View Post

Gentleman & Ladies:

A little help for an idiot. My wife got me the 1400 and I have hooked it up to my Panasonic 42" 720P Model 75U. I am having several problems nd would like a couple of answers before I take this thing back.

1) Regardless of the movie, BD or SD, the picture does not fill up my tv. I have read where members complain of sd's having this technicality but not bd.

2) Every movie I have played gives me video and audio glitches and 80% of the discs have just stopped playing for no reason.

I have the system connected using a Monster Cable 700 series HDMI. I have not changed any internal settings nor have I done any fw updates. I thought this player auto detected my tv settings and if it doesn't, will changing the oputput to 720P internally help. Furthermore, the only way I can get the movie to fill my screen is by changing the aspect rati on the tv to 4:3 Zoom but then my deaf wife can't read the closed captioning.

Thanks a million,

The Dumb Guy


take a look at how you've got the unit placed in your AV rack. I used to have my Sat box placed on top of mine and I swear the heat from the Sat box caused loads of issues...after moving the box, no issues.
post #3673 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Good news is there are some boomoos.....

ok, WTF is a boomoo? are you aware you are the only person saying "Boomoo"? Are you trying to say BD? if so, just say BD...for one it takes less key strokes and for another, more people will know what you are trying to say.

and another gripe, not directed toward you, what is this "Purple" crap....I thought it was "Blue" (I might be ill informed here, but in all articles i've read, it was described as a "Blue" laser).
post #3674 of 12884
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The problem is that each time the 1400 is powered OFF, the speaker settings are lost.

Mine saves them correctly.
It saved them when I had them set to "small", with no center or surround;
and it saves them now, with new components attached: all large with surrounds.
I know because I just went through the whole speaker setup thing for use with my new receiver.

Are you guys remembering to hit the "SAVE" button after making the settings ?
post #3675 of 12884
In the Samsung firmaware update page, the date in the firmware is 14 January...

http://www.samsung.com/us/function/s...hWord=BD-P1400


...but the firmware still is the 1.2

?
post #3676 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Amber O'Doul View Post

Mine saves them correctly.
It saved them when I had them set to "small", with no center or surround;
and it saves them now, with new components attached: all large with surrounds.
I know because I just went through the whole speaker setup thing for use with my new receiver.

Are you guys remembering to hit the "SAVE" button after making the settings ?

I believe if you check this thread, you will find that with one of the fw updates, you will experience a loss in the way the 1400 handles the signal, not that the 1400 changes the settings in the menu. As I understand the situation, the settings continue to show small, however, the apropriate freqs are not passed correctly unlss everything is reset as described above. But again , your 1400 may be unique, but listen to make sure the proper passing of signals is taking place after you shut the unit down with small settings.

You can also further search this thread for a better description. I use large so don't have the problem Plus I am using the original fw.
post #3677 of 12884
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Originally Posted by vassillios View Post

ok, WTF is a boomoo? are you aware you are the only person saying "Boomoo"? Are you trying to say BD? if so, just say BD...for one it takes less key strokes and for another, more people will know what you are trying to say.

and another gripe, not directed toward you, what is this "Purple" crap....I thought it was "Blue" (I might be ill informed here, but in all articles i've read, it was described as a "Blue" laser).


I think somehow "boomoo" is derived from Blu-ray movie??? I dunno, but it seems to be a logical assumption.

Purple is the term used by some people to indicate they are both HD DVD and Blu-ray capable. HD DVD cases are red, Blu-ray cases are blue...put them together and you get purple. Has nothing to do with the color of the player's laser.
post #3678 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Amber O'Doul View Post

Mine saves them correctly.
It saved them when I had them set to "small", with no center or surround;
and it saves them now, with new components attached: all large with surrounds.
I know because I just went through the whole speaker setup thing for use with my new receiver.

Are you guys remembering to hit the "SAVE" button after making the settings ?

Yes, I remember to "save," I have done it about a 100 times now it seems. It is very easy to think everything is OK when it actually is not. The standard LFE track will work fine, but the low bass (<100Hz) in the L&R channels will not be passed to the subwoofer when the speakers are set to small and the unit has been powered off/on. The easiest way to test this (for me anyway) is to play a concert Blu-ray or DVD using just the 2-channel PCM track that most concerts usually have (all the ones I have do). You will find out very quickly that the L&R bass is not being passed to the subwoofer. It will after you first set the speaker sizes, but after you turn-off the unit and then replay the same song, the bass will be gone.
post #3679 of 12884
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Originally Posted by vassillios View Post

ok, WTF is a boomoo?

Get off my back, man. If my 2 year old says boomoo, and I say yes we can watch a blu-ray movie, then that's all I care about. Put it the urban dictionary or into your knucklhead if you have to.

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and another gripe, not directed toward you, what is this "Purple" crap....I thought it was "Blue" (I might be ill informed here, but in all articles i've read, it was described as a "Blue" laser).

Well since I have the color police on my ars, what color do you get when you combine red and blue, smart guy? Some of us appreciate high def, blu-ray and HD-DVD. Yea you can put that in the urban dictionary too...
post #3680 of 12884
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Originally Posted by blackkat98 View Post

Purple is the term used by some people to indicate they are both HD DVD and Blu-ray capable. HD DVD cases are red, Blu-ray cases are blue...put them together and you get purple. Has nothing to do with the color of the player's laser.

now THAT makes sense! Red and blue makes purple
post #3681 of 12884
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Originally Posted by dacbeth View Post

I As I understand the situation, the settings continue to show small, however, the apropriate freqs are not passed correctly unlss everything is reset as described above.

Correct. That is exactly the issue.
post #3682 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Get off my back, man. If my 2 year old says boomoo, and I say yes we can watch a blu-ray movie, then that's all I care about. Put it the urban dictionary or into your knucklhead if you have to.



Well since I have the color police on my ars, what color do you get when you combine red and blue, smart guy? Some of us appreciate high def, blu-ray and HD-DVD. Yea you can put that in the urban dictionary too...

jesus! get over it guy. You can't expect everyone to get the inside conversation between you and your kid. What is a boomoo? is a valid question.....


Sorry if I don't own a Blu-ray player AND a HD DVD player and am not in the elite circle and thus do not understand purple.

how would you like it if I said:

I just put a Bizzel in my shizzel and the homey won't plizzle.
post #3683 of 12884
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Originally Posted by blackkat98 View Post

I think somehow "boomoo" is derived from Blu-ray movie??? I dunno, but it seems to be a logical assumption.

Man, you are pretty fast. Bingo! My 2 year old does not have capacity to say it in 3 syllables, so it makes sense to him, make sense to me, and that's all I got to say about that.
post #3684 of 12884
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Originally Posted by vassillios View Post

jesus! get over it guy. You can't expect everyone to get the inside conversation between you and your kid. What is a boomoo? is a valid question.....

I just put a fizzel in my shizzel and the homey won't plizzle.

yep, I'm straight my negro.
post #3685 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Solarys View Post

The TV (Sharp 46" Aquos) and (Sansung BD-1400) BLU-RAY DVD player are attached to my Pioneer VSX-94TXH A/V receiver via HDMI cables.

You are getting the blue screen when you turn 24fps "on" because the Samsung doesn't "think" there is a receiver or TV on the other end that can accept a native 24fps source. One of 3 things is happening: Your receiver is interfering with the handshake (you can test by temporarily running your 1400 straight to the TV), your TV doesn't accept native 24fps signals (I searched internet and couldn't determine if any of the 46" aquos accept 24fps native), or there is an error with the Samsung (I know it has bugs, but so many people are posting on here about the problem with 24fps with fw 1.2 that I have to believe that the 1400 is correctly recognizing TVs that accept 24fps). Just because your TV has a 120hz refresh rate doesn't guarantee it will accept native 24fps. Also, most Sharps have a menu option to turn "film mode" on. If yours is set to "off", you might try "on" and see if that fixes things. If those things don't work, I'd call Sharp and confirm that your model can accept a native 24fps input. If they say yes, your next step would be Samsung customer support.
post #3686 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

yep, I'm straight my negro.

true dat!
post #3687 of 12884
[quote]The standard LFE track will work fine, but the low bass (<100Hz) in the L&R channels will not be passed to the subwoofer when the speakers are set to small and the unit has been powered off/on. The easiest way to test this (for me anyway) is to play a concert Blu-ray or DVD using just the 2-channel PCM track that most concerts usually have (all the ones I have do). You will find out very quickly that the L&R bass is not being passed to the subwoofer. It will after you first set the speaker sizes, but after you turn-off the unit and then replay the same song, the bass will be gone.[/quoe]
OK.
I have simply never noticed an audio problem, and when people claimed that it "wasn't saving the setttings" I would check and note that mine did appear to be saving the settings.

Now, since I have the two mains set to "Large" I must be avoiding the problem. The Audessey feature of my Onkyo 605 receiver is selecting a crossover frequency based on what it actually measures in my room.
post #3688 of 12884
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Originally Posted by bendergender View Post

In the Samsung firmaware update page, the date in the firmware is 14 January...

http://www.samsung.com/us/function/s...hWord=BD-P1400


...but the firmware still is the 1.2

?

If you click on the file details it still shows the build date as 12-11-07 so I doubt anything has been updated.
post #3689 of 12884
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Originally Posted by bendergender View Post

In the Samsung firmaware update page, the date in the firmware is 14 January...

http://www.samsung.com/us/function/s...hWord=BD-P1400


...but the firmware still is the 1.2

?

yea, I think that's just the official advertisement page for the 1400. The "dates" reflect when the article or news pertaining to the 1400 were published. Not really an indication of the build date for the latest FW, which is 2007-12-11. See number 3 for the link to latest FW, Jan 14, 2008.

Although my buddy did do the FW upgrade via ethernet last Saturday and he swears that it's the "new" one. Verifying the dates, it was still 1.2.
post #3690 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Amber O'Doul View Post

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The standard LFE track will work fine, but the low bass (<100Hz) in the L&R channels will not be passed to the subwoofer when the speakers are set to small and the unit has been powered off/on. The easiest way to test this (for me anyway) is to play a concert Blu-ray or DVD using just the 2-channel PCM track that most concerts usually have (all the ones I have do). You will find out very quickly that the L&R bass is not being passed to the subwoofer. It will after you first set the speaker sizes, but after you turn-off the unit and then replay the same song, the bass will be gone.

OK.
I have simply never noticed an audio problem, and when people claimed that it "wasn't saving the setttings" I would check and note that mine did appear to be saving the settings.

Now, since I have the two mains set to "Large" I must be avoiding the problem. The Audessey feature of my Onkyo 605 receiver is selecting a crossover frequency based on what it actually measures in my room.

Ms. Amber, question. Are we talking about the speaker configuration (large/ small) for the 1400 or the 605? Just some clarification please, for reference purposes.
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