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post #3751 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Merlin803 View Post

Does Samsung still have the free movie offer or is it only the BDA one now?

I think the offer has ended, for player bought b4 Dec 31, 2007. The only stipulation was you bought the 1400 without getting any instant movie, meaning the only BD startup kit was the BDA five you had to wait for, still haven't received.
post #3752 of 12884
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Originally Posted by isingh View Post

So is there anyway I can kick up the audio level also, anything I need to do in Sammy config ? Why do people need to change Speaker setting in Sammy ? I hope that has nothing to do here when I am using Analog outputs? And if it has then why does PCM on optical is lower in intensity as opposed to bitstream ?

I am conffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuseddddddddddd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, I haven't seen a guy had this much fun than the one legged man in an as kicking contest at the fair.

I wouldn't worry about all that mumbo jumbo PCM vs. bitstream talk too much. Applying the KISS method, if your receiver can decode the new HD audio, then bitstream with HDMI. If your receiver can not decode the new HD audio, then PCM them via 5.1 analog with RCAs. Lose the fiber optics. The main reason being, 5.1 LPCM through fiber optics is downmixed to 2 channel stereo. Thus the surrounds "seem" to be lower, because your're missing the other 3.1 portion. In addition, 5.1 uncompressed LPCM 24 and 16 bit audio on the disc are far superior to the regular DD and DTS codecs.

Generally the volume outputted by PCM feeds are slightly lower than their bitstream counterpart. Sound quality with respect to volume is still debatable. I believe if you have to turn up the volume up 8-10 clicks to match the level of clarity for dialog sounds, then you are actually increasing the harmonic distortion of the overall system. As mentioned before, 24 bit audio, like DTS MA and most TrueHD, sounds the best if you bitstream from the 1400 to a capable receiver. Let the receiver decodes them and apply whatever DSP to suite your liking. On the hand, you and your receiver have little to no control on the robust raw pulse code modulation beast. Again that's just one dino preference. Others swear that there is no difference. I wouldn't disagree with them. It's their ears, ya know.
post #3753 of 12884
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Originally Posted by codehoser View Post

Regarding Samsung 1400 video drop-out issues:

I've now played four Blu-Ray movies through in their entirety:

- Pan's Labyrinth
- Spiderman 3
- Ratatouille
- Meet the Robinsons

I have had no playback issues with the first two, and an occasional playback issues with the last two. In Meet the Robinsons, the video drops out four times; in Ratatouille twice. This is with the player set to 1080i output, which matches my display.

When I force the output to 480i or 480p, I get no video drops or quirks. In 720p mode, the video does not drop, but in the locations where the drops occur in 1080i mode, I instead see visual mangling. By that, I mean the image goes black with a thick green vertical bar near the center for a moment before returning to normal.

Since 480[i/p] modes can actually read the data off the disc without any trouble, this would seem to suggest strongly that the player is at fault. I suppose I'll try for an exchange and see if it goes any better next time.

Hopefully this information is useful to someone

Kevin

Thanks, buddy. This may help explained why some of us are perfectly fine with our 1400 and settings, and other may have felt they were ripped! by Sammy.

Seriously, tho, good job for pointing this out. I'll buy into your theory and findings. Probably the result of the next 1400 is the same, I fear?
post #3754 of 12884
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Originally Posted by shadowcaster View Post

My 1400 , via HDMI, is defaulting to 1080i output. My panel is a 720p Pioneer 1140. Should I change the Sammy to 720p or leave it @1080i ?

My take on it is probably leave it on your HDTV native resolution mode. Although some native 720p HDTV can accept 1080i signals, it doesn't mean it is always the best choice. Simply put, we don't know how many "adjustments" will have to be made by the time the content on the BD to the time it is displayed on the TV screen. Not unless you have the Hitachi plasmas with Alternate Lighting of Surfaces, which are native 1080i sets, I just leave it at 720p. Plus 720p, 1080i, 1080p, how much of a difference in PQ, if any? Your 720p Pio (especially if it's Kuro or Elite? any one of them) can take most (I won't name any names because I don't want to get branded by die hard fans) 1080p out anyday, IMHO.

You're only losing the valuable 24 fps feature of 1400 anyway.... Maaaahhaaahaaha!(Barney's evil laugh)
post #3755 of 12884
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I just downloaded what I thought was the latest firmware update this past Sunday... but it shows that I have 1.1. If I hook the player back up again, will it download the newer firmware?

Yeah...it seems to update to the next firmware, not the newest. So if you keep going back to the setup menu and tell it to update again, it should load the next firmware version. Just keep doing that until it tells you that you have the newest firmware.

I have no idea why it does this, as the firmware is cumulative. I've used CD-R to update from 1.0 directly to 1.2 with no problem.
post #3756 of 12884
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

So Sunshine played flawlessly for me today (well, the ending had some flaws...but you know what I mean). I'm using what I've been calling FW 1.0. But then I reread your post and discovered that our FW 1.0s have different build dates. Mine is 070809.01_XAA .

I'm guessing that firmware 070809.01_XAA is the original shipping firmware, which I think of as version 0.9 (just made that up, don't know what Samsung calls it).

If so, the main difference between it and 1.0 (070903.01_XAA) is the ability to bitstream audio codecs (at least the advanced one like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) to HDMI audio receivers capable of decoding them (such as the Onkyo 605/705/805/875/905).

So I'm pretty sure you are currently unable to bitstream those audio codecs unless you update the firmware to version 1.0 or newer. If you haven't got an audio receiver capable of decoding them, then there's no reason to update (other than to play the few movies that need an update such as Live Free or Die Hard).
post #3757 of 12884
Just an FYI on firmware naming:
Each firmware is named based on the date it was created (not the release date, but the compile date).

070903.01_XAA =
2007 Sept 03

I'm not sure what the .01 (or .02 according to some people's posts) mean. It may be a build number or something. And I also don't know what XAA means.

The most recent firmware is 071113.01, meaning it was compiled on Nov 13 (it wasn't released until early December).
post #3758 of 12884
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Originally Posted by TNO821 View Post

Just an FYI on firmware naming:
Each firmware is named based on the date it was created (not the release date, but the compile date).

070903.01_XAA =
2007 Sept 03

I'm not sure what the .01 (or .02 according to some people's posts) mean. It may be a build number or something. And I also don't know what XAA means.

The most recent firmware is 071113.01, meaning it was compiled on Nov 13 (it wasn't released until early December).

Yes you are absolutely right..
post #3759 of 12884
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Originally Posted by TNO821 View Post

I'm guessing that firmware 070809.01_XAA is the original shipping firmware, which I think of as version 0.9 (just made that up, don't know what Samsung calls it).

If so, the main difference between it and 1.0 (070903.01_XAA) is the ability to bitstream audio codecs (at least the advanced one like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) to HDMI audio receivers capable of decoding them (such as the Onkyo 605/705/805/875/905).

So I'm pretty sure you are currently unable to bitstream those audio codecs unless you update the firmware to version 1.0 or newer. If you haven't got an audio receiver capable of decoding them, then there's no reason to update (other than to play the few movies that need an update such as Live Free or Die Hard).

Yes, I have the original shipping FW (and use analog 5.1, so no bitstream need). However, I think newer builds are shipping with what you are referring to as 1.0, since later models bitstream out of the box. The fact that my FW has been so rock solid stable leads me to believe that many of the problems that have generated this forum are related to Samsung tacking on DTS-MA support at the last second (when they decided to drop the 2400), rather than an inherently flawed product.
I haven't tried LFODH, since my qam tuner pulled it off somebody else's VOD and I watched enough to know I don't want to see the whole thing. However, given that my FW has played every other disc out there, I wish the Samsung engineers would revisit it to see where they went wrong.
post #3760 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Man, I haven't seen a guy had this much fun than the one legged man in an as kicking contest at the fair.

I wouldn't worry about all that mumbo jumbo PCM vs. bitstream talk too much. Applying the KISS method, if your receiver can decode the new HD audio, then bitstream with HDMI. If your receiver can not decode the new HD audio, then PCM them via 5.1 analog with RCAs. Lose the fiber optics. The main reason being, 5.1 LPCM through fiber optics is downmixed to 2 channel stereo. Thus the surrounds "seem" to be lower, because your're missing the other 3.1 portion. In addition, 5.1 uncompressed LPCM 24 and 16 bit audio on the disc are far superior to the regular DD and DTS codecs.

Generally the volume outputted by PCM feeds are slightly lower than their bitstream counterpart. Sound quality with respect to volume is still debatable. I believe if you have to turn up the volume up 8-10 clicks to match the level of clarity for dialog sounds, then you are actually increasing the harmonic distortion of the overall system. As mentioned before, 24 bit audio, like DTS MA and most TrueHD, sounds the best if you bitstream from the 1400 to a capable receiver. Let the receiver decodes them and apply whatever DSP to suite your liking. On the hand, you and your receiver have little to no control on the robust raw pulse code modulation beast. Again that's just one dino preference. Others swear that there is no difference. I wouldn't disagree with them. It's their ears, ya know.

It's the kicking that matters right..

Anyways, Thanks for your reply. For me personally, I like a lill high volume with sold bass specially in action/horror movies. I guess I will try with analogs again and see if that's better.
post #3761 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

My take on it is probably leave it on your HDTV native resolution mode. Although some native 720p HDTV can accept 1080i signals, it doesn't mean it is always the best choice. Simply put, we don't know how many "adjustments" will have to be made by the time the content on the BD to the time it is displayed on the TV screen. Not unless you have the Hitachi plasmas with Alternate Lighting of Surfaces, which are native 1080i sets, I just leave it at 720p. Plus 720p, 1080i, 1080p, how much of a difference in PQ, if any? Your 720p Pio (especially if it's Kuro or Elite? any one of them) can take most (I won't name any names because I don't want to get branded by die hard fans) 1080p out anyday, IMHO.

You're only losing the valuable 24 fps feature of 1400 anyway.... Maaaahhaaahaaha!(Barney's evil laugh)

Except his display is 1365x768. I can pretty much guarantee that the Pioneer will do a better job converting the 1080i signal to 1365x768p than the Samsung, which will convert the 1080p to 1080i, then rescale to 720, then deinterlace to 720p which will get sent to the pioneer and again rescaled to 768. At 50", his display should be large enough to discern a difference. The best answer is for him to try both and see what he likes, but I think anyone who has the option to choose between 720p and 1080i owes it to himself (or herself) to try both before choosing a permanent setting. I'm not alone in finding 1080i out noticeably better than 720p out (search AVS for 1080i vs 720p). And BTW, Samsung allows 24fps 'on' with 1080i mode, but not 720p mode.
post #3762 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Merlin803 View Post

Does Samsung still have the free movie offer or is it only the BDA one now?

Sorry about the tardy answer. I had logged out. My copy says it's been over since Nov 30 2007, but there may be newer ones out there.
post #3763 of 12884
Has anyone read the CNET review of this player? It was not very complimentary. When playing SD DVDs (4 X 3), CNET indicated the picture did not fill the screen and the player has no setting for adjustment. Adjustment was finally made using the ZOOM button on TV remote. Because of this issue, the player received a "Do Not Buy" rating. In a further comment, CNET did not evaluate the performance with HDM, claiming if the unit did not reproduce SD media satisfactorily, then no further evaluation was required. Sort of a dumb review of a HD player!

Most of the DVD's I have played are Wide Screen, so I have not seen this issue.
post #3764 of 12884
CNET reviews do not really carry high credibility.
I read the BDP1400 review, and noticed that the blamed the mediocre SD upscaling quality on the chip it uses. So, then, just for comparison, I went to one of the most expensive units which got an outstanding review for SD upscaling. Guess what ?....same chip.

Sorry, but it wasn't important enough for me to remember all the details. I only learned one thing: Take CNET reviews for what their worth.
post #3765 of 12884
Funny you can't find this player anywhere. BB,out, Frys out,CC out. Either Samsung has already blown out its inventory prior to CES (smart move) or there were some kind of rush just after the holidays..........Pretty weird. The good thing is if this player is not discontinued yet then the new batch soon to arrive should have updated firmware.
post #3766 of 12884
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Originally Posted by isingh View Post

It's the kicking that matters right..

Anyways, Thanks for your reply. For me personally, I like a lill high volume with sold bass specially in action/horror movies. I guess I will try with analogs again and see if that's better.

As long as you're still having fun, buddy.

When you upgrade your receiver, and it doesn't matter if it's going to decode the new codecs or not, just HDMI, the bass will be rocking, tight, sharp, and speed. Of course bitstream via HDMI, bass ouput from DTS MA and TrueHD are gooder than gold!
post #3767 of 12884
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

Except his display is 1365x768. I can pretty much guarantee that the Pioneer will do a better job converting the 1080i signal to 1365x768p than the Samsung, which will convert the 1080p to 1080i, then rescale to 720, then deinterlace to 720p which will get sent to the pioneer and again rescaled to 768. At 50", his display should be large enough to discern a difference. The best answer is for him to try both and see what he likes, but I think anyone who has the option to choose between 720p and 1080i owes it to himself (or herself) to try both before choosing a permanent setting. I'm not alone in finding 1080i out noticeably better than 720p out (search AVS for 1080i vs 720p). And BTW, Samsung allows 24fps 'on' with 1080i mode, but not 720p mode.

Yea you're probably right. My point was and still is there are "unknown' amount of time the original BD content (frame rate and resolution) gets "adjusted" before it going to be display on the TV screen. Less adjustments, better compatibility.

Just on the last leg of 24 fps issue, TV 1080i (max) =? modified content outputted as 1080p/24 fps (according the Sammy manual)? So it doesn't make no $0.01 to me?
post #3768 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Amber O'Doul View Post

CNET reviews do not really carry high credibility.
I read the BDP1400 review, and noticed that the blamed the mediocre SD upscaling quality on the chip it uses. So, then, just for comparison, I went to one of the most expensive units which got an outstanding review for SD upscaling. Guess what ?....same chip.

Sorry, but it wasn't important enough for me to remember all the details. I only learned one thing: Take CNET reviews for what their worth.

Just because two machines share the same processing chip doesn't mean they will have identical performance. It boils down to the implementation of the chip itself. Makes a world of difference.
post #3769 of 12884
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Just because two machines share the same processing chip doesn't mean they will have identical performance. It boils down to the implementation of the chip itself. Makes a world of difference.

But I agree. That is why CNET lost credibility when they BLAMED the BDP1400 chip, but then praised another player that used the same chip.

The chip should have been only one factor of many possible.
But most of the conversion quality actually does come from the chip; although poor implementation could degrade things. Either way, CNET loses credibility.
post #3770 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Amber O'Doul View Post

But I agree. That is why CNET lost credibility when they BLAMED the BDP1400 chip, but then praised another player that used the same chip.

The chip should have been only one factor of many possible.
But most of the conversion quality actually does come from the chip; although poor implementation could degrade things. Either way, CNET loses credibility.


Which other player are you talking about?
post #3771 of 12884
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

My take on it is probably leave it on your HDTV native resolution mode. Although some native 720p HDTV can accept 1080i signals, it doesn't mean it is always the best choice. Simply put, we don't know how many "adjustments" will have to be made by the time the content on the BD to the time it is displayed on the TV screen. Not unless you have the Hitachi plasmas with Alternate Lighting of Surfaces, which are native 1080i sets, I just leave it at 720p. Plus 720p, 1080i, 1080p, how much of a difference in PQ, if any? Your 720p Pio (especially if it's Kuro or Elite? any one of them) can take most (I won't name any names because I don't want to get branded by die hard fans) 1080p out anyday, IMHO.

You're only losing the valuable 24 fps feature of 1400 anyway.... Maaaahhaaahaaha!(Barney's evil laugh)

Thanks Barney and cdnewmanpac, makes sense what you both say.....I'll try both and see, with the delay in changing the settings, if I can see a difference.
post #3772 of 12884
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Originally Posted by yukon04 View Post

Has anyone read the CNET review of this player? It was not very complimentary. When playing SD DVDs (4 X 3), CNET indicated the picture did not fill the screen and the player has no setting for adjustment. Adjustment was finally made using the ZOOM button on TV remote. Because of this issue, the player received a "Do Not Buy" rating. Sort of a dumb review of a HD player!

Most of the DVD's I have played are Wide Screen, so I have not seen this issue.

I believe the reviewer was referring to 4:3 Letterbox which will have black bars on all 4 sides.
For an explanation, see my post here : Click.

The first picture is probably what he's talking about and there are some players that will display this w/bars only at top and bottom. None that I know of ,in standard 4:3, that will fill the screen as a result of player processing. Their aren't that many discs, and they're older, studio dvd transfers made in this format, so to say do not buy on that point is , IMO, ludicrous. +1 for taking CNET reviews w/a very big grain of salt.
post #3773 of 12884
I am wondering if there is a secret recall of these players. I was in Costco on LI a few weeks ago and there was a big stack of the players. I came back a day later and they were all gone. I know they were not all sold in one day. The same seems true at other stores. Could it be possible that because of the issues of playing disks that Samsung decided that they had to do something? Could they be waiting for the updated firmware?
post #3774 of 12884
Interesting. I've NEVER seen the 1400 in any of the LI stores I've been in, ever. (4 stores)
post #3775 of 12884
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Originally Posted by shadowcaster View Post

I believe the reviewer was referring to 4:3 Letterbox which will have black bars on all 4 sides.
For an explanation, see my post here : Click.

The first picture is probably what he's talking about and there are some players that will display this w/bars only at top and bottom. None that I know of ,in standard 4:3, that will fill the screen as a result of player processing. Their aren't that many discs, and they're older, studio dvd transfers made in this format, so to say do not buy on that point is , IMO, ludicrous. +1 for taking CNET reviews w/a very big grain of salt.

I have not read the review, but I'm with you, brotha. Why test something that was originally widescreen on top of 4x3? That's a crock of sea shells!

To be fair, I will have to agree with their findings of the 1400 upscaling ability for SD DVDs. I refuse to play standard DVDs with the 1400 because it is downright offensive. I still do not know why the Reon chip was taken out of the 1400, but the 1200 has it? That's not to say that other BD players are better than the 1400 with SD DVDs either. Compare the video output of the A2 (better-HD-DVD player ) and the Panny E47K (best-regular DVD player), I just have to relieve the 1400 of his duty for playing regular DVDs.

Now if you're talking about BD video and audio, my Boy has done me proud. I would like CNET to know that. Got to go. Feeling a little bit sensitive now... sniff, sniff
post #3776 of 12884
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I am wondering if there is a secret recall of these players. I was in Costco on LI a few weeks ago and there was a big stack of the players. I came back a day later and they were all gone. I know they were not all sold in one day. The same seems true at other stores. Could it be possible that because of the issues of playing disks that Samsung decided that they had to do something? Could they be waiting for the updated firmware?

Look on eBay or your local craigslist. No seriously, did you know you can get the 1400 for FREE. hint, check to see if you have 8,000 Disney Movie Rewards Points.

awwno? Maybe the Mouse took all of the local stock???
post #3777 of 12884
Yeah its pretty weird when CC,BB and Frys are out of the same product...........strange coincidence.
post #3778 of 12884
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Originally Posted by yukon04 View Post

Has anyone read the CNET review of this player? It was not very complimentary. When playing SD DVDs (4 X 3), CNET indicated the picture did not fill the screen and the player has no setting for adjustment. Adjustment was finally made using the ZOOM button on TV remote. Because of this issue, the player received a "Do Not Buy" rating. In a further comment, CNET did not evaluate the performance with HDM, claiming if the unit did not reproduce SD media satisfactorily, then no further evaluation was required. Sort of a dumb review of a HD player!

Most of the DVD's I have played are Wide Screen, so I have not seen this issue.

It is a dumb statement, they refer to the old DVD's in 4x3 format, I have TWO!.
post #3779 of 12884
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Originally Posted by wgerman View Post

Yeah its pretty weird when CC,BB and Frys are out of the same product...........strange coincidence.

I know that I was looking for one last weekend and using BB's website, it showed none at all in my area but now at least one store shows them to be in stock and a couple of CC's around me had them last week and still show them to be in stock.
post #3780 of 12884
The Long Island Costco store that I saw the 1400 in was in Commack. It was only there for a few days. As usual they had a HDMI cable in the box. It was removed for some reason. The price was $299 at the time. I am still guessing that they recalled the units to do a firmware update to avoid returns.
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