Samsung BDP1400 Disussion Thread - Page 243

Y'all do know that supporting 24fps doesn't do any good unless you have a 120hz set right?

xnappo

that's not true.

Agreed, I myself don't really blame the ambitious nature of the format... my wife and kids do. Still, there are many advanced features that many players don't support at all, or support with occasional glitches. Then players needing firmware upgrades to take advantage of more recent BD authoring techniques. So there is at least some back and forth between software and hardware currently. Perception of my wife and kids is it's the whole format; no matter if it is new discs upsetting the player, or a sensitive player just coughing under certain circumstances. We get through movies without any failure 1 out of 3 or 4 times. That's the way they expect_it_all_the_time.

Certainly there will be a day when all BD players and discs will be handled nearly flawlessly, but not as of today. If I remember correctly, when the CD player/discs came out in the early 1980's, the DA technology of the time was only capable of approximately 14 bit resolution even though the Red Book standard calls for 16 bit. While DAC technology fairly quickly evolved (to nearly flawless 16 bit performance in good designs) and was even expanded upon for other formats (up to 192kHz and 24bit converters with aprroximately 21 bit real world performance), there were essentially no complications with playback for J6P form the debut of the CD. (Well, barring the fact that it appeared that initially nobody had a handle on how to properly master a good sounding CD after years of perfecting their craft for vinyl.)

I can't help but wonder that if CD players needed constant updating and glitched as much as as my BD player (not either of my HD-DVD players, though!) does that they would tell all their friends to forget the convenience of the new format and stick with their Garrard (or whatever) turntable and 12" records because at least it works. OTOH, was adding a penny to the tonearm headshell of the cheap TT's the analog of a firmware update?

Yes but it doesn't nessary needs to be 120Hz. Pioneer uses 72Hz, Panasonic uses 96Hz on their Pro line and 48Hz on their new 800 series. Basically the idea is to avoid the 3:2 pull down, so any TV that can take or detect 24 fps and display the image by increasing the frame rate by multiples of 24 is a good thing. Supposedly doing this reduces judder.

bingo! my Sony SXRD 60" Rear Projection HDTV does not accept multiple of 24 hz signals. Barney would love to be able to turn it on. Can't complain tho, 1080p/30 fps looks good me.

My HD-A2 (bedroom duty) has always been flawless, but I updated it everytime to prevent any potential issues that never materialzed. My XA2 is just more and better of the A2 with HD audio bitstreaming. It came with 2.5 and I upgraded to 2.7 and it has always been stellar.

My 1400 glitches sometimes. An S1 and your PS3 don't. Then again, I always wonder if my issues are because I bitstream dts-HD Master audio or Dolby TrueHD to my Onk 605 or (now) 663 AVR? If dropping to DD+ (or DD) or dts-HR (or dts core) eliminates the glitches, then maybe I have solved one problem and created another... not being able to keep my lossless Hi-Rez audio in digital format until it is processed in the pre-pro/AVR. It is why I purchased the components that I have.

Blu-ray player profiles explained in detail avsforum thread

It is true, with the correction reveras made above. Many many sets accept 24hz but do not avoid 3:2 pulldown(locked to 60Hz). For these sets (the majority until this year) there is no advantage. The only time there would be is if the player's 3:2 pulldown was bad - which in the case of this player it is not.

xnappo

Sounds like you have the same luck as myself. BTW, if audio and/or video drops out for even 1 second only one time during the movie (eliciting a loud Awwwww maaaannnn! from the kids), then I consider it a failed viewing experience.

I don't feel there is any indiciation yet that I have a broken player, just glitches of an evolving and not yet ready for prime time optical format. I'll just keep updating as often as necessary until forced to get a new (read different) player. Pulling out the wallet next time will be a lot more difficult because of this experience, most certainly.

I think these are brilliant points. I certainly hope these glitches and kinks are worked out soon. The majority of the public, IMHO, will not put up with constant updates just to play a movie. Blu-ray better get their stuff together or they will never be able to compete with standard dvd's! But I sure do love the high def experience!

nuffs said. Go to the Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate thread and see if your TV accept true 1080p/24 hz or fps signals or multiple of such rate. If your TV stills accept 1080i or p/24 fps anyway and not on that list, then some de-interlacing and pulldowns are being adjusted to your display. Period!

120 hz aint got nunning to do with multiple 24 hz signals. 2nd period!

120hz ONLY is not true. what he listed is. i just didn't feel like typing all that out.

LOL, my stoutly built XA2 proudly supports this beautiful POS, in all of it's glory!

Man, I feel your pain! I ended up trading my 1400 for a Panasonic. I have only played 2 titles on the Panasonic and one pixeled a little at one point but the other title did not have any problem. So my fingers are crossed. I had a disc that would freeze up and drop out for most of the 1st chapter with the last 1400. I took the same disc into the dealer and their 1400 played it perfectly. Then I took the same disc home and checked it again in my (2nd) player and it skipped and froze up again. The worst is looking over at your wife when it starts to have a hickup! Anyway, I'm not sure what the problem was with my 1400 but after the second player had a problem, I bailed. Like I've said before, I'm sure plenty of people have had successful experiences but I did not.

K - we are in agreement

xnappo

Well, there is an exception to every rule... and I AM that exception.

I bought my 1400 from Amazon new on 12/30/07 and it too came with the colorful, triangular advertizing billboard stuck on her in her original box. Didn't help me out any.

Alright Barney!! another happy(?) LCoS owner-JVC xxxxFN97 in my case since I'm a cheap bastage

and yeah 1080p from the 1400 does look sweet!!!

blleeehaack sheep

Imma glad you said LCoS instead of DLP . Those woulda been fightn words!

and btw, I can say it looks waaay better than the actual movie theater!

and by no means was it cheap. Early adoption is killin me... and the wife have no reserves telling me... reminding me.

Me either

Here's the rub. I don't beleive the firmware uddate Onkyo checks for on the 605 is for the dts-MA 'bombb' issue but the ability to decode MA and TrueHD in the first place from a bitstream. The DSP update is separate and is necessary. updating DSP cured my 605 audio, but then the HDMI video output went belly up (not related I'm sure, just bad luck).

Yes, you need an optical player that outputs CD in redbook (44.1 khZ and 16 bit) standard without fancy pants finagling. I used my Marantz CD-67 SE and TosLink (optical S/PDIF) to OPT1 mapped to CD on 605. Update was smooth and easy. You should do it and even let the folks here help if you need it.

I cured mine before it could destroy my B&W or Joseph Audio speakers. I've heard reports that the 'bombb' can cause loudspeaker failure. This could be due to the outputs being destroyed in some fashion and unwanted output being sent: whether its DC, full power clipped waveform, Tony Romo singing "Take me out to the Ballgame" in the 7th at Wrigley Field... whatever.

I'd do it, and did.

I used the 1400 to update the DSPs on my 805. Used Nero to burn it. Went off without a hitch.

Ok, one more name has been added to ticket number 2004727950.

Like someone mentioned quite a few pages back, Sammy just released an upgrade to the 1400 to bring it to profile 1.1 & 2.0 ready, it's called the BD-P1500

Larry

Hey guys, I haven't had time to keep up with the thread lately, so please humor me. Did FW 1.7 cause the return of the 24p stutter? I watched The Lives of Others last night and noticed the stutter about every 30 seconds or so when there was enough movement on screen, I have not seen this glitch since it was fixed a few versions back.

I don't use 1080/24, but I have heard no mention of it here (problems) since I bought my 1400 a few months ago.

Ok guys and gals, someone just told me the Samsung folks were playing hard ball and being rude. So I called the 1-800-samsung number. She tried to get fresh with the Barn too! Well, the end of the conversation went something like this, "On the customer complaint form, you write down this. Samsung Customer Care is useless. You are useless. The 1400 is useless. So rename you damn department to ..." Well you get the picture. What burns me up is they were yelling at the guy who gave them the ticket number. I was waiting for him or her to try that on me.

Having a chance to cool off, I have a game plan change. See next post!

next post please

So my first call to 1-800 SamsungDon'tCare didn't go well. I could not get a definitive answer on the progress of the ticket. I don't think the Customer Care Agent (morons) is the most effective person to talk to. I think the ticket is dumped down the toilet on their last break. A couple of contacts with Samsung led me to the below link, actually next post. It is a form that requires the model and serial number of your 1400. Then you can choose the issue you're experiencing and write them. So I did. Guess what I got back?


that's hilarious. So I'm on a wild goose chase... But wait, the saga continues on the next post.

next post please

Since the momentum is still on our side , cause they were telling me a LOT of folks called on the same ticket , here is the game plan change.

Go to the link below. Input all your info (model and serial number, ect). For the question field, select "Manual, Driver, SW Request". Note there are 3 models, BD-P1400, BD-P1400C, BD-P1400N. I just chose BD-P1400.

Subject should read, BD-P1400 Pause and Stop Problem.

Since y'all are so creatively challenged and cras, Barney has included a template for you to include in the body of the form.



if you don't have your serial number, PM me.

What happens next? see next post

http://ars.samsung.com/customer/form...=1&PROD_ID=788