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post #301 of 4166
10/22/07 at 1:54pm
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Hi Ken,

I tried the new Yamaha 3800 over the weekend but the video side let it down to the Onkyo 905 - The Reon wins hands down - so I took it back this morning

Any news yet on the 785 arriving over here?

It has been reported that the Reon changes the video levels even in bypass mode. Also I'm positive that the Reon processor in the XA2 and XE1 causes video timing issues. I wouln't touch another Reon based product with a barge pole!
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post #302 of 4166
10/22/07 at 3:08pm
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I tried the new Yamaha 3800 over the weekend but the video side let it down to the Onkyo 905 - The Reon wins hands down

what did you think of the audio on the Yamaha?
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post #303 of 4166
10/22/07 at 10:28pm
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It has been reported that the Reon changes the video levels even in bypass mode. Also I'm positive that the Reon processor in the XA2 and XE1 causes video timing issues. I wouln't touch another Reon based product with a barge pole!

I agree. NAD has it right -- keep this processing out of the receiver.
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post #304 of 4166
10/23/07 at 4:30am
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I totally agree to keep the processing out of the revceiver. I have not seen the problems with the XA2 that Jeff is reporting. I get excellent SD playback on my XA2.
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post #305 of 4166
10/23/07 at 2:49pm
Aaargh! Dont know if I can wait that long - I have reconnected my A2 and fallen in love again with the sound! I am now looking to sell my XE1 hd dvd player to get a Sony dvd recorder with integrated freeview and hdmi to enable me to get a tv picture up to my pearl. If I am successful I will have hd video to pearl via ps3, normal video via the sony and will stick with non hd audio connected to the A2 via optical. I am just hoping I dont get any lip sync issues but so far so good with the blu ray and dvd discs tried through the PS3. It might be all changed again tomorrow.

P.S. Chris is having problems with the 905 he got from me - he rang today to say it had developed a fault on the video output - he could not get a picture - just a purple screen!
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post #306 of 4166
10/23/07 at 5:38pm
I looked through the manual of the T775 but couldn't find an answer to this...hopefully those with the unit can help.

Do you have the ability to watch one (HDMI) source and listen to another on the fly? For example during casual sports events I often throw on a CD or listen to XM. I believe I could setup another source with the video of one and audio of another based on the manual, but is there some type of "video select" for those familiar with Denon receivers?
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post #307 of 4166
10/24/07 at 5:00am
While I wait for NAD to correct the problem with the 775 I have been researching other brands such as Integra and Onkyo. I have not heard either of these units. What could you tell me would be some of the reasons for still going with the NAD 775 vs maybe the flagship unit from either of these other two. I know NAD is known for its sound quality but what might these other units be like. They both have all the features of the NAD plus more.
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post #308 of 4166
10/24/07 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by raffiafinati View Post

While I wait for NAD to correct the problem with the 775 I have been researching other brands such as Integra and Onkyo. I have not heard either of these units. What could you tell me would be some of the reasons for still going with the NAD 775 vs maybe the flagship unit from either of these other two. I know NAD is known for its sound quality but what might these other units be like. They both have all the features of the NAD plus more.

I listened to units from the Onkyo/Integra brand and found the performance of the T775 to be much better. Many of the features included in the Onkyo/Integra are superfluous in my opinion. To me, after the novelty of these features wears off, what really counts is the sound quality, and I think that's where the T775 beats these units. Frankly, comparing the amplifier in the NAD to the amplifier in the Onkyo/Integra isn't fair--the NAD is that much better. The build quality of the NAD is also superior to the onkyo/integra in my opinion, and the NAD implementation of audyssey is much better.
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post #309 of 4166
10/24/07 at 9:15am
Trust me, NAD's Audyssey curve is by far *the* thing that makes it a no brainer. But they're also much easier to use and setup than the typical Onkyo or Denon. Really great interface.

There's a lot of feedback from installers on this one. When I went to CEDIA, the guy was demoing it for me realized who I was and proceeded to show me some of my actual ideas that had made it into the unit with a big smile on his face. The ability to shut off inputs or "build your own", the main page that allows you to see all the input settings, a lot of that just comes from dealer feedback. That's the difference between an North American company and an Asian company. Just try to tell Onkyo or Denon what they should do. A lot of the multi-zone and menu features come from a multi-zone receiver concept I had tossed around with Greg several years ago (and I'm sure other dealers had input as well, I'm just more vocal about it than most as Greg would probably attest). Rather than building that, they incorporated a lot of my wish list into these units, so I'm really excited about that. Not trying to claim too much credit here, I'm just saying that this is the kind of cool product that happens when companies listen to their customers.
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post #310 of 4166
10/24/07 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

Trust me, NAD's Audyssey curve is by far *the* thing that makes it a no brainer. But they're also much easier to use and setup than the typical Onkyo or Denon. Really great interface.

There's a lot of feedback from installers on this one. When I went to CEDIA, the guy was demoing it for me realized who I was and proceeded to show me some of my actual ideas that had made it into the unit with a big smile on his face. The ability to shut off inputs or "build your own", the main page that allows you to see all the input settings, a lot of that just comes from dealer feedback. That's the difference between an North American company and an Asian company. Just try to tell Onkyo or Denon what they should do. A lot of the multi-zone and menu features come from a multi-zone receiver concept I had tossed around with Greg several years ago (and I'm sure other dealers had input as well, I'm just more vocal about it than most as Greg would probably attest). Rather than building that, they incorporated a lot of my wish list into these units, so I'm really excited about that. Not trying to claim too much credit here, I'm just saying that this is the kind of cool product that happens when companies listen to their customers.

Spot on John, and congrats on having some of your ideas implemented on what should be a great product

Ken
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post #311 of 4166
10/24/07 at 4:16pm
Picked up my T775 the other day, but haven't had a chance to hook it up yet. Hopefully will have everything in and hooked up within a couple of weeks and will report back.
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post #312 of 4166
10/25/07 at 8:02pm
My local hifi dealer carries both NAD and Rotel. The only NAD products they stock are 2 channel amps and rcvr's. They are more than happy to order me a T775 but not for stock, in other words I order it I buy it!

However the Rotel RSX-1058/1057 are on the shelf. Anyone on this forum have any experience with the Rotel rcvr's sound compared to NAD.

I demoed the Denon avr-2808 in my house this past week and it was OK.
The Rotel rsx-1057 will take residents here this weekend so that will be an interesting comparison.

My front speakers are the large Paradigm studio 100 v2 and a Boston vr12 centre so a bit of muscle is needed to keep them happy.

thanks Gary
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post #313 of 4166
10/25/07 at 8:11pm
Probably based on personal preference. NAD is usually just a tad warmer sounding to my ears than Rotel and maybe he just prefers Rotel. But to not carry the new NAD surround receivers is just rediculous, especially with the Audyssey and modularity and all that. Besides, more people know NAD.
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post #314 of 4166
10/25/07 at 9:00pm
Let's get a user review of the NAD T775...
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post #315 of 4166
10/25/07 at 10:18pm
Well, I just received my new NAD M25 today. It is replacing my B&K 7250 amp. Watched 2 movies, and listened to a couple CD's, my first impression is that the NAD appears to be slightly more detailed. The amp is georgous and is a real beast.

I am considering replacing my B&K REF50 with a NAD processor. My question is: NAD T175 or stay with the Master Series and go M15? I am running 7.1, and enjoy BluRay via my PS3 on my Samsung 1080P LCD. I have read some good things about the M15's sound quality, but it does not appear to have the HDMI features, where the T175 looks like it will have all the new technology. Any thoughts, pro/con on the two? Thanks.
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post #316 of 4166
10/25/07 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by Acaps707 View Post

NAD T175 or stay with the Master Series and go M15?

if it were me I would probably go with the new T175. The M15 is very good sonically, however, is limited on the HDMI processing side. It support no HDMI audio, only video pass-thru.

Actually I'm very close to getting an M25 to go with the T175. I'm using three NAD C272's (150W X 2 each) currently, which I like very much, but would be nice to have one (smaller) slightly more refined-sounding package.
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post #317 of 4166
10/25/07 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

Probably based on personal preference. NAD is usually just a tad warmer sounding to my ears than Rotel and maybe he just prefers Rotel. But to not carry the new NAD surround receivers is just rediculous, especially with the Audyssey and modularity and all that. Besides, more people know NAD.

Well, one of the reasons according to my dealer is a history of reliability issues with NAD receivers along with Arcam. Any feedback on that claim?

However, I still enjoy listening to my ancient smooth sounding NAD 7020
2 channel rcvr. This is why T775 is on my very short list!
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post #318 of 4166
10/25/07 at 11:08pm
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Originally Posted by yagimax View Post

Well, one of the reasons according to my dealer is a history of reliability issues with NAD receivers along with Arcam. Any feedback on that claim?

Yeah, NAD has had worse than normal issues with the xx2 and xx3 models, mainly the control circuit board being flaky. HOWEVER, they've worked very hard to fix the issues and they've also taken care of my customers above and beyond the call of duty. And the main reason for the "all new" xx5 series is to make a more reliable platform. It's truly an all new design, ground up, with entirely new partners involved. So far, the new models have been perfect. Not to say there won't be problems but I have very good feelings about these.
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post #319 of 4166
10/26/07 at 12:48am
John, thanks for the info on the issues with the xx2/xx3 models in the past.
I feel confident that this new lineup will make more dealers stock the xx5 series once the reviews start coming in.
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post #320 of 4166
10/26/07 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by yagimax View Post

My local hifi dealer carries both NAD and Rotel. The only NAD products they stock are 2 channel amps and rcvr's. They are more than happy to order me a T775 but not for stock, in other words I order it I buy it!

However the Rotel RSX-1058/1057 are on the shelf. Anyone on this forum have any experience with the Rotel rcvr's sound compared to NAD.

I demoed the Denon avr-2808 in my house this past week and it was OK.
The Rotel rsx-1057 will take residents here this weekend so that will be an interesting comparison.

My front speakers are the large Paradigm studio 100 v2 and a Boston vr12 centre so a bit of muscle is needed to keep them happy.

thanks Gary

I own the RSX 1057 and love the sound. Personally I go back and forth whether I even want to change to a different receiver just for HDMI audio because I am so happy with it. There is little to no information from owners on the net for the new 1058. No one has really stepped up and given an in dept evaluation of all the capabilities. One thing that bothers me is they have included a DCDi scaler. As with many receivers with scalers there is no way to defeat it. The only way around it I believe is to feed it a 1080p signal. There have been more reports on the RSP-1069 which is suppose to be the same thing minus the amps. People are saying it is clipping blacks on all resolution except 1080p. Rotel could fix this with a firmware I believe.

I really wish Rotel had stayed out of the video business like NAD is doing. I would say most people who buy Rotel or NAD probably already have high end scalers either in the players, in the display itself or even a full separate unit and don't need some dinky scaler in th receiver/processor messing things up.
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post #321 of 4166
10/26/07 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

Yeah, NAD has had worse than normal issues with the xx2 and xx3 models, mainly the control circuit board being flaky. HOWEVER, they've worked very hard to fix the issues and they've also taken care of my customers above and beyond the call of duty. And the main reason for the "all new" xx5 series is to make a more reliable platform. It's truly an all new design, ground up, with entirely new partners involved. So far, the new models have been perfect. Not to say there won't be problems but I have very good feelings about these.

I have a T775 and let me just say that I have been very, very pleased with the receiver itself, as well as how I have been treated by NAD and my dealer. I am confident you will be pleased with the T775.
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post #322 of 4166
10/26/07 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by jnc1 View Post

I have a T775 and let me just say that I have been very, very pleased with the receiver itself, as well as how I have been treated by NAD and my dealer. I am confident you will be pleased with the T775.

Hi mate,

Any new info on the hdmi/pcm fix in regards to your 775?

Ken
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post #323 of 4166
10/26/07 at 7:24pm
I called a few dealers which have a t775 in stock.Didn't ask for a build date in response to the lpcm issue. I'm reluctant to order a non upgraded version.

Also off topic, what is a good platform to play standard def dvd's?
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post #324 of 4166
10/26/07 at 11:58pm
"Also off topic, what is a good platform to play standard def dvd's?"

Toshiba XA2 HD DVD player does a great job upconverting. The average DVD is closer in PQ to the average HD DVD than the latter is to the best HD DVD's.
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post #325 of 4166
10/27/07 at 11:59am
In the T175 thread there is an email from NAD saying that unit and the T975 are now delayed to the end of December. For my own purposes, this may be getting close to the release date on the new B&K units, which were the only ones I considered other than NAD, and eliminated because of the long wait time for there release. (Which may still be the case; B&Ks may not be released till March, but at this point, that may be the NADs actual release date.)
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post #326 of 4166
10/27/07 at 2:06pm
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In the T175 thread there is an email from NAD saying that unit and the T975 are now delayed to the end of December. For my own purposes, this may be getting close to the release date on the new B&K units, which were the only ones I considered other than NAD, and eliminated because of the long wait time for there release. (Which may still be the case; B&Ks may not be released till March, but at this point, that may be the NADs actual release date.)

I thought you ordered T785

Ken
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post #327 of 4166
10/27/07 at 2:59pm
You're right. I ordered the T785. My mind must be going. 975...875
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post #328 of 4166
10/27/07 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

You're right. I ordered the T785. My mind must be going. 975...875

yeah, can't say whether the T785 is affected by the delay as well. You may want to submit a request/inquiry directly to NAD's "help" support.
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post #329 of 4166
10/27/07 at 4:55pm
I'm willing to bet yes. This is almost certainly an HDMI 1.3a thing. Waiting on parts suppliers. One nice thing is, once you have the unit, you should be able to get cards as needed. Too bad they can't ship these without the HDMI card!
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post #330 of 4166
10/28/07 at 12:16am
"In the T175 thread there is an email from NAD saying that unit and the T975 are now delayed to the end of December. For my own purposes, this may be getting close to the release date on the new B&K units, which were the only ones I considered other than NAD, and eliminated because of the long wait time for there release. (Which may still be the case; B&Ks may not be released till March, but at this point, that may be the NADs actual release date.)"

By then the Sherwood Newcastle w/Trinnov room correction is supposed to be out as well.
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