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post #6601 of 12876
5/1/08 at 9:04am
Imma just messing . At least your spirits are still up. In place of you not having your 1400, and a dedication of a positve message from ol' Barney, a quote from Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium:

"Your life is an occasion. Rise up to it."
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post #6602 of 12876
5/1/08 at 9:26am
Well I finally won a used pannisonic bd10AK for $250 and will send my sammy1400 back to amazon. I just don't like the build quality and problems sammy seems to have. It almost seems like they are trying to undercut everyone on quality. I still have my bdp1000 that I will hang on too. That unit seems to be much better than the 1400 as far as glitches go.

I really hope samsung can go a different route. I looked at the picture of the new 1500 and all I can say is CHEAP. Looks like they want to be the first to come out with a sub $100 player in the next 10 years.
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post #6603 of 12876
5/1/08 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Are you saying this doesn't occur on FW 1.6 and earlier? Or this just happened when playing Immortal Beloved TrueHD track and just noticed it on 1.7?

I never did 1.6. Went from 1.5 to 1.7. I've now verified this with BD version of Digital Video Essentials, Immortal Beloved, 5th Element and Spiderman 3. When Digital Out is set to "PCM" in the 1400 audio menu, I get 2.0 output from every TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack I've tried. When I choose "Bitstream", I get 5.1. I do know I played several TrueHD soundtracks on fw 1.5 and didn't have this problem. I also played many TrueHD soundtracks with my original (pre DTS-MA) firmware and never had this problem.

If there wasn't a workaround, I'd try going back to 1.5. But since changing to "bitstream" fixed the issue, I'll leave it alone. Weird that the only person to try hasn't been able to verify this problem.
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post #6604 of 12876
5/1/08 at 10:26am
You reckon it's the analog output is the problem? I know if I put Spidey 3 on and choose the 5.1 TrueHD track, with the 1400 set to PCM, it gives me 5.1 multichannel PCM streams with HDMI (HDMI 1.1 mode). I will see if this also affects HDMI 1.1 connection type for 1.7 tonite.
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post #6605 of 12876
5/1/08 at 11:52am
cd,
I know where you're coming from, but as long as there is a work around that doesn't compromise anything else, then it should be ok right? If you are sure that all of your "ducks are lined up", you may want to contact The Powers That Be @ Samsung. I'm sure they'd LOVE to here the news .
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post #6606 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Larry, buddy, was this skip repeatable? Or was it one of those instances where it happens and when you rewind back right before the location, playing back the second time does not reproduced the skip?

Hey Barney,

I watched this with The Wife who was not impressed that I was taking notes, pausing the movie, stopping the movie, using the pop up menu, etc.... In short I was driving her nuts

So, I couldn't go back and try it again and I dropped this title off at BB this morning for an in store exchange.

I am learning...I will remember to try again the next time.

Larry
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post #6607 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

cd,
I know where you're coming from, but as long as there is a work around that doesn't compromise anything else, then it should be ok right? If you are sure that all of your "ducks are lined up", you may want to contact The Powers That Be @ Samsung. I'm sure they'd LOVE to here the news .

I called this morning. The rep told me that the digital out selection should have no impact on the 5.1 analog out. She was nice enough to listen while I played the difference via my speakers over the phone. The difference was apparent enough for her to acknowledge that something was going on. I got bumped to level 2, tech said that was a new one for him, gave me a case number and said he'd forward it to the dev team.

The only reason this worries me is that those of us who use 5.1 analog are taking it on faith that the 1400 is decoding TrueHD correctly (and not using the legacy dd track, for example). If I ever hear back from Samsung, I'll post here.
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post #6608 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:36pm
Everyone go to BB website to see the new 1500. I agree it is fugly, but then i clicked on the picture to see other angles. The back of the 1500 is shown...with NO analog outs! 1.1 compliant, but 5 steps back (ugly, cheap looking, no analog outs, still no DTS HD decoding, etc.).

Good news yesterday. Cloverfield AND There Will Be Blood coming first week of June! FINALLY Paramount is back on the Blu wagon! These are two of my most anticipated releases this year!
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post #6609 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:37pm
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Hey Barney,

I watched this with The Wife who was not impressed that I was taking notes, pausing the movie, stopping the movie, using the pop up menu, etc.... In short I was driving her nuts

So, I couldn't go back and try it again and I dropped this title off at BB this morning for an in store exchange.

I am learning...I will remember to try again the next time.

Larry

At least they didn't threaten you with the ol' soap party while you're sleeping routine. I can hear our wives now, "Would you quit monkeying around with that DVD player!"

I will try to see what the deal is on that tonite for ya, buddy!
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post #6610 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

I called this morning. The rep told me that the digital out selection should have no impact on the 5.1 analog out. She was nice enough to listen while I played the difference via my speakers over the phone. The difference was apparent enough for her to acknowledge that something was going on. I got bumped to level 2, tech said that was a new one for him, gave me a case number and said he'd forward it to the dev team.

The only reason this worries me is that those of us who use 5.1 analog are taking it on faith that the 1400 is decoding TrueHD correctly (and not using the legacy dd track, for example). If I ever hear back from Samsung, I'll post here.

CDMan, quick question, how did the Samsung Rep knew the difference between 2.0 stereo and 5.1 surrounds over a mono phone?
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post #6611 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

I called this morning. The rep told me that the digital out selection should have no impact on the 5.1 analog out. She was nice enough to listen while I played the difference via my speakers over the phone. The difference was apparent enough for her to acknowledge that something was going on. I got bumped to level 2, tech said that was a new one for him, gave me a case number and said he'd forward it to the dev team.

The only reason this worries me is that those of us who use 5.1 analog are taking it on faith that the 1400 is decoding TrueHD correctly (and not using the legacy dd track, for example). If I ever hear back from Samsung, I'll post here.

Good point about not knowing wether or not you are really geting the THD soundtrack or not. I never thought of that.
I guess one way to find out, is by setting up an A35 or XA2 in the same configuration, play a THD track that is on both formats, then compare.
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post #6612 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

CDMan, quick question, how did the Samsung Rep knew the difference between 2.0 stereo and 5.1 surrounds over a mono phone?

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. Also, wouldn't she just connect you with an engineer to start with? I don't understand how the rep would even entertain the idea or suggest doing that over the phone.
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post #6613 of 12876
5/1/08 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Good point about not knowing wether or not you are really geting the THD soundtrack or not. I never thought of that.
I guess one way to find out, is by setting up an A35 or XA2 in the same configuration, play a THD track that is on both formats, then compare.

Look on the 805 display. Guess what you are getting if you're bitstreaming codecs to it and it says "Dolby TrueHD" or "Stereo". Also a good quick check is look at how many speakers light up. This is a dead give away as whether you're getting 2.0 stereo or 5.1 surrounds.

If you're questioning whether it's 5.1 TrueHD or 5.1 DD, then it gets a little bit complicated than the suggestion above. Also, there's something "tricky" the way that HD DVD players internally decode TrueHD. They are only required to decode 2 channels (stereo) Lf/Rf streams for TrueHD codecs. Also looking at some of the product discriptions for the newer BD players, decoding of TrueHD is highlighted as "2 channel" only. Like the below quote from BadBuys on the 1500. Maybe it's a misprint, maybe it's not?

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Built-in decoders for next-generation Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD high-resolution surround, plus lossless Dolby TrueHD (2-channel)
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post #6614 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. Also, wouldn't she just connect you with an engineer to start with? I don't understand how the rep would even entertain the idea or suggest doing that over the phone.

It was my suggestion. She wouldn't take my error report because it couldn't be happening. This was my last-ditch effort. The volume level is hugely different. Could I have lied and just turned the volume up? Sure, but why would I. Here's an experiment: Open the door to your theater room. Stand a ways down the hall. Have someone flip between 2.0 and 5.1. The source at that distance is functionally mono. I bet you can still tell the difference. If not, sell your big fancy surround system and get a bigger TV, cuz your hearing is gone
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post #6615 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:16pm
We're just playing with ya, man. I know what you mean. When I was watching Conan the Barbarian on DVD in super 2.0 stereo (sole audio track ). Try to change it to 7.1 THX Cinema Select 2 or something, but it still did not matrix the channels up for me. Sucks.
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post #6616 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

It was my suggestion. She wouldn't take my error report because it couldn't be happening. This was my last-ditch effort. The volume level is hugely different. Could I have lied and just turned the volume up? Sure, but why would I. Here's an experiment: Open the door to your theater room. Stand a ways down the hall. Have someone flip between 2.0 and 5.1. The source at that distance is functionally mono. I bet you can still tell the difference. If not, sell your big fancy surround system and get a bigger TV, cuz your hearing is gone

LOL, you're right buddy. No argueing from me. It just seems that the CSR was kind of dumb. I personaaly would have not disavowed your siuation based on tech specs, and certainly would not have thought what I had heard over the phone was better evidence than your word. At the very least, the scenario gets forwarded to an engineer and then they try it in house to see if they can reproduce the problem. Of course you got one better than that by talking directly to an engineer AND a ssigned a case number. Just strange how the CSR handled that.

As an aside, and I do not remember for sure, but I thought that there was an anomoly similar to this one that was going on with one of the HD players. I thought I remembered reading about that several months ago. I don't now, maybe not.
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post #6617 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

We're just playing with ya, man. I know what you mean. When I was watching Conan the Barbarian on DVD in super 2.0 stereo (sole audio track ). Try to change it to 7.1 THX Cinema Select 2 or something, but it still did not matrix the channels up for me. Sucks.

Really? You couldn't matrix it into anything? Not even 6 ch stereo??
I had to go research it too since you said it's only available in stereo. Sure enough, that's the best sound offered. Hey, at least they upgraded it to anamorphic, eh? Did they not have dolby surround in '82? I don't really know since I was only 8 yrs old then .
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post #6618 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

- Sent unit via UPS Friday April 24.
- UPS said the unit was delivered on Monday 28 around 1:38 PM.
- Samsung website says they received it on Tuesday 29 around 4:00 PM
- Check Samsung website today and it now indicates the unit was repaired on Wednesday 30 One day turnaround time, impressive but I'm little worry now. Are they just going to send me the unit back because maybe they couldn't replicate the problem? Perhaps they know exactly what the problem is and thus know exactly what to repair? or was the problem obvious when they removed the cover? Are they just going to ship me a refurbished or brand new unit ? A lot of question unanswered at this point. Hopefully they will let me know.
- Now waiting for them to send me the shipping information via email.

Shipping today!!! Tracking information no yet available on UPS website. I hope they actually fixed the problem either by actually repair it or replacement. I'm being a little bit skeptical because of the fast turn around time. I will be really pissed if they did just a firmware upgrade
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post #6619 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Really? You couldn't matrix it into anything? Not even 6 ch stereo??
I had to go research it too since you said it's only available in stereo. Sure enough, that's the best sound offered. Hey, at least they upgraded it to anamorphic, eh? Did they not have dolby surround in '82? I don't really know since I was only 8 yrs old then .

Yea, you can do "All Channel Stereo" alll day until the cows come home. However, you can not do/get that ".1" channel to show up. Maybe cause I turned off "Double Bass" on the 805, THX recommendation.

Audio wasn't anything jumping for joy over, but the upscaling of the DVD was awesome.
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post #6620 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

At least they didn't threaten you with the ol' soap party while you're sleeping routine. I can hear our wives now, "Would you quit monkeying around with that DVD player!"

I will try to see what the deal is on that tonite for ya, buddy!


That is funny..... Your wife seems to be at least somewhat patient with this whole HD thing.... Mine threatened to throw an apple she was eating at my new Pioneer Kuro 6010 if I continued with my case study of one of the disks I had in at the time.
Imagine the horror, the horror I say!!!

Paul
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post #6621 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Look on the 805 display. Guess what you are getting if you're bitstreaming codecs to it and it says "Dolby TrueHD" or "Stereo". Also a good quick check is look at how many speakers light up. This is a dead give away as whether you're getting 2.0 stereo or 5.1 surrounds.

If you're questioning whether it's 5.1 TrueHD or 5.1 DD, then it gets a little bit complicated than the suggestion above. Also, there's something "tricky" the way that HD DVD players internally decode TrueHD. They are only required to decode 2 channels (stereo) Lf/Rf streams for TrueHD codecs. Also looking at some of the product discriptions for the newer BD players, decoding of TrueHD is highlighted as "2 channel" only. Like the below quote from BadBuys on the 1500. Maybe it's a misprint, maybe it's not?

Barney, if you use analog you get no reading on the screen. This bypasses the internal "stuff" of your receiver and just takes the sound from the DVD player straight to the speakers (so to speak). My Denon just says "Ext. In" when using anaolg inputs. So we can't use your suggestion to look at the receiver and see how many speakers light up or what codec it says. It doesn't KNOW what the codec is. It is a codec the receiver can't do internally.
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post #6622 of 12876
5/1/08 at 1:57pm
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Shipping today!!! Tracking information no yet available on UPS website. I hope they actually fixed the problem either by actually repair it or replacement. I'm being a little bit skeptical because of the fast turn around time. I will be really pissed if they did just a firmware upgrade

SS Rep: Here, 89 bux for the 1.7 FW update.
rveras: Thank you Sir, may I have another.


Nahh , I didn't mean to put paranoia into you, but you should be in good shape. Now that you actually have some kindof relationship with SS repair center, can you ask them if and when the 1400 is going be profile 1.1 compliant?
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5/1/08 at 2:02pm
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Barney, if you use analog you get no reading on the screen. This bypasses the internal "stuff" of your receiver and just takes the sound from the DVD player straight to the speakers (so to speak). My Denon just says "Ext. In" when using anaolg inputs. So we can't use your suggestion to look at the receiver and see how many speakers light up or what codec it says. It doesn't KNOW what the codec is. It is a codec the receiver can't do internally.

granted. what I tried to emphasize was "bitstream". Tho, the number of speakers that light up should still work if you are using analog, digital PCM, or digital codecs.
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5/1/08 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

SS Rep: Here's 89 bux for the 1.7 FW update.
rveras: Thank you Sir, may I have another.


Nahh , I didn't mean to put paranoia into you, but you should be in good shape. Now that you actually have some kindof relationship with SS repair center, can you ask them if and when the 1400 is going be profile 1.1 compliant?

I can believe you still waiting for it It will never happen specially with the release date of the 1500 approaching. By the way I wouldn't be surprised if the 1500 is re bagged 1400. I guess we have to wait and see.
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post #6625 of 12876
5/1/08 at 2:10pm
Barney's delusional?
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5/1/08 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Barney's delusional?

I called they do have an update for the BD-P1400 to make it profile 1.1 complaint. It cost $399.99. They will send a disc with the firmware and a BD-P1500 cover but you have to do the assembly your self
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5/1/08 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by cdnewmanpac View Post

I never did 1.6. Went from 1.5 to 1.7. I've now verified this with BD version of Digital Video Essentials, Immortal Beloved, 5th Element and Spiderman 3. When Digital Out is set to "PCM" in the 1400 audio menu, I get 2.0 output from every TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack I've tried. When I choose "Bitstream", I get 5.1. I do know I played several TrueHD soundtracks on fw 1.5 and didn't have this problem. I also played many TrueHD soundtracks with my original (pre DTS-MA) firmware and never had this problem.

If there wasn't a workaround, I'd try going back to 1.5. But since changing to "bitstream" fixed the issue, I'll leave it alone. Weird that the only person to try hasn't been able to verify this problem.

I just played Ghost Rider, which has both Dolby TrueHD & LPCM audio and they both sounded the same during my two minute test. I just wanted to make sure that I did not get 2.0 with TrueHD; all speakers were firing. Ghost Rider is the only Blu-ray disk I have in the house with TrueHD so I cannot check any other movie. I am using the P1400's analog 5.1 ouput with firmware 1.7.
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5/1/08 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Barney_DaPurple1 View Post

Barney's delusional?

IT's like that 40 yr old guy still playin gigs in a bar band for $40 a show, and still waiting for that record deal. Give it up man... pipe dream.
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post #6629 of 12876
5/1/08 at 3:32pm
40? virgin, wedding singer, or the walk hard guy?

Maybe SS will have a heart and follow the rest of CE stores HD DVD apologists and gives us credit for trading our 1400 to get a 1500? maybe not... Mahhahahaha!

Tho, once had a dream when all the movie studios were offering to buy back all HD DVD's for an even exchange of the BD version.... Delusional, big time!
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5/1/08 at 7:49pm
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Shipping today!!! Tracking information no yet available on UPS website. I hope they actually fixed the problem either by actually repair it or replacement. I'm being a little bit skeptical because of the fast turn around time. I will be really pissed if they did just a firmware upgrade

Hey Rveras, good news on the turnaround. I would assume that you will be receiving a refurbished unit. I wouldn't worry to much about the quick turnaround time. They probably have a bunch of refurbs sitting around waiting to go so that the turnaround time doesn't tick off the warranty customers any more then they already are. That way they can fix the broken ones at their leisure. At least this is how Microsoft handled my 360 RROD.

Now, hopefully I'll see mine back as fast as you'll be seeing yours!
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